Intel 8th gen build

[Zeta_Demon]

I'm looking at building a silence optimized computer for around $1500 aud, it will be used for gaming and school work.

The current part i am looking at are:

Intel i3 8350K

Noctua NH-D15

Asus TUF Z370 plus gaming motherboard

Kingston hyperX fury black 16GB DDR4-2400

Samsung 850 evo 500gb

Fractal Define R6

EVGA supernova 650W 80+ titanium modular psu

 

I already have my windows install and a 1TB hard drive along with a 750ti that i will be using in the build.

any parts that will be bought will be bought from https://www.mwave.com.au/ so for pricing this is where it should come from

[Herman Mcpootis]

get an i5 8400 or 8600k instead of the 8350k, i'd see if you can fit a better gpu than the 750ti into the budget.

[Zeta_Demon]

Just now, herman mcpootis said:

get an i5 8400 or 8600k instead of the 8350k, i'd see if you can fit a better gpu than the 750ti into the budget.

i already have the 750 ti so i don't want to cut down a component just to buy a graphics card

[Herman Mcpootis]

that 750ti can barely play at low-medium 1080p on modern AAA games, you're better off spending the money on the GPU than having good components and a mediocre gpu.

[Nite-Ninja]

Yeah the 750ti is going to bottleneck your PC badly, even with an 8th Gen i3. Heck it would bottleneck a Pentium.

 

You could get a 980ti pretty cheap on Ebay, which is comparable to a 1070 in gaming standards, which will be about $300. And you won't need a Z370 to get the most out of an i3, however if you do plan to get an i7 down the line and overclock it, it'll be fine. Otherwise you're just throwing money into the fan.

 

Sadly, building a new PC from the ground up right now is bad thanks to how expensive RAM is. In your case, you could even benefit from finding an old Z97 setup rocking a i7 4770K and a 980ti for under $1000 and be set for the next few years for gaming.

 

But now I'm just rambling.

[Zeta_Demon]

2 minutes ago, Nite-Ninja said:

Yeah the 750ti is going to bottleneck your PC badly, even with an 8th Gen i3. Heck it would bottleneck a Pentium.

 

You could get a 980ti pretty cheap on Ebay, which is comparable to a 1070 in gaming standards, which will be about $300. And you won't need a Z370 to get the most out of an i3, however if you do plan to get an i7 down the line and overclock it, it'll be fine. Otherwise you're just throwing money into the fan.

 

Sadly, building a new PC from the ground up right now is bad thanks to how expensive RAM is. In your case, you could even benefit from finding an old Z97 setup rocking a i7 4770K and a 980ti for under $1000 and be set for the next few years for gaming.

 

But now I'm just rambling.

i'm currently running a computer that's an old dell optiplex with a i7 2600 with the gpu thrown in, i want to eventually get a 1070 or a 1070ti so its not worth the other stuff

[Nite-Ninja]

1 minute ago, Zeta_Demon said:

i'm currently running a computer that's an old dell optiplex with a i7 2600 with the gpu thrown in, i want to eventually get a 1070 or a 1070ti so its not worth the other stuff

My dad upgraded his Sandy Bridge to an Ivy Bridge 3770K on the cheap, and paired with 2x EVGA Geforce 680 Classifieds in SLi, and still pulls respectable numbers in games and synthetic benchmarks in 1080P, so you could still possibly breathe life into that system you're using now if that Optiplex is using any standard components. That'll at least keep you going longer as you save for the hardware you want. Because a 1070/1070ti will find the i3 you have in your specs a bottleneck after the upgrade.

[Zeta_Demon]

3 minutes ago, Nite-Ninja said:

My dad upgraded his Sandy Bridge to an Ivy Bridge 3770K on the cheap, and paired with 2x EVGA Geforce 680 Classifieds in SLi, and still pulls respectable numbers in games and synthetic benchmarks in 1080P, so you could still possibly breathe life into that system you're using now if that Optiplex is using any standard components. That'll at least keep you going longer as you save for the hardware you want. Because a 1070/1070ti will find the i3 you have in your specs a bottleneck after the upgrade.

the system isn't running any standard components and is very loud, the aim of the new system is to be quiet

[Energycore]

24 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

i already have the 750 ti so i don't want to cut down a component just to buy a graphics card

The 750 Ti is just not very powerful anymore, consider a graphics card as your next upgrade if you don't buy a new one now.

[Zeta_Demon]

Just now, Energycore said:

The 750 Ti is just not very powerful anymore, consider a graphics card as your next upgrade if you don't buy a new one now.

Thats my plan after i buy everything else

[Nite-Ninja]

2 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

the system isn't running any standard components and is very loud, the aim of the new system is to be quiet

Yeah thats Typical Dell.

 

Regardless, try shooting for an i5 now, and save up for the 1070 later. If you go for the i3 now, and get the 1070 later, you'll find your shiny new i3 as a bottleneck in your system. And nobody likes bottlenecks.

