Gun Control - Explanation

[KhandakeF]

Can someone explain gun control and why people are against it?

 

I don't see how anyone who is a law-abiding, moral citizen would be affected in any way by gun control laws, but then again, I haven't read up on it at all so am I missing something?

[Drak3]

Gun control is a range of laws that can be as simple as background checks to purchase firearms (or components/accessories legally recognized as firearms, such as lower receivers and suppressors in the US), to outright disarming citizens.

 

And when it comes down to it, heavier gun control laws only work if:

Police response times are uniformly fast

Police forces are prevalent in reaction to crime

 

And optionally:

Either your population is disarmed as a cultural norm, like Japan

Or your police force acts with extreme prejudice against gun owners

 

 

However, in the US, only the last of those things is true. Heavier gun control laws basically equates to higher crime rates here, especially when you give consideration to the prevalence of gang crime, piss poor attitude to mental health care, and the state of educational opportunities in some communities.

 

[Canada EH]

28 minutes ago, KhandakeF said:

Can someone explain gun control and why people are against it?

 

I don't see how anyone who is a law-abiding, moral citizen would be affected in any way by gun control laws, but then again, I haven't read up on it at all so am I missing something?

Australia or NZ had it where their citizens got rid of like millions of guns and their gun crime plummetted.

The UK where the pigs dont even carry guns, have very little gun crime.

In Canada there is gun crime, but its all the drug dealers and users so who cares about them.

 

In the USA its about their amendment rights to carry a automatic gun with a clip of 100 for home/family protection and hunting. Where the 12 amendments were declared in the 1800's when it took 5 minutes to load one bullet.

 

Then there is the lobby organization the NRA which holds a lot of power.

 

No one cares about the mass murders going on in the USA, because it always happens, its NOISE NEWS, so no one cares. The politicians are too scared to lose votes, so murders keep happening. The rest of the world laughs.

[kasugatei]

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Let's be honest, easily available guns and ammo are not the source of problem when people go on rampage with rifles, video games are.

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[MadModder]

43 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

Australia or NZ had it where their citizens got rid of like millions of guns and their gun crime plummetted.

The UK where the pigs dont even carry guns, have very little gun crime.

In Canada there is gun crime, but its all the drug dealers and users so who cares about them.

 

In the USA its about their amendment rights to carry a automatic gun with a clip of 100 for home/family protection and hunting. Where the 12 amendments were declared in the 1800's when it took 5 minutes to load one bullet.

 

Then there is the lobby organization the NRA which holds a lot of power.

 

No one cares about the mass murders going on in the USA, because it always happens, its NOISE NEWS, so no one cares. The politicians are too scared to lose votes, so murders keep happening. The rest of the world laughs.

You're a bit fuzzy on your facts. The 2nd Amendment (the right to keep, and bear arms) was enacted on Dec. 15th, 1791, not in the 1800's. It had absolutely nothing to do with "sporting" usage. It had to do with self-defense, and defense of the state (militias). It was influenced by the British Bill of Rights which became common law in 1689.

The Supreme Court ruled that this right was not immune from regulation.

I would think, as a Canadian (based solely on your name), that you would be aware of the fact that Canada has more gun ownership per capita than the USA, and yet a fraction of the deaths from guns. Here in the US, a large part of the problem is the society we have created. We need stronger regulations, but to attempt to completely disarm the public, this late in the game, would result in a civil war, or revolution.

The politicians (mostly on the right) are heavily lobbied, and financed by the NRA. Trump received 50 million in campaign contributions from them. No current politician is going to turn down that kind of money just because we (the peasants) are being slaughtered. Their kids go to private schools, and live in gated communities with armed guards. It's going to take a great effort on the part of the citizens to overcome these obstacles, and force reasonable regulation on the sale, and transfer of guns. Guns are power, and people like to feel empowered. I fear nothing will be done about this, and if anything is done it will take a very long time. Wish us luck, we need it.  

[IvIast3r]

31 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

 

In the USA its about their amendment rights to carry a automatic gun with a clip of 100 for home/family protection and hunting. Where the 12 amendments were declared in the 1800's when it took 5 minutes to load one bullet.

 

no new automatic firearms can be made or purchased (imported) since 1968

this does not prevent grandfathered firearms wich average 10k to 15k usd not to mention the associated taxes.

there is a loophole to this but it requires you either be a museum or a gun dealer with your SOT, FFL licenses at which you then can import or repair a "full auto gun" at a very hefty tax and expense

 

this is just a generalization and is nowhere near as complicated as it is to get a new generation full auto weapon.

