Wishing to upgrade my CPU

[NegNoodles]

I currently have the older i5 4670K paired with the gtx1080. Lately Ive been thinking about upgrading to either the 8600k or 8700k, or something that can perform similarly. I wish to upgrade strictly for gaming. Which one is better? I've read around and many have claimed that there's almost no difference in gaming, and some have noted that it's not worth the price difference. I"m located in the US btw, so there's almost a $100 USD difference between both. It's not too significant for me, but if there's really no difference at all, I"ll rather spend the $100 elsewhere. However I currently have the MSI Z87-G43 GAMING motherboard by MSI. I believe that should I wish to upgrade to coffeelake, I'll be required to upgrade my motherboard too right?

[Matthew Waring]

If you are wanting to upgrade to an 8th gen, you will also need to buy new memory since 4th gen CPU's use DDR3 instead of DDR4. So you will need to get a new CPU, mobo and memory.

[NegNoodles]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Waring said:

If you are wanting to upgrade to an 8th gen, you will also need to buy new memory since 4th gen CPU's use DDR3 instead of DDR4. So you will need to get a new CPU, mobo and memory.

 

Is this only the case for 8th gen? What about 7?

 

Should I go the 8xxx route, what's a recommended motherboard? I don't plan to OC or anything.

 

[Matthew Waring]

If I remember correctly, DDR4 started with the 6th gen CPU's. If you are not planning on overclocking, go for a non k CPU with a motherboard that has a chipset other than the Z chipset. I cant go into more detail at the moment since I am out.

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

Is this only the case for 8th gen? What about 7?

6th gen and 7th gen do have DDR3 compatible motherboards, but since they are still 4 core CPUs, it's not worth upgrading to. This means if you want a worthwhile upgrade, you will need some DDR4.

 

5 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

Should I go the 8xxx route, what's a recommended motherboard? I don't plan to OC or anything.

Wait a bit for B360 and H310, maybe H370 chipset equipped mobo then. They will be cheaper than Z370 ones.

[bleedblue]

4 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

 

Is this only the case for 8th gen? What about 7?

 

Should I go the 8xxx route, what's a recommended motherboard? I don't plan to OC or anything.

 

If gaming's your only use, you could look at used 7700's and b250 board. That's gonna be way cheaper than buying 8th gen new.

If used isn't your style though, and you're not planning on doing any OC and want to save, you will have to wait a while as only the premium Z boards for coffee lake are out, H and B are coming later this year.
 

[NegNoodles]

 

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

6th gen and 7th gen do have DDR3 compatible motherboards, but since they are still 4 core CPUs, it's not worth upgrading to. This means if you want a worthwhile upgrade, you will need some DDR4.

 

Wait a bit for B360 and H310, maybe H370 chipset equipped mobo then. They will be cheaper than Z370 ones.

Will the B and H be cheaper than the Z370? is there much of a difference? I've actually heard bad things about the z370, apparently its a dead end mobo? Also, how much of a difference is there? is it worth waiting till later this year? Any alternatives that I can consider now? I don't really wish to wait, unless there's that big of a difference that waiting is the better option...

 

7 minutes ago, Matthew Waring said:

If I remember correctly, DDR4 started with the 6th gen CPU's. If you are not planning on overclocking, go for a non k CPU with a motherboard that has a chipset other than the Z chipset. I cant go into more detail at the moment since I am out.

Is there a big difference with say, 8700 vs 8700k? As aforementioned, I don't play to OC ever, so is K really not the option to go?

 

4 minutes ago, bleedblue said:

If gaming's your only use, you could look at used 7700's and b250 board. That's gonna be way cheaper than buying 8th gen new.

If used isn't your style though, and you're not planning on doing any OC and want to save, you will have to wait a while as only the premium Z boards for coffee lake are out, H and B are coming later this year.
 

Also, I don't plan to buy used. I kinda wish to stick with the newest, so it's either 8600k or 8700k. Will the B250 board be compatible with the 8600k/8700k? Is it that much of a difference between the B250 and the ones that's going to be released later this year? Ideally, I don't really wish to wait at all, I'm trying to consider the parts that are available right now.

[Rolling Potatoe]

If you want more stable 100 fps you can just grab an i7 4790k off ebay,

5 minutes work and maybe 80$ cost if you sell your i5.

There are next to no games where a 8700k will be needed to get to 100 fps if your gpu is

up to snuff for your resolution.

[bleedblue]

3 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

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No, 8th gen CPUs wont be compatible with b250's or any previous generation mobo. If you have no plans to OC, you can get the i5 8500/ i7 8700 and still pair it with a Z370 board.

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

Will the B and H be cheaper than the Z370? is there much of a difference?

It will be cheaper of course, since they are lower end models. I'd expect B360 to be around $80 at launch, slowly dipping to $60. H chipsets one will be even cheaper. Of course they do lose a few things. B360 mobo will be Z370 ones without the ability to overclock, use SLI or use MCE (allows all CPUs to reach max turbo speed on all cores while normally it will only be 1 core, which is insane, and why only Z370 can use it). H chipsets will be B360 with even less features, like reduced PCIe ports, SATA ports, USB type C, something like that.

 

11 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

I've actually heard bad things about the z370, apparently its a dead end mobo?

Not just the Z370's problem, but the entire 8th gen platform. Rumour has it that 8th gen will not be compatible with 9th gen, which breaks the old rule of 2 generation compatibility.

 

12 minutes ago, NegNoodles said:

is it worth waiting till later this year? Any alternatives that I can consider now? I don't really wish to wait, unless there's that big of a difference that waiting is the better option...

Patience is really a good thing. 8th gen's competitor, AMD's Ryzen, will be releasing its refresh models in April. They are (my guesses here) a bit worse in games (Still a lot better than your 4690k, for sure), but much cheaper.

[DemiGod]

Honestly my advice would be wait for two months until ryzen+ comes out if it has around 10% ips increase it will reach same results as i7 8700 while costing way cheaper or second best option as someone told get an used 4th gen i7 

[Ddarlington36]

6 hours ago, Rolling Potatoe said:

If you want more stable 100 fps you can just grab an i7 4790k off ebay,

5 minutes work and maybe 80$ cost if you sell your i5.

There are next to no games where a 8700k will be needed to get to 100 fps if your gpu is

up to snuff for your resolution.

I would agree plus the cost of another motherboard plus DDR4 is going to be a Huge ($180-$250) cost for just 16gb not sure what kinda games you're playing or what fps your getting but if all you what is better gaming the simplar soultion would be upgrade your gpu first.