Upgrade PSU before overclocking?

[grillechese]

So here is my system as of right now: EVERYTHING IS STOCK ATM

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

MOBO: Asus B350-F Gaming

RAM: G skill trident z RBG DDR4-3000 (not running at 3000)

GPU: Asus STRIX 1060 6GB

PSU: EVGA 430W (i believe that it's 80+ bronze)

 

before i get into hard overclocking, i feel that i should upgrade my PSU.

 

If i do, give me some recommendations.  

 

[seon123]

EVGA doesn't have any Bronze rated 430W PSUs, only the W1. So definitely change it, even if you don't overclock.

There are lots of units to pick from in the PSU tier list. Pick a tier 1-2 unit, 450W is fine. 

 

[STRMfrmXMN]

4 minutes ago, grillechese said:

So here is my system as of right now: EVERYTHING IS STOCK ATM

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

MOBO: Asus B350-F Gaming

RAM: G skill trident z RBG DDR4-3000 (not running at 3000)

GPU: Asus STRIX 1060 6GB

PSU: EVGA 430W (i believe that it's 80+ bronze)

 

before i get into hard overclocking, i feel that i should upgrade my PSU.

 

If i do, give me some recommendations.  

 

EVGA doesn't have an 80 PLUS Bronze 430W. This means you have the super crap W1. Definitely get a new PSU.

 

PM me if you have issues overclocking on that board. I have the same board.

[STRMfrmXMN]

6 minutes ago, seon123 said:

EVGA doesn't have any Bronze rated 430W PSUs, only the W1. So definitely change it, even if you don't overclock.

There are lots of units to pick from in the PSU tier list. Pick a tier 1-2 unit, 450W is fine. 

 

For OP's 1060 a CX450M would be fine, and that's T3.

[adithyay328]

5 minutes ago, grillechese said:

So here is my system as of right now: EVERYTHING IS STOCK ATM

 

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

MOBO: Asus B350-F Gaming

RAM: G skill trident z RBG DDR4-3000 (not running at 3000)

GPU: Asus STRIX 1060 6GB

PSU: EVGA 430W (i believe that it's 80+ bronze)

 

before i get into hard overclocking, i feel that i should upgrade my PSU.

 

If i do, give me some recommendations.  

 

I think you can probably get away with most OCs. I think that PSU won't be much of a problem.

[seon123]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

For OP's 1060 a CX450M would be fine, and that's T3.

Yes, but with black Friday coming up (which I should probably have mentioned so it made more sense), there should be something on sale. A $50-60 tier 1-2 unit isn't too unrealistic. But yeah, I normally don't have a problem recommending the CX/M or other tier 3 units. 

[adithyay328]

12 minutes ago, seon123 said:

EVGA doesn't have any Bronze rated 430W PSUs, only the W1. So definitely change it, even if you don't overclock.

There are lots of units to pick from in the PSU tier list. Pick a tier 1-2 unit, 450W is fine. 

 

What is so bad about the WI?

[adithyay328]

10 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

EVGA doesn't have an 80 PLUS Bronze 430W. This means you have the super crap W1. Definitely get a new PSU.

 

PM me if you have issues overclocking on that board. I have the same board.

Again, what's so bad about the W1?

[adithyay328]

8 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Yes, but with black Friday coming up (which I should probably have mentioned so it made more sense), there should be something on sale. A $50-60 tier 1-2 unit isn't too unrealistic. But yeah, I normally don't have a problem recommending the CX/M or other tier 3 units. 

I only buy Corsair's modular, nice PSUs, which are really nice. But, I can recommend most of EVGA's modular and high end units, as well as be quiet's PSUs. Still, that tier list linked above looks pretty accurate, so go refer to the list above in tier 1 and 2. They aren't too much more expensive than lower end units, so go for them. Even tier ones aren't too expensive, so aim for those ones.

[seon123]

18 minutes ago, adithyay328 said:

What is so bad about the WI?

85°C Capxon capacitor on the primary, Teapo on secondary, aweful regulation, especially on CL, mediocre ripple and pretty bad efficiency. Probably also lacks protections.

[STRMfrmXMN]

1 hour ago, adithyay328 said:

Again, what's so bad about the W1?

Subpar build quality and dated design?