 

the gun control issues stems from people not understanding guns, guns aren't the problem, people are.

a gun will never kill anyone, the person utilizing it will

and banning guns in such a mass market will not work because there are millions of weapons on the "black market"

people don't follow the rules and honestly i could go on for days on why gun control will not work but i instead would rather see real solutions, such as teachers that are willing to carry and better equipped schools and officers.

 

you never see anyone rob gun stores do you?

 

but some aspects of gun control are good, for example  the Gun Control Act (P.L. 90-618), a provision of which [18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3)], this basically bans full auto guns which is a good thing because 90% of gun owners do not know what to do with a full auto gun or what to do if it runs away. let alone most people are shit shots and adding full auto to that is just scary.

 

sorry if this seems like a rant towards you but there is just so much miss information out there.

[AshleyAshes]

At this point the gun control debate in America is pointless.  If Sandy Hook wasn't enough to change things in America and shootings have continued and the frequency and death rate continues to climb.  Seven of the ten deadliest mass shootings in America happened in the last ten years.  Columbine isn't even in the top ten anymore.

 

No meaningful action is ever taken to stem this tide and there is even active resistance to ensure this tide continues.  America needs to give up and just buy it's children body armor and armored helmets.

[IvIast3r]

2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

At this point the gun control debate in America is pointless.  If Sandy Hook wasn't enough to change things in America and shootings have continued and the frequency and death rate continues to climb.  Seven of the ten deadliest mass shootings in America happened in the last ten years.  Columbine isn't even in the top ten anymore.

 

No meaningful action is ever taken to stem this tide and there is even active resistance to ensure this tide continues.  America needs to give up and just buy it's children body armor and armored helmets.

No america doesn't need to just quit, are you going to rely on the police at 3am when someone bashes your front door down? or would you rather grab your shotgun/pistol that you have diligently trained with at the range and protect your family and belongings.

 

no one will protect you but yourself

 

the true issues with gun control is not many people have been around guns and understand them.

[AshleyAshes]

2 minutes ago, IvIast3r said:

No america doesn't need to just quit, are you going to rely on the police at 3am when someone bashes your front door down? or would you rather grab your shotgun/pistol that you have diligently trained with at the range and protect your family and belongings.

 

no one will protect you but yourself

 

the true issues with gun control is not many people have been around guns and understand them.

This 100% sounds like the kind of thinking that comes from a country that see's a continued increase in the mass murder of it's children.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, MadModder said:

Trump received 50 million in campaign contributions from them. No current politician is going to turn down that kind of money just because we (the peasants) are being slaughtered.

Gun crime in the US has been on a stablization since the '90's, which saw a spike in handgun crime, but that's it. Coverage on gun crime has risen.

 

And to be honest, I'm fine with the NRA lobbying. Support it actually, because heavy restriction on guns does not work in the US.

1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said:

This 100% sounds like the kind of thinking that comes from a country that see's a continued increase in the mass murder of it's children.

Death rate due to gun crime is stablizing, after declining from a spike in the 90's. Media coverage is the only thing that continues to increase.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

[Canada EH]

14 minutes ago, MadModder said:

and defense of the state (militias).

LOL

 

actually it was indians

 

LOL

[AshleyAshes]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Gun crime in the US has been on a stablization since the '90's, which saw a spike in handgun crime, but that's it. Coverage on gun crime has risen.

 

And to be honest, I'm fine with the NRA lobbying. Support it actually, because heavy restriction on guns does not work in the US.

Death rate due to gun crime is stablizing, after declining from a spike in the 90's. Media coverage is the only thing that continues to increase.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Cool!  Good news everybody!  Individual gun murders, LIKE ALMOST ALL CRIME STATISTICS IN THE UNITED STATES, have been on a long term decline in the United States, just as it has been in almost all western nations.  That means there's absolutely nothing to worry about with America's 'Mass Murder Of Children and Others' statistics.  Nothing to worry about.  Move along people.  Everything is super.

 

[AlwaysFSX]

Let's conveniently ignore what is considered a "mass shooting," the type of firearm used in the majority of shootings with the intent to harm (hint: handguns), and that the vast majority of deaths under the umbrella for firearms is suicide.

 

Also we don't have a firearm problem, we have some dumb citizens as a problem. Why should my rights be reduced because someone else is an idiot?

[Guest]

Let's not get into this argument as you end up just throwing mud at each other and nothing positive comes of it.