Ryzen 5 1600 posting issues

[SupamanLawson]

Hey everyone,

 

 I recently just build my first ever gaming PC. I haven't had any issues with the build of anything til today. 

 

Ryzen 5 1600 w/ stock cooler (running at stock speeds)

Asus Strix B350 Gaming-F

Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( running at 2933mhz)

GT 1030 

Rosewill Capstone-M 550w

 

Everything has been fine til this point. but last night I shutdown my computer to move to my game room since I built a new desk. I did end up putting the PC on the ground because I have  hardwood and didnt think it was a bad idea. 

 

Well upon booting this morning like I usually do, my pc booted into safemode. Its only done that the times I tried getting 3200mhz out of the ram. Turning it down to 2933 and its worked perfectly since. So when I went into bios, it said I was still running at 2933mhz. I reset defaults but same thing. NO post and right back to bios. So I turn on D.O.C.P again to the 3200mhz option and turn it down to 2933 because that was the most stable. And low and behold it works again.

 

Problem only happened after Shutdown if that helps. 

 

Am I doing something wrong?. Is there a Ram issue that I need to return or cpu issue?.

[Salacious B Crum]

6 minutes ago, SupamanLawson said:

Hey everyone,

 

 I recently just build my first ever gaming PC. I haven't had any issues with the build of anything til today. 

 

Ryzen 5 1600 w/ stock cooler (running at stock speeds)

Asus Strix B350 Gaming-F

Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( running at 2933mhz)

GT 1030 

Rosewill Capstone-M 550w

 

Everything has been fine til this point. but last night I shutdown my computer to move to my game room since I built a new desk. I did end up putting the PC on the ground because I have  hardwood and didnt think it was a bad idea. 

 

Well upon booting this morning like I usually do, my pc booted into safemode. Its only done that the times I tried getting 3200mhz out of the ram. Turning it down to 2933 and its worked perfectly since. So when I went into bios, it said I was still running at 2933mhz. I reset defaults but same thing. NO post and right back to bios. So I turn on D.O.C.P again to the 3200mhz option and turn it down to 2933 because that was the most stable. And low and behold it works again.

 

Problem only happened after Shutdown if that helps. 

 

Am I doing something wrong?. Is there a Ram issue that I need to return or cpu issue?.

Have you thoroughly stressed the system with that ram if not it still may be unstable

[WebPlayz]

7 minutes ago, SupamanLawson said:

Hey everyone,

 

 I recently just build my first ever gaming PC. I haven't had any issues with the build of anything til today. 

 

Ryzen 5 1600 w/ stock cooler (running at stock speeds)

Asus Strix B350 Gaming-F

Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( running at 2933mhz)

GT 1030 

Rosewill Capstone-M 550w

 

Everything has been fine til this point. but last night I shutdown my computer to move to my game room since I built a new desk. I did end up putting the PC on the ground because I have  hardwood and didnt think it was a bad idea. 

 

Well upon booting this morning like I usually do, my pc booted into safemode. Its only done that the times I tried getting 3200mhz out of the ram. Turning it down to 2933 and its worked perfectly since. So when I went into bios, it said I was still running at 2933mhz. I reset defaults but same thing. NO post and right back to bios. So I turn on D.O.C.P again to the 3200mhz option and turn it down to 2933 because that was the most stable. And low and behold it works again.

 

Problem only happened after Shutdown if that helps. 

 

Am I doing something wrong?. Is there a Ram issue that I need to return or cpu issue?.

Its because Corsair LPX Is Hynix Ram. I had to fiddle around to get mine working. If you really need the fast ram speed. Get Gskill. 

[johndms]

21 minutes ago, SupamanLawson said:

Am I doing something wrong?. Is there a Ram issue that I need to return or cpu issue?.

This is just yet another one of Ryzen's issues. Ram overclocks often fail when the system is powered off completely and turned on hours later(cold boot). Mine does this and my ram kit works exceedingly well in my board. I've developed a habit of saving my overclock settings to a Profile. Should anything stupid happen, I just reset the cmos then load bios/uefi defaults, then loading my profile seems to put things right again. I think it has to do with the amount of DRAM Voltage the system tries to turn on with not being what the overclocked ram expects. I'm not entirely sure, though.

 

*Edit* As long as you don't remove the cmos battery to reset cmos (use jumpers instead) the profiles will remain after reset.

 

Maybe a bios update to the most recent version fix this, or at least have it happen less.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_BIOS/

[SupamanLawson]

1 hour ago, mrbilky said:

Have you thoroughly stressed the system with that ram if not it still may be unstable

Thanks for the reply. I did not Stress test it. I personally dont know how to do that and ive been through many forums and alot of them said stress testing isnt necessary. but they were all from this site and reddit but i sadly forgot which threads. I will give it a try if i figure out how to perform the stress test.

