Bios time longer then normal

[Walt]

Hello everyone,

Since the new windows update my PC takes 10 seconds more to boot then normal. The BIOS time in task manager says 20 seconds instead of the normal 10.4 seconds. Is there a way to fix this? (I allready looked at my startup programs) 

When I press restart after the first boot (first boot  from the day) it boots normally in 10 seconds.

Thanks!

 

EDIT: shutting it down also takes longer...

[AncientNerd]

I see a longer BIOS time when I have extended the wait for response at the BIOS startup screen. When I am tweaking my OC or have just flashed my BIOS this will help to me to catch the switch into BIOS when I don't want to boot into windows. However I have not seen this be variable (20 seconds most of the time, 10 the first boot) or have windows change it which sounds like what may be happening to you. 

 

Basically go into your BIOS and see if there is a "wait on boot" or something similar in the settings and if so see if it is set to something longer than 3-4 seconds (that's the default I have seen in many boards). 

[Walt]

19 minutes ago, AncientNerd said:

I see a longer BIOS time when I have extended the wait for response at the BIOS startup screen. When I am tweaking my OC or have just flashed my BIOS this will help to me to catch the switch into BIOS when I don't want to boot into windows. However I have not seen this be variable (20 seconds most of the time, 10 the first boot) or have windows change it which sounds like what may be happening to you. 

 

Basically go into your BIOS and see if there is a "wait on boot" or something similar in the settings and if so see if it is set to something longer than 3-4 seconds (that's the default I have seen in many boards). 

So if I change this it has no influence on the booting on windows? (I mean it's just time there is nothing happening)

[AncientNerd]

Just now, Walt said:

So if I change this it has no influence on the booting on windows? (I mean it's just time there is nothing happening)

This is the time prior to windows attempting to boot that shows the BIOS information (logo, disks, memory etc.) when you can hit DEL, or F12 or whatever your BIOS takes to go into edit your BIOS settings. It contributes to boot time because it is time between your computer being "off" and being "on" in windows and usable. But it is prior to all of the windows time, and not something you can control (normally) from windows, just from BIOS settings)

[Walt]

41 minutes ago, AncientNerd said:

This is the time prior to windows attempting to boot that shows the BIOS information (logo, disks, memory etc.) when you can hit DEL, or F12 or whatever your BIOS takes to go into edit your BIOS settings. It contributes to boot time because it is time between your computer being "off" and being "on" in windows and usable. But it is prior to all of the windows time, and not something you can control (normally) from windows, just from BIOS settings)

I think I don’t have it on my motherboard (Msi z270 gaming pro Carbon) I can’t seem to find it

 

[AncientNerd]

Just now, Walt said:

I think I don’t have it on my motherboard (Msi z270 gaming pro Carbon) I can’t seem to find it

 

Hmm, I don't loaded the manual for this board and yup you are right it doesn't look like there is any way to set that delay. Ah I just noticed a note that Fast boot should be enabled for Windows 10 if that is disabled you could be seeing an issue, also it looks to me like some of the boot sequence stuff could impact your boot times. Make sure that your actual boot order is correct, if it is looking for your OS on the wrong drive first that could slow things down. 

The last update I had from windows it moved my boot order around but that just made it so I couldn't boot it didn't slow things down - because I have just a single drive in my boot order everything else is "don't ever try to boot from this" and it moved one of the non-bootable drive to my "this is the only one to boot from" slot. 

[Walt]

31 minutes ago, AncientNerd said:

Hmm, I don't loaded the manual for this board and yup you are right it doesn't look like there is any way to set that delay. Ah I just noticed a note that Fast boot should be enabled for Windows 10 if that is disabled you could be seeing an issue, also it looks to me like some of the boot sequence stuff could impact your boot times. Make