[Zeta_Demon]

1 minute ago, Nite-Ninja said:

Yeah thats Typical Dell.

 

Regardless, try shooting for an i5 now, and save up for the 1070 later. If you go for the i3 now, and get the 1070 later, you'll find your shiny new i3 as a bottleneck in your system. And nobody likes bottlenecks.

okay, like i've been looking at benchmarks and the i5  8600k is only about 10% better than the i3 8350k and its about $120 for the upgrade

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Zeta_Demon said:

okay, like i've been looking at benchmarks and the i5  8600k is only about 10% better than the i3 8350k and its about $120 for the upgrade

even an 8400 at a similar price is much better than the 8350k.

[Streetguru]

38 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

 

You're better off with an R5 1600, Ryzen is more efficient and is soldered, so you can end up with less noise overall, doesn't need a massive cooler either

really better motherboards are like twice the price so that kind of sucks. Probably don't need an 8 core.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9fKZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9fKZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($278.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($45.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Umart)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($267.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($110.00 @ Umart)
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $1008.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-06 19:09 AEDT+1100
 

 

[Zeta_Demon]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

You're better off with an R5 1600, Ryzen is more efficient and is soldered, so you can end up with less noise overall, doesn't need a massive cooler either

really better motherboards are like twice the price so that kind of sucks. Probably don't need an 8 core.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9fKZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9fKZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($278.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($45.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($110.00 @ Umart)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($267.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($110.00 @ Umart)
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($109.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $1008.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-06 19:09 AEDT+1100
 

 

I'm not going to pay for shipping for any products so anything from be quiet is out of the question and the ryzen 5 1600 kinda sucks for gaming, i wont be doing much in the way of multi-threaded tasking

[BubblyCharizard]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

1 hour ago, Zeta_Demon said:

 

You're better off with an R5 1600, Ryzen is more efficient and is soldered, so you can end up with less noise overall, doesn't need a massive cooler either

the build is an i3....no need for more than a stock cooler

[Streetguru]

7 hours ago, Zeta_Demon said:

ryzen 5 1600 kinda sucks for gaming

Can you put a number to that?

[Zeta_Demon]

12 hours ago, BubblyCharizard said:

the build is an i3....no need for more than a stock cooler

the k version cpu's don't come with the stock cooler, and the stock cooler is really loud

[Zeta_Demon]

5 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Can you put a number to that?

check out gamers nexus review of the i3 8350k, https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3106-intel-i3-8350k-review-overclocking-vs-i5-8400-r5-1600x, you'll see it beats out  the 1600X which performs better than the 1600

[Streetguru]

13 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

 

From that review:
"Even still, some games make it difficult to defend the 8350K over Intel’s own i5-8400 "

the i5 8400 is the minimum coffee lake chip you want to buy. The K i3 is a joke as it's just a last gen i5 which were already replaced by ryzen in most recommendations due to the 1600 just being a great value with it's multi-thread performance. While getting still good gaming performance, say 100fps avg vs coffee lake's 120+fps, so it doesn't exactly "suck" it's just not the best.

Unless the i3 K way cheaper than the i5 8400 in AUS, like say 40-50% the price. Or if you really need the 5ghz clock for the best possible emulation or something.

[Zeta_Demon]

2 hours ago, Streetguru said:

From that review:
"Even still, some games make it difficult to defend the 8350K over Intel’s own i5-8400 "

the i5 8400 is the minimum coffee lake chip you want to buy. The K i3 is a joke as it's just a last gen i5 which were already replaced by ryzen in most recommendations due to the 1600 just being a great value with it's multi-thread performance. While getting still good gaming performance, say 100fps avg vs coffee lake's 120+fps, so it doesn't exactly "suck" it's just not the best.

Unless the i3 K way cheaper than the i5 8400 in AUS, like say 40-50% the price. Or if you really need the 5ghz clock for the best possible emulation or something.

But from all the bench marks I’ve seen the 8350 generally best the 8400 in gaming

[Streetguru]

21 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

But from all the bench marks I’ve seen the 8350 generally best the 8400 in gaming

But is it worth losing 2 cores for slightly better gaming performance for now? when the 8400 is already pretty good?

[Zeta_Demon]

59 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

But is it worth losing 2 cores for slightly better gaming performance for now? when the 8400 is already pretty good?

What would I be using those 2 cores for, I’m not doing streaming or anything like that

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Zeta_Demon said:

What would I be using those 2 cores for, I’m not doing streaming or anything like that

Reserved for future use and future games that actually make use of more cores, if the i3 K is a good deal cheaper then maybe go for it, but I can't recommend it to anyone when a 6 core CPU with similar gaming performance is slightly more in price.

Or better yet if you're going to buy a 4 core 4 thread CPU, why not just buy an R3 1200? It's almost half the price of the i3 on the part picker at least and gives you a platform that should be supported until 2020, with at least up to 8 core CPUs. It's still going to be perfectly fine for 60hz gaming as well.