[grillechese]

1 hour ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

EVGA doesn't have an 80 PLUS Bronze 430W. This means you have the super crap W1. Definitely get a new PSU.

 

PM me if you have issues overclocking on that board. I have the same board.

i really like this board, make sure you got the BIOS up-to-date though. It was SUPER laggy before hand and atm i can't manually set ram for some reason? But i may have just overlooked something. 

[STRMfrmXMN]

9 minutes ago, grillechese said:

i really like this board, make sure you got the BIOS up-to-date though. It was SUPER laggy before hand and atm i can't manually set ram for some reason? But i may have just overlooked something. 

Yes, mine is the latest BIOS. There's only the release BIOS and one new one according to Asus.

 

You set the RAM by selecting DOCP for the RAM speed and crossing your fingers. My RAM wouldn't post at it's DOCP speed of 3200 MHz and so I lowered the clock from 3200 MHz to 2933 and it worked perfectly at the factory timings.

[grillechese]

1 minute ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Yes, mine is the latest BIOS. There's only the release BIOS and one new one according to Asus.

 

You set the RAM by selecting DOCP for the RAM speed and crossing your fingers. My RAM wouldn't post at it's DOCP speed of 3200 MHz and so I lowered the clock from 3200 MHz to 2933 and it worked perfectly at the factory timings.

i'll get back on to it and do it from there.

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, seon123 said:

85°C Capxon capacitor on the primary, Teapo on secondary,

Absolutely irrelevant...

Or would have "wapanese Capacitors" this PSU any better?

Also I've seen calculations of Lifetime for a primary capacitor. For 230VAC it is in the area of 'probably the last thing to ever fail', even an 85°C Primary capacitor isn't that important. What is important is the capacitiy of the primary capacitor. For a 450W you want at least 220µF, 270µF would be better for somewhat decent Holdup Time. So you can either choose something that is somewhat close to the specified 17ms but use an 85°C one or you can totally violate that and use a 120µF-180µF Capacitor (something you'd see in a 300-350W PSU) but a 105°C one. 

The 105°C/120µF capacitor is clearly superior to a 270µF one with 85°C - NOT.

And the manufacturer on the secondary side is irrelevant. How many we are talking about is more relevant, the total capacity on +12V and what series it is...

 

But hey, rather have 2x1000µF/16V "Wapanese" on +12V than 4x 2200µF Teapo SC - NOT...

 

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aweful regulation, especially on CL, mediocre ripple and pretty bad efficiency.

That's to be expected, is it not?

But yeah, that awful regulation might be an issue, also that it is group regulated.

 

Mediocre Ripple and "bad efficiency" on the other hand isn't a valid point either. What do you expect for the Pricepoint?!

 

A Corsair HX750i competitor?!

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Probably also lacks protections.

If it is HEC, probably not, except for OTP.

Normally uses a protection Chip that has everything you desire - even on their "cheap garbage" like Cougar STX350...

[PETRGangKing]

4 hours ago, seon123 said:

Yes, but with black Friday coming up (which I should probably have mentioned so it made more sense), there should be something on sale. A $50-60 tier 1-2 unit isn't too unrealistic. But yeah, I normally don't have a problem recommending the CX/M or other tier 3 units. 

The cooler master v550 is only 60 bucks right now, and it's a t1. Gold rated and fully modular.

 

OP: you might want to upgrade your cooler too. The 212 Evo will work, you can overclock with it but you may run out of thermal headroom before you max out the chip.

[seon123]

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

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Noted.

Don't feel like it should be paired with a Ryzen 1600 and GTX 1060, though. 

[adithyay328]

15 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Subpar build quality and dated design?

Ok. Thanks.

[adithyay328]

12 hours ago, PETRGangKing said:

The cooler master v550 is only 60 bucks right now, and it's a t1. Gold rated and fully modular.

 

OP: you might want to upgrade your cooler too. The 212 Evo will work, you can overclock with it but you may run out of thermal headroom before you max out the chip.

Looks good. Its modular and from a reputable manufacturer, as well as being a T1 on the above tier list. I agree with this.

[PETRGangKing]

1 hour ago, adithyay328 said:

Looks good. Its modular and from a reputable manufacturer, as well as being a T1 on the above tier list. I agree with this.

It isnt normally priced that well, but I imagine it will stay at that price point at least until after BF & CM.