Which PC should I get

[Finnskii]

Hello,

I am trying to decide if I should buy a pre-built or go build one myself. I am very inexperienced with building computers.

prebuilt:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Z270-I5-7600K-Kaby-Lake-Fast-Office-Home-Multimedia-Pc-Computer-1Tb-8Gb-Van-B/372135102310?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

go-build:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yCB48Y

I know there is no graphics card and I am not getting a ryzen either. 

 

[wonderforest]

Dont go with a Z270 at this point... If you'r kind of on a budget look for something with the i5 8400.

[grimreeper132]

what's the budget and what's the purpose???

[xFluing]

1 minute ago, wonderforest said:

Dont go with a Z270 at this point... If you'r kind of on a budget look for something with the i5 8400.

How does that count as budget? It's the latest gen meaning it's the most expensive.

[Finnskii]

4 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

what's the budget and what's the purpose???

My budget is around £550 excluding the GPU. It was meant for gaming but GPUs as everybody knows, are too expensive at the moment.

[wonderforest]

Just now, xFluing said:

How does that count as budget? It's the latest gen meaning it's the most expensive.

The price difference with the z270 7600k will be minimal if any and he will have a 6 core with the possibility to go with a 8700k later.

[grimreeper132]

Just now, Finnskii said:

My budget is around £550. It was meant for gaming but GPUs as everybody knows, are too expensive at the moment.

true but you probably want one to game on, and a 1050ti isn't too bad on pricing or wait for the APUs AMD is about to launch as they might be worth it. Here is what I suggest for the moment

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/y3YRsZ

[xFluing]

2 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

true but you probably want one to game on, and a 1050ti isn't too bad on pricing or wait for the APUs AMD is about to launch as they might be worth it. Here is what I suggest for the moment

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/y3YRsZ

There's a risk factor involved here, but if he can scour the second hand market he could get a 960 or r9 280 for cheaper and with better performance than the 1050 ti

[Herman Mcpootis]

12 minutes ago, Finnskii said:

I know there is no graphics card and I am not getting a ryzen either. 

the 1600 is much better than the i5 7600k, the 4 cores will bottleneck anything past a gtx 1060/rx 580.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£149.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£59.66 @ YoYoTech) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£68.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£69.96 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£33.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Aerocool - QS-240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£29.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (£47.06 @ Ebuyer) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£24.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £483.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-12 12:18 GMT+0000

[grimreeper132]

Just now, xFluing said:

There's a risk factor involved here, but if he can scour the second hand market he could get a 960 or r9 280 for cheaper and with better performance than the 1050 ti

That is true, depends the second hand market from my experience it can be a bit interesting to say the least here on the prices 

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

the 1600 is much better than the i5 7600k, the 4 cores will bottleneck anything past a gtx 1060/rx 580.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£149.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£59.66 @ YoYoTech) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£68.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£69.96 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£33.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Aerocool - QS-240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£29.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 400W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply  (£47.06 @ Ebuyer) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£24.92 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £483.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-12 12:18 GMT+0000

you need a GPU for ryzen as it doesn't have onboard remember 

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

you need a GPU for ryzen as it doesn't have onboard remember 

yeah, though he can just get a used gpu now or a cheap display adaptor to make up for the lack of iGPU.

[Finnskii]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

true but you probably want one to game on, and a 1050ti isn't too bad on pricing or wait for the APUs AMD is about to launch as they might be worth it. Here is what I suggest for the moment

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/y3YRsZ

Thanks! But I already can play games on my laptop for right now. And I have chosen my spec. I just need to know if I should build it or not?

[johnukguy]

That system is really not so well priced. To make it usable, you'd have to add an SSD and a GPU at least. Frankly you would be better off building a Ryzen system and using an APU, which will also allow you to upgrade to the new CPU's coming out in a few weeks and will perform better overall. 

[Finnskii]

23 hours ago, johnukguy said:

That system is really not so well priced. To make it usable, you'd have to add an SSD and a GPU at least. Frankly you would be better off building a Ryzen system and using an APU, which will also allow you to upgrade to the new CPU's coming out in a few weeks and will perform better overall. 

I don't want to get a GPU yet as new ones are rumored to come out in May and right now the prices for the pascal are way too high. Other than that, what other things are not so well priced?

Here is the new list with an SSD:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JpkypG

[Herman Mcpootis]

53 minutes ago, Finnskii said:

I don't want to get a GPU yet as new ones are rumored to come out in May and right now the prices for the pascal are way too high. Other than that, what other things are not so well priced?

