Windows crashes when OCing Ram

[RyzenDoctor]

Hi,

 

I am running windows 10 64 bit Home Ver 1709 Build 16299.192.

My specs are as follows:

- Ryzen 1700x watercooled with an NZXT X52 Kraken

- Asus Prime X370 Pro with Bios 3803

- EVGA SuperSc (microcenter) 8gbX2; rated at 3200 but unable to run beyond 2933 using automatic tuner. 

- SAMSUNG E 250GB 960EVO NVME M.2 SSD boot drive

- WD 500 GB Blue SSD (game holding drive)
- Asus Strix GTX 1060 6gb

 

For the first time ever, running my ram in DOCP at 3200 actually posted (with this new bios). In the past, it would freak out and end back at 2133. However, windows ends up in an endless "Automatic Repair" Error. The second I stop using the DOCP profile and overclock the ram using the Ez tool down to 2933 it boots just fine.

 

Any thoughts or prayers to spare? Is my ram bad =( ? Should I shoot myself for buying cheap EVGA Microcenter ram? or just be content with what I got?

 

Thanks

[Crunchy Dragon]

Usually enabling XMP in the BIOS helps with RAM overclocking(IIRC).

[porina]

Not all ram is compatible at high speeds with all CPUs/mobos. Make sure you're on latest bios (haven't checked the given version even though I have same mobo somewhere), if it doesn't work, back off until it does. The other way around would be to check the ram is known compatible before buying, but a bit late now.

[RyzenDoctor]

Update:

The bios is the latest from ASUS

Here is what I have done so far:

- I enabled DOCP (XMP equivalent) on the motherboard, put in the correct timings and ran at 2933... It booted fine

- I went up in increments; 3000, 3066, 3133 - and windows booted every time.

- At 3200 Windows freaked out and went into "Attempting Repair" mode; I had to back down to 3000 to get it to boot. It's still weird what windows is doing... the only thing I can think of, is that the ram is losing data at those high speeds or unable to keep up or something. At one point windows couldn't find the kernel file...

 

My ram sticks are funny I guess. Guess once DDR4 gets a bit cheaper I'll replace them with better sticks.

 

Anyone with other thought or prayers?

[porina]

Sad reality is even if ram is rated to work at a given speed, there is not a guarantee it will do so in all systems. Below 3000 is usually safe, but 3200 and beyond is entering that grey zone. Windows errors/corruption is commonly encountered by ram overclocking so is nothing new or surprising. If 2933 works, just run it at 2933.

[RyzenDoctor]

Porina, have any references I can read/view on the matter. It’s interesting to me, and knowing more is always good.

 

its just interesting that Windows boot process could corrupt at higher ram clocks...

[Ace McPlane]

16 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

Porina, have any references I can read/view on the matter. It’s interesting to me, and knowing more is always good.

 

its just interesting that Windows boot process could corrupt at higher ram clocks...

Check the specs on the side of the ram stick. Write down the timings, frequency and voltage.

Check all of that in your bios to see if it matches.

 

Also, be aware that overclocking your ram can add quite a bit of heat to your CPU overclock depending on the voltage so you should be stressing that with each increase too while monitoring temps to make sure they don't go over 80.

That's more of a problem with DDR3 though where higher speed ram requires like 1.65v

 

Also, you need to be loosening timings as you increase the ram speed if you're doing it manually. I'm still on DDR3 so you should look up how that works for DDR4. With mine I have to add up the first 3 numbers, subtract them by 1, and that's how I get my 4th figure. I find the 2nd figure makes the biggest difference to get to stability by raising it though.

[RyzenDoctor]

On 2/8/2018 at 9:23 AM, stateofpsychosis said:

Check the specs on the side of the ram stick. Write down the timings, frequency and voltage.

Check all of that in your bios to see if it matches.

 

Also, be aware that overclocking your ram can add quite a bit of heat to your CPU overclock depending on the voltage so you should be stressing that with each increase too while monitoring temps to make sure they don't go over 80.

That's more of a problem with DDR3 though where higher speed ram requires like 1.65v

 

Also, you need to be loosening timings as you increase the ram speed if you're doing it manually. I'm still on DDR3 so you should look up how that works for DDR4. With mine I have to add up the first 3 numbers, subtract them by 1, and that's how I get my 4th figure. I find the 2nd figure makes the biggest difference to get to stability by raising it though.

So, having inputted the timings off the back into the Bios manually hasn't made much of a difference. I honestly just wanted to see if I could do it quickly, but I'd rather have a stable build.... My CPU is water-cooled and rarely goes above 60C.

 

I'll wait for RAM prices to drop, and then I'll switch to a couple of sticks that are more Ryzen compatible

[Ace McPlane]

14 hours ago, RyzenDoctor said:

So, having inputted the timings off the back into the Bios manually hasn't made much of a difference. I honestly just wanted to see if I could do it quickly, but I'd rather have a stable build.... My CPU is water-cooled and rarely goes above 60C.

 

I'll wait for RAM prices to drop, and then I'll switch to a couple of sticks that are more Ryzen compatible

Yea, memory compatibility with Ryzen is a bitch from what I hear.

That would be a good place to start.

 

This time check the compatibility list off of your motherboard manufacturer's support page.