i5-7500 vs Ryzen 2400G

[Noyu]

Yooo. So as I'm still waiting on my GPU RMA (it's been a month now) I'm contemplating to switch to a 2400G just to improve my gaming performance.

 

In terms of CPU-only power, is this a downgrade from my i5-7500? Or more of a sidegrade?

 

[1234vietnam]

sidegrade, 2400g will be slightly faster for multi core workloads if you overclock it.

[Noyu]

 

1 minute ago, Prqnk3d said:

sidegrade, 2400g will be slightly faster for multi core workloads if you overclock it.

that's all i needed to hear. thanks.

really having a hard time playing games on the Intel HD630 ahaha

[genexis_x]

If you mostly play games then 2200G would be a better value

[Noyu]

2 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

If you mostly play games then 2200G would be a better value

care to explain?

anyways I don't ONLY play games, so the 2400G is a safe bet.

[genexis_x]

1 minute ago, Noyu said:

care to explain?

anyways I don't ONLY play games, so the 2400G is a safe bet.

Graphic performance don't differ much between 2200G and 2400G and 4 cores without SMT is still capable in playing most games. 2400G is a bit expensive IMO and not worth it, 2200G offers better value. However, if you often do CPU intensive tasks, 2400G might be a better choice.

[Noyu]

4 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Graphic performance don't differ much between 2200G and 2400G

oh wow. checked benchmarks after I read this and it seems your right. I'll take it into consideration but I'll still probably go with the 2400G since the budget allows.

I also do some MKV processing so I might be able to use 8T.

 

thanks for the tip tho!

[AngryBeaver]

If you are waiting for a GPU to RMA then there is NO way I would switch over to a 2200 or 2400g. You might get better onboard graphics for the few weeks of RMA turn around, but you will end up with a worse setup once it is back.

 

So despite having a lower turbo frequency... the 7500 is about 5-10% faster in ST tests. It does fall behind in multi-threaded tests by about 15-30% (which is to be expected)  The thing is when it comes to gaming the ST performance will be much more important than the multi-threaded. Also you get full 16x pci-e lanes on the 7500. Also it isn't as easy on a locked chip, but you can use Blck to overclock the 7500. I am pretty confident you can get it to 4ghz a core from blck, which would push your mutli-threaded and single threaded performance past that of the 2400g.

 

Honestly, there is little to no reason to upgrade to a 2400g. Just wait out the RMA.

[Noyu]

8 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

If you are waiting for a GPU to RMA then there is NO way I would switch over to a 2200 or 2400g. You might get better onboard graphics for the few weeks of RMA turn around, but you will end up with a worse setup once it is back.

 

So despite having a lower turbo frequency... the 7500 is about 5-10% faster in ST tests. It does fall behind in multi-threaded tests by about 15-30% (which is to be expected)  The thing is when it comes to gaming the ST performance will be much more important than the multi-threaded. Also you get full 16x pci-e lanes on the 7500. Also it isn't as easy on a locked chip, but you can use Blck to overclock the 7500. I am pretty confident you can get it to 4ghz a core from blck, which would push your mutli-threaded and single threaded performance past that of the 2400g.

 

Honestly, there is little to no reason to upgrade to a 2400g. Just wait out the RMA.

called the RMA dept yesterday and they advised it might be months before they get a replacement for my card.

it is an RX580 after all.

 

so yea, I'm pretty much decided on the Ryzen 2400G. I will also transplant the whole rig to an InWin Chopin.

What I'll do with the RX580 when it comes: I don't know YET ahaha. I might sell it for a profit. I might reserve it for another build. 50:50

 

just to rebut some of your points:

• 8x PCI-E Lanes: this isn't an issue even on a GTX1080,
• overclocking locked Kaby Lakes: BCLK overclocking is disabled on the updated BIOS. I can however overclock the 2400G to maybe close the ST performance gap on the i5-7500.

[AngryBeaver]

13 hours ago, Noyu said:

called the RMA dept yesterday and they advised it might be months before they get a replacement for my card.

it is an RX580 after all.

 

so yea, I'm pretty much decided on the Ryzen 2400G. I will also transplant the whole rig to an InWin Chopin.

What I'll do with the RX580 when it comes: I don't know YET ahaha. I might sell it for a profit. I might reserve it for another build. 50:50

 

just to rebut some of your points:

• 8x PCI-E Lanes: this isn't an issue even on a GTX1080,
• overclocking locked Kaby Lakes: BCLK overclocking is disabled on the updated BIOS. I can however overclock the 2400G to maybe close the ST performance gap on the i5-7500.

8x PCI-E lanes aren't MUCH of an issue. There is still a slight fps loss on high end cards. Remember though that a new generation of cards is about to hit. Cards are going to get faster moving forward not slower so today's xx80 might be tomorrows xx60.

 

There are ways around this as long as it is only an updated bios limitation. That being said I don't see the 2400g overtaking the 7500 in ST even when overclocked.

 

I can see the appeal, but remember that the 2400g is only pushing 1030 performance. That means you could grab a old 660 gtx and get similar or even better performance. 750Ti would be faster. My point here is you can easily come up with a cheaper and more performance oriented option. You can pick up a 770-780 off craigslists most days for 50-100 bucks. You can get a 970 for around 150. Lastly, for 70-75 bucks you can get a brand new 1030.. with identical to slightly better performance to that of the 2400g.

 

Chances are you have cheaper options for what you are trying to accomplish. Heck you could pick up a 6600k/7600k and a 1030 and win in all areas. This would be about on par for what you are going to spend now... just sell your old 7500 off and drop in a 7600k.

 

Looking at ebay I can see there is about a $50 difference between the 7500 and 7600k. Then you are looking at another 75 for the 1030. That puts you at $125 total for a gpu equal to the 2400g and a cpu that will stomp all over it in all areas.

 

A 2400g is $170 at microcenter and a motherboard for it will be another 60 at the cheap end. That puts you at $230 total (assuming you have a microcenter which has the best cpu/motherboard prices you will find 99% of the time)

 

So overall you would eventually be able to recoup most of your cost with the 2400g, but you will be out of pocket more initially. Honestly, I would just spend a week on craigslist and ebay trying to secure a great deal on a 6600k/6700k/7600k. I am sure you can get one for 150ish if you keep an eye out. Then you will pretty much break even after selling your CPU... this just leaves you being out of pocket the $75 for a 1030... or you can pick up a used 660ti for 45-50 ish and get even better performance.

 

I guess my point in the end is you are on the better platform already. You just need a GPU and if you want the ability to overclock you can almost break even by getting a 7600k and selling your 7500. 

[Noyu]

1 hour ago, AngryBeaver said:

I guess my point in the end is you are on the better platform already. You just need a GPU and if you want the ability to overclock you can almost break even by getting a 7600k and selling your 7500. 

You need to note that I'm in a different country. We don't have Ebay and Craiglist here.

And the secondhand market here is pretty bad..

 

However, I do have a takeaway from your whole reply: just add a 1030. Instead of doing a platform overhaul to get 1030 performance.

Which I think is a really nice option since it will PROBABLY be cheaper, and will perform better vs a 2400G. Thanks mate. I'll consider it.

 

Sadly I've already spent hours of research and calling retailers for the 2400G build. I've also already made commitments on selling the Kaby Lake.

I've decided to just go with the 2400G Chopin build, then MAYBE build a new rig later based on Coffee (when the RX580 arrives).