Here is the new list with an SSD:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JpkypG

look at the video i linked earlier, the 7600k is worse than the ryzen 1600. if you're so much of a fanboy you can't get an AMD cpu then get the coffee lake i5s.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-450-b3-psu,5160-11.html the B3 has issues with overpower protection, get a pure power 10 or CX450/M.

[Finnskii]

2 hours ago, herman mcpootis said:

look at the video i linked earlier, the 7600k is worse than the ryzen 1600. if you're so much of a fanboy you can't get an AMD cpu then get the coffee lake i5s.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-450-b3-psu,5160-11.html the B3 has issues with overpower protection, get a pure power 10 or CX450/M.

So here is the next part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TTJZxG

I know the graphics card is very far from doing anything  gaming related but I am willing to wait. With the PSU, do you think it is enough for a gtx 1070 (or whatever the equivalent is next year) + CPU OC? 

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, Finnskii said:

So here is the next part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TTJZxG

I know the graphics card is very far from doing anything  gaming related but I am willing to wait. With the PSU, do you think it is enough for a gtx 1070 (or whatever the equivalent is next year) + CPU OC? 

more than enough, but there are better value PSUs, a corsair vengeance/TX550M or bitfenix formula would be cheaper and better. ram isn't in stock and get the B350 pro4 instead of the pc mate. you can get a cheap used display adaptor on ebay or cex for a few pounds for now.

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£145.14 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£69.80 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£68.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£68.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£33.95 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£68.66 @ Ebuyer) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£24.74 @ Amazon UK) 
Other: Game Max GMX-EXPLORER  (£23.99 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £503.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-13 16:32 GMT+0000

[Finnskii]

24 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£145.14 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£69.80 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£68.45 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£68.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£33.95 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£68.66 @ Ebuyer) 
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter  (£24.74 @ Amazon UK) 
Other: Game Max GMX-EXPLORER  (£23.99 @ Aria PC) 
Total: £503.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-13 16:32 GMT+0000

I will keep the cheap GPU in there as well.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pGjCmq

Final? or should I add A better cooler?

[WhatTheHell]

Just curious here, any real need for a wireless card? a bit of do it yourself with Cat5e will give you better speeds and will cost you less pounds.

[Ace McPlane]

On 2/12/2018 at 8:16 AM, xFluing said:

There's a risk factor involved here, but if he can scour the second hand market he could get a 960 or r9 280 for cheaper and with better performance than the 1050 ti

I'd bump that up to a 970. They're not much more, but there's a big jump in price up to the 980 so I think it's the sweet spot right now at least in my area.

[Ace McPlane]

On 2/12/2018 at 8:04 AM, Finnskii said:

Hello,

I am trying to decide if I should buy a pre-built or go build one myself. I am very inexperienced with building computers.

prebuilt:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Z270-I5-7600K-Kaby-Lake-Fast-Office-Home-Multimedia-Pc-Computer-1Tb-8Gb-Van-B/372135102310?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

go-build:https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yCB48Y

I know there is no graphics card and I am not getting a ryzen either. 

 

I think you're paying way too much.

 

You should part out a used parts build in my opinion with that budget.

You could get a lot more for the same price.

 

I don't know why some people are suggesting that kabylake is too old.

I'm still running a haswell system and I'm running a VR headset with no issues other than needing a USB card.

 

Don't spend so much on the CPU and motherboard side of things. 

If it's for gaming, then it's the graphics card that matters most.

I mean, my 4th generation processor isn't even remotely close to bottlenecking my 1080.

It would be a waste to put that much into the rest of your components.

 

Maybe a z97 motherboard, a i5 4690k with at least an evo 212 for a cooler so you can overclock it to 4.0ghz, a 550w 80+ bronze or higher power supply, a smaller 250gb SSD for your system drive, a 2 TB hard drive for your games, just some basic 1866mhz ram without heat spreaders or anything since ram is expensive right now, the cheapest case that's compatible, and a GTX 970 on auction for around 150-200 bucks.  Get everything on ebay except the power supply. Buy that new. You could totally do this system I just listed for around the same price minus the cost of windows and it would actually be good enough for VR let alone normal gaming.

 

Just make sure everything is compatible in pcpartpicker and make sure to buy everything you need to test post it at first so you can test all of your used parts within the 30 day period that ebay let's you claim a return if a part doesn't work or is the wrong one or something.

Also, don't bid on any auctions until the last 2 minutes.

You're golden if you follow those basic rules.