IPS vs TN

[skeeler88]

So very soon ill have enough money to build my first gaming pc and i havent decided on a monitor. Im looking to game at 1080 or 1440p. Honestly, im leaning more towards an IPS panel bit ive talked to multiple people who say to get a TN panel with 144hz, 1ms response rate. Any suggestions and opinions on why one is better than the other. 

[ARikozuM]

Response rate has no bearing between monitors as there is no universal methodology to it. I'd go IPS 144Hz.

[Evolution.]

if ur not playing competitve games u dont need 144hz

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Response rate has no bearing between monitors as there is no universal methodology to it. I'd go IPS 144Hz.

response rate actually makes a huge difference in ghosting, u wouldnt wanna play on a 12ms monitor trust me, the ghosting would be so huge u can barely see moving objects  ( coz their all blurred out )

 

also for op

 

dont listen to what others tell u , because 20ppl might tell u to get an 4k ips monitor doesnt mean its the best for u, if u are a competitive gamer and u want high hz then sure why not, but u might prefer a cheaper ips panel or maybe even a 32inch one ( who knows )

[minervx]

IPS is a significant improvement over TN in image quality. 

 

I wouldn't sacrifice quality in streaming/movies, photoshopping, immersion in single-player games and overall enjoyability to have 144 Hz.

[VolkA]

5 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

So very soon ill have enough money to build my first gaming pc and i havent decided on a monitor. Im looking to game at 1080 or 1440p. Honestly, im leaning more towards an IPS panel bit ive talked to multiple people who say to get a TN panel with 144hz, 1ms response rate. Any suggestions and opinions on why one is better than the other. 

Viewing angle and color (I think) will be better on IPS. More Hz means more smooth motions provided your GPU can output it.

 

What are you planning to do MOST of the time? Will it be gaming and what kind of games do you play? Example for me, I don't play FPS at all thus 144Hz monitor to me is not that important (if I have it will be great but if I don't have, the impact are not that great).

 

If you play FPS all the time and plan on going competitive, then 144Hz would be for you.

 

If the games you played are more for the view (I'm sorry, not sure how to explain here), games like Skyrim and stuff, then get a IPS panel like 32" or so. If your budget allows it, go for 1440p because at 32" 1080p will not be looking at it's best.

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

response rate actually makes a huge difference in ghosting

You cannot take a response time from one line of monitors and compare it to another as there is no standardized test for said response time. 

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

You cannot take a response time from one line of monitors and compare it to another as there is no standardized test for said response time. 

guess u dont see the difference between a monitor and a tv's responsetime aswell then

 

and most tv,s got like 4ms

 

anyway

 

 

 

and yeah u can take monitors into a line and see it instantly   i can see the ghosting difference from 5ms and 1ms easily(im pretty sure u never even seen a 12ms monitor else u would agree lol), high hz monitors have a low response time for a reason

[minervx]

one way to find out is to go to a store like Best Buy and look at both an IPS and TN monitor to see the difference.

[skeeler88]

9 minutes ago, VolkA said:

Viewing angle and color (I think) will be better on IPS. More Hz means more smooth motions provided your GPU can output it.

 

What are you planning to do MOST of the time? Will it be gaming and what kind of games do you play? Example for me, I don't play FPS at all thus 144Hz monitor to me is not that important (if I have it will be great but if I don't have, the impact are not that great).

 

If you play FPS all the time and plan on going competitive, then 144Hz would be for you.

 

If the games you played are more for the view (I'm sorry, not sure how to explain here), games like Skyrim and stuff, then get a IPS panel like 32" or so. If your budget allows it, go for 1440p because at 32" 1080p will not be looking at it's best.

well i do plan to play competitive as I do on xbox. hope to play games like PUBG, CS GO, rocket league, destiny 2, battlefield. im new to pc building and all in general so im sort of in a bidget but not 

[Glenwing]

7 minutes ago, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

guess u dont see the difference between a monitor and a tv's responsetime aswell then

 

and most tv,s got like 4ms

 

anyway

 

and yeah u can take monitors into a line and see it instantly   i can see the ghosting difference from 5ms and 1ms easily(im pretty sure u never even seen a 12ms monitor else u would agree lol), high hz monitors have a low response time for a reason

If you take objective measurements rather than feelings, you'll see that "5 ms" could mean anything, you can test a dozen different "5 ms" monitors and their actual response times will be all over the place.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

2 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

If you take objective measurements rather than feelings, you'll see that "5 ms" could mean anything, you can test a dozen different "5 ms" monitors and their actual response times will be all over the place.

yep, but the difference is still extremely seen

 

hence why alot of ppl hate tv's for gaming

[dizmo]

Is there no middle ground? There are a few 75hz IPS panels that are more affordable, they'd probably be what I'd be aiming for. However, there are also nicer TN monitors with 144hz, however they're a little more on the expensive side.