 

1 hour ago, Killstreak said:

Its because Corsair LPX Is Hynix Ram. I had to fiddle around to get mine working. If you really need the fast ram speed. Get Gskill. 

I dont necessarily need faster ram. Im coming from 1333mhz ddr3, so even stock @2100mhz is fine honestly. but ive just read alot of forums and even asked here in a post i created about ram and every one says Ryzen loves faster speeds. so I just went with it. Luckily Im within return range if it indeed is the ram thats causing issues. 

[johndms]

1 minute ago, SupamanLawson said:

Thanks for the reply. I did not Stress test it. I personally dont know how to do that and ive been through many forums and alot of them said stress testing isnt necessary. but they were all from this site and reddit but i sadly forgot which threads. I will give it a try if i figure out how to perform the stress test.

I use Memtest86 on a usb flash drive to test my ram overclocks should strange things happen. I doubt this is your problem, but for future reference there's a guide I'll link below that has a section on stress testing ram overclocks. I personally use the Memtest86 method mentioned; 10 runs of #6 test across all cores parallel. It takes about 18-20 minutes. If it passes without errors, I feel confident that my ram isn't causing problems.

 

 

[SupamanLawson]

4 minutes ago, johndms said:

This is just yet another one of Ryzen's issues. Ram overclocks often fail when the system is powered off completely and turned on hours later(cold boot). Mine does this and my ram kit works exceedingly well in my board. I've developed a habit of saving my overclock settings to a Profile. Should anything stupid happen, I just reset the cmos then load bios/uefi defaults, then loading my profile seems to put things right again. I think it has to do with the amount of DRAM Voltage the system tries to turn on with not being what the overclocked ram expects. I'm not entirely sure, though.

 

Maybe a bios update to the most recent version fix this, or at least have it happen less.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_BIOS/

Thats odd that it would do that, not a huge turn off for me though. I usually only shutdown every once in a while when I am not going to be on the computer for more than a few days. So i was highly surprised it happened the 1 time I did it. 

 

My bios is currently at the updated version. 

[WebPlayz]

1 minute ago, SupamanLawson said:

I dont necessarily need faster ram. Im coming from 1333mhz ddr3, so even stock @2100mhz is fine honestly. but ive just read alot of forums and even asked here in a post i created about ram and every one says Ryzen loves faster speeds. so I just went with it. Luckily Im within return range if it indeed is the ram thats causing issues. 

It does love speed. But It really after ddr4 2666MHZ Its all just numbers. It wont be major in real world. useage. 

[SupamanLawson]

1 hour ago, johndms said:

I use Memtest86 on a usb flash drive to test my ram overclocks should strange things happen. I doubt this is your problem, but for future reference there's a guide I'll link below that has a section on stress testing ram overclocks. I personally use the Memtest86 method mentioned; 10 runs of #6 test across all cores parallel. It takes about 18-20 minutes. If it passes without errors, I feel confident that my ram isn't causing problems.

Thank you for the info. I will definitely give it a try.

If indeed the ram is fine. What else could be the issue? Just a bios update in the near future to fix it?

 

1 hour ago, Killstreak said:

It does love speed. But It really after ddr4 2666MHZ Its all just numbers. It wont be major in real world. useage. 

Well thanks for that info. I had no idea after a certain number it doesnt make too much of a difference. Im still new to this and learning everyday. Is Gskill that much better than corsair?.

[WebPlayz]

Just now, SupamanLawson said:

Well thanks for that info. I had no idea after a certain number it doesnt make too much of a difference. Im still new to this and learning everyday. Is Gskill that much better than corsair?.

Well. They use Samsung Chips. Corsair does state here. http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen That It does work. But It wont be stable as its hynix chips. 

[SupamanLawson]

1 minute ago, Killstreak said:

Well. They use Samsung Chips. Corsair does state here. http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen That It does work. But It wont be stable as its hynix chips. 

And of course the 3200 kit I have is not on that list. lol

[johndms]

5 minutes ago, SupamanLawson said:

Thank you for the info. I will definitely give it a try.

 

If indeed the ram is fine. What else could be the issue? Just a bios update in the near future to fix it?

I believe some boards have an extra voltage option to increase the amount of DRAM Voltage supplied to the ram at boot, before post. I'm not entirely sure. Overclocked ram usually needs 1.35v to operate correctly, but I think the board may only offer 1.2v to initially post. It's something like that. I just don't know enough about it. Let's hope a future bios update will fix all these annoying Ryzen issues.

[SupamanLawson]

Just now, johndms said:

I believe some boards have an extra voltage option to increase the amount of DRAM Voltage supplied to the ram at boot, before post. I'm not entirely sure. Overclocked ram usually needs 1.35v to operate correctly, but I think the board may only offer 1.2v to initially post. It's something like that. I just don't know enough about it.

