Build Comparisons

[Kidnapsted]

Hey all!

 

I'm looking for a bit of help comparing the power of a couple builds.  Below are two builds I've parted out (both essentially the same except for the CPU/GPU configuration).  I have low hopes for Coffee Lake being any kind of affordable and have decided not to wait.  

 

I do mainly video editing (maximum 3 shots at a time at 1080p 60fps + WAV audio track), medium to heavy audio production work, and gaming.  I'm sure in terms of scrubbing the time line in video editing and plugin capacity in audio production software, both builds would be perfectly capable for what I need.

 

I'm most interested in achieving 144hz refresh rate 1080p gaming in open world MMO's/RPG's like World of Warcraft, Skyrim and Rift.  Which of these would probably have the most success doing so?

 

Of course the benefit of the Ryzen 5 build is that there is more of an upgrade path since I can't really rely on SLI, especially with a GTX1060.

 

Also if there are any things I should think about changing, I'd love some other feedback.

 

Thanks!

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TdB9kT

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kdKM9W

[Guest]

I would go with the first build (1600, 1070) if you want to take better advantage of 144hz in games. But the games listed honestly don't require a whole lot of power to run. But, your production work does not seem very intense to bother with an R7 so unless you plan on editing 4k soon I would stick with the 1600. Plus like you said, the AM4 platform has plenty of opportunity for upgrades.

[SquintyG33Rs]

for high fps the 1070 is the obvious contender.... but you'll be sacrificing allot of your production power allong with dropping the 1700. both are good tbh so it's up to you which side you value more.

 

i don't think even the 1080 will be able to push a fully modded skyrim to 144Hz but i have no way of confirming, and why would you ever need high refresh rate for RPG...... it's compleatly superfluous.WoW is litterally slower paced then a strategy game. either way. your rig, your games, your choices. my personal preference would go to production but i'm not you

[Kidnapsted]

5 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

for high fps the 1070 is the obvious contender.... but you'll be sacrificing allot of your production power allong with dropping the 1700. both are good tbh so it's up to you which side you value more.

 

i don't think even the 1080 will be able to push a fully modded skyrim to 144Hz but i have no way of confirming, and why would you ever need high refresh rate for RPG...... it's compleatly superfluous.WoW is litterally slower paced then a strategy game. either way. your rig, your games, your choices. my personal preference would go to production but i'm not you

Well I guess as an addendum, I'm just interested in which would be able to do the best, even if I won't be getting 144hz or will have to lower the settings.

 

As for WoW beings slow... Not if you PvPppppppeeeeeee.

 

Ahem, anyway, thanks for the input.

[Kidnapsted]

8 minutes ago, Syn Messer said:

I would go with the first build (1600, 1070) if you want to take better advantage of 144hz in games. But the games listed honestly don't require a whole lot of power to run. But, your production work does not seem very intense to bother with an R7 so unless you plan on editing 4k soon I would stick with the 1600. Plus like you said, the AM4 platform has plenty of opportunity for upgrades.

That sounds pretty logical.  Thanks for the help!

[SquintyG33Rs]

4 minutes ago, Kidnapsted said:

Well I guess as an addendum, I'm just interested in which would be able to do the best, even if I won't be getting 144hz or will have to lower the settings.

 

As for WoW beings slow... Not if you PvPppppppeeeeeee.

 

Ahem, anyway, thanks for the input.

 even with PvP i always felt wow was an old game design and too slow. then again i like playing mages.............................. sooooooo.... yeah.

 

but for game performance the 1700 gains nothing on the 1600 (which gains very little on the 1500x to be fair) so the 1070 will be the source of your gain and will obviously be much stronger than the 1060.

[SquintyG33Rs]

7 minutes ago, Kidnapsted said:

Well I guess as an addendum, I'm just interested in which would be able to do the best, even if I won't be getting 144hz or will have to lower the settings.

 

As for WoW beings slow... Not if you PvPppppppeeeeeee.

 

Ahem, anyway, thanks for the input.

oh shit i just checked more in debth your build. don't get that RAM, people think all the kits are the same and corsair lp is recomended and will always work and stuff..... buy a kit that has tighter timings for guarantied better compatibility and performance.

cas 14 or 15 the one here is cas 16 wich works most of the time now but is still pushing it. it's not all about speed

[Kidnapsted]

1 minute ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

oh shit i just checked more in debth your build. don't get that RAM, people think all the kits are the same and corsair lp is recomended and will always work and stuff..... buy a kit that has tighter timings for guarantied better compatibility and performance.

cas 14 or 15 the one here is cas 16 wich works most of the time now but is still pushing it. it's not all about speed

Ah thanks for checking!  I was told to go with corsair LPX and DDR4-3200 for Ryzen, but I don't really know anything about timings.

[seon123]

34 minutes ago, Kidnapsted said:

Ah thanks for checking!  I was told to go with corsair LPX and DDR4-3200 for Ryzen, but I don't really know anything about timings.

The LPX 3200 MHz kit has the same die as the LPX 3000 MHz kit. Hynix die. Both should work equally. Worst case scenario is just that you'll have to run the 3200 MHz kit at 2933 or 2800 MHz. 

Coffee Lake specs and prices are out. 

Spoiler

The 1600 + 1070 will have better gaming performance, but whether it's a better buy, would depend on how much you do the productivity tasks. 

If you go for the 1600, the B350 Strix should be enough. With the 1700, maybe the X370 Prime Pro?

I think the SL308 costs a bit less than the SSD you've chosen. It's a good SSD, competes with the 850 Evo.

Are you sure you want the WD Black drive instead of a cheaper or higher capacity drive?

The CX550 and 550M cost a bit less than the BQ. 

$30 more expensive than the 1600/1070 build, but with a 1700 and 1070. 

You can get a cheaper, B350 motherboard if you won't overclock past what the stock cooler can do. 

The1070 Ti is supposed to launch soon. $20 more expensive than the 1070, very nearly 1080 performance (2432 Vs 1920 Vs 2560 CUDA cores).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($148.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: *Toshiba - P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card  ($424.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($38.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus - VG248QE 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($258.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1471.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-26 15:19 EDT-0400

[SquintyG33Rs]

2 hours ago, Kidnapsted said:

Ah thanks for checking!  I was told to go with corsair LPX and DDR4-3200 for Ryzen, but I don't really know anything about timings.

timings are a count of the number of clock cycles that have to be waited before different types of opperrations can be made because if a read and write happens at the same time you'd corrupt the data (that's the short explanation anyway). this usually doesn't come into play. the memory has presets that tell the memory controller what those are and it works from that. obviously smaller numbers means less wait but faster speed also means a cycle takes less time. in general pushing the clock faster the timings have to become loosser to give more time for the opperations to complete, litterally electricity to travel and flip the transistors because nothing is instantenuous < this is a physical limit that depends on the fabrication just like CPU overclocking. it's also a form of silicon lottery.

 

so given all ram run at identical voltage lower CAS latency is like a CPU needing less voltage to run at stable higher clocks.

And Ryzen was patched to accept a wider range of timings but originally timings that are closer to the JEDEC designated standard work better. hence my recomendation. (also smaller timings mean better performance at same speed in memory tasks since it "waits" less)

 

when ddr3 just came out this was a huge source of argument and this was the factor that made RAM venders sell sticks for more money not it's speed, CAS 9 was the golden grale. now it's fallen out of marketting so it doesn't cost you more, but it's still better.

 

for reference, this is not exact, but you can expect a CAS14 3000MHz kit to perform equally to a CAS16 3600MHz kit for the ^given reasons

[Kidnapsted]

3 hours ago, seon123 said:

The LPX 3200 MHz kit has the same die as the LPX 3000 MHz kit. Hynix die. Both should work equally. Worst case scenario is just that you'll have to run the 3200 MHz kit at 2933 or 2800 MHz. 

Coffee Lake specs and prices are out. 

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The 1600 + 1070 will have better gaming performance, but whether it's a better buy, would depend on how much you do the productivity tasks. 

If you go for the 1600, the B350 Strix should be enough. With the 1700, maybe the X370 Prime Pro?

I think the SL308 costs a bit less than the SSD you've chosen. It's a good SSD, competes with the 850 Evo.

Are you sure you want the WD Black drive instead of a cheaper or higher capacity drive?

The CX550 and 550M cost a bit less than the BQ. 

$30 more expensive than the 1600/1070 build, but with a 1700 and 1070. 

You can get a cheaper, B350 motherboard if you won't overclock past what the stock cooler can do. 

The1070 Ti is supposed to launch soon. $20 more expensive than the 1070, very nearly 1080 performance (2432 Vs 1920 Vs 2560 CUDA cores).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($148.88 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: *Toshiba - P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($41.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card  ($424.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($38.99 @ Newegg) 
Monitor: Asus - VG248QE 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($258.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1471.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-26 15:19 EDT-0400

Yes I actually do want the increased reliability of a black drive because of the concert recording I do, that is a job for me.  I don't do it often enough to need a file server or anything, and I have external storage for finished projects I want to hold on to.

 

Thanks for the suggestions!  I'll definitely try to rework my list here.