Whichever way you go, you should always find a site that does in depth reviews of monitors to find things like lag times.

 

18 minutes ago, minervx said:

IPS is a significant improvement over TN in image quality. 

 

I wouldn't sacrifice quality in streaming/movies, photoshopping, immersion in single-player games and overall enjoyability to have 144 Hz.

Not all. There are shit IPS panels, there are great TN panels. You can't just blanket statement the whole class.

[Glenwing]

Just now, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

yep, but the difference is still extremely seen

 

hence why alot of ppl hate tv's for gaming

The point is that response time specs don't tell you what the response time actually is, so just because you can see the difference between one 5 ms monitor and one 1 ms monitor, doesn't mean a different 5 ms monitor and 1 ms monitor will have the same difference between them.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

3 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

The point is that response time specs don't tell you what the response time actually is, so just because you can see the difference between one 5 ms monitor and one 1 ms monitor, doesn't mean a different 5 ms monitor and 1 ms monitor will have the same difference between them.

the point is that u can see the difference, and he claimed u wont see the difference

 

the ghosting can get enormous on some monitors and that sucks to game with really

 

the response times are just based on grey to grey,  and 2ms monitor could be better then a 1ms monitor, but u can clearly see which monitor is better by just looking at high fps / quick movements

 

easiest way to compare monitors =

 

http://www.testufo.com/#test=ghosting

 

[skeeler88]

i think the IPS panel will be better for what I want to do just nore sure of a good price for one is.

 

[minervx]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Not all. There are shit IPS panels, there are great TN panels. You can't just blanket statement the whole class.

This is true.  Ceteris parabis, of course

[Glenwing]

Just now, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

the point is that u can see the difference, and he claimed u wont see the difference

 

the ghosting can get enormous on some monitors and that sucks to game with really

 

the response times are just based on grey to grey,  and 2ms monitor could be better then a 1ms monitor, but u can clearly see which monitor is better by just looking at high fps / quick movements

He didn't say that, he just said you can't compare response time numbers between monitors as a method of telling whether one has more ghosting than the other.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

2 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

He didn't say that, he just said you can't compare response time numbers between monitors as a method of telling whether one has more ghosting than the other.

and what i said

 

response rate actually makes a huge difference in ghosting

 

i didnt say that u can compare them looking at the sheets now did i

 

i just said it makes a huge difference

[skeeler88]

Could anyone recommend a good IPS 144hz monitor that is decently priced 

[Glenwing]

27 minutes ago, skeeler88 said:

Could anyone recommend a good IPS 144hz monitor that is decently priced 

MG279Q is a decent price for what it is. There aren't any 144 Hz IPS monitors below 1440p so prices don't go much lower than that.

[vanished]

1 hour ago, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

response rate actually makes a huge difference in ghosting, [...]

I think when you say "response time" you really mean to say "motion blur".  People often use these interchangeably since, in theory response time should be an indicator of motion blur - the lower the better - but in reality there is no reliable correlation and to get a true sense you have to look at reviews and images of the screen displaying fast motion.  The response time figure alone will not give you an accurate sense of this.

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

I think when you say "response time" you really mean to say "motion blur".  People often use these interchangeably since, in theory response time should be an indicator of motion blur - the lower the better - but in reality there is no reliable correlation and to get a true sense you have to look at reviews and images of the screen displaying fast motion.  The response time figure alone will not give you an accurate sense of this.

ghosting...

[vanished]

Just now, Valkyrie Lenneth said:

ghosting...

ok replace "motion blur" with "ghosting" then and reread

[Valkyrie Lenneth]

12 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

ok replace "motion blur" with "ghosting" then and reread

motionblur is caused from the refresh rate and isnt ghosting

 

ghosting is