Yeah same here. Even with this issue. I still enjoy the whole experience and the PC community is so much more helpful that the console community. 

[johndms]

8 minutes ago, Killstreak said:

Well. They use Samsung Chips. Corsair does state here. http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen That It does work. But It wont be stable as its hynix chips. 

I don't think it's a problem with his choice of kit. I'm sure this is some sort of cold-boot bug that affects all ram regardless of chip manufacturer. But I've been known to be wrong in the past.. DISTANT PAST

 

My G.Skill kit has Hynix M-Die, so it's a matter of researching model numbers before you buy. Kits with Samsung B-Die are known to work best with Ryzen. I'd be interested in seeing if they have this issue too. http://www.overclock.net/t/1627555/ryzen-memory-ic-collection-thread contains a list of known ram model numbers with the chips they contain. Interesting and useful link to cross-reference vs a board's QVL list when purchasing ram.

[SupamanLawson]

1 minute ago, johndms said:

I don't think it's a problem with his choice of it. I'm sure this is some sort of cold-boot bug that affects all ram regardless of chip manufacturer. But I've been known to be wrong in the past.. DISTANT PAST

 

My G.Skill kit has Hynix M-Die, so it's a matter of researching model numbers before you buy. Kits with Samsung B-Die are known to work best with Ryzen. I'd be interested in seeing if they have this issue too. http://www.overclock.net/t/1627555/ryzen-memory-ic-collection-thread contains a list of known ram model numbers with the chips they contain. Interesting and useful link to cross-reference vs a board's QVL list when purchasing ram.

Thats interesting. I tried to stay within my QVL but failed I guess. I though I got one on the list but my kit isnt on my QVL. 

[johndms]

Interesting note. If you Google "Dram Boot Voltage" it brings in results of other Ryzen users complaining about the cold boot issues and failed overclocks. It's something I'll do some research on. Sadly, my crap board won't have this option.

[SupamanLawson]

1 minute ago, johndms said:

Interesting note. If you Google "Dram Boot Voltage" it brings in results of other Ryzen users complaining about the cold boot issues and failed overclocks. It's something I'll do some research on. Sadly, my crap board won't have this option.

I never thought to google that didnt honestly know it was called a cold boot. fml. 

 

I love my board. looks amazing

[just_dave]

Try 3066 with Rated timings, i had the same mobo and have the same memory.

Dont forget that mem speeds over 2933 depend on your IMC which is usually weaker on R5s

[SupamanLawson]

2 minutes ago, johndms said:

Interesting note. If you Google "Dram Boot Voltage" it brings in results of other Ryzen users complaining about the cold boot issues and failed overclocks. It's something I'll do some research on. Sadly, my crap board won't have this option.

So in your opinion. Should i return this kit for a B-die kit?. or just stick with my kit?

[just_dave]

Just now, SupamanLawson said:

So in your opinion. Should i return this kit for a B-die kit?. or just stick with my kit?

nah, stick with it

[SupamanLawson]

Just now, dave_k said:

Try 3066 with Rated timings, i had the same mobo and have the same memory.

Dont forget that mem speeds over 2933 depend on your IMC which is usually weaker on R5s

Is there a difference between your X370 and my B350? I tried using the D.O.C.P and it would not post at 3066 sadly.

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, SupamanLawson said:

Is there a difference between your X370 and my B350? I tried using the D.O.C.P and it would not post at 3066 sadly.

Dont use the goddamn DOCP but overclock it yourself.

The memory overclocking capabilities on the B350-F are similiar or marginally worse.

I had the B350-F too.

I ran 3066/15-15-15-35 1.36V on B350-F and now i am running 3066/14-15-15-35 1.36V.

My CPU wont allow 3200MHz always booting and nothing above because reasons

[SupamanLawson]

Just now, dave_k said:

Dont use the goddamn DOCP but overclock it yourself.

The memory overclocking capabilities on the B350-F are similiar or marginally worse.

I had the B350-F too.

I ran 3066/15-15-15-35 1.36V on B350-F and now i am running 3066/14-15-15-35 1.36V.

My CPU wont allow 3200MHz always booting and nothing above because reasons

Im new to the whole PC building and I figured using the built in OC would have less chance of me messing things up. But ill give it a try. 

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, SupamanLawson said:

Im new to the whole PC building and I figured using the built in OC would have less chance of me messing things up. But ill give it a try. 

Set these things:

Memory speed: 3066MHz

DRAM voltage: 1.36V

Timings: 16, 16, 16, 36

Overclock fail count: 4

[SupamanLawson]

6 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Set these things:

Memory speed: 3066MHz

DRAM voltage: 1.36V

Timings: 16, 16, 16, 36

Overclock fail count: 4

I’m currently in my bios. There are so many options. I do not know where to input the timings.  I got the voltage and the on fail count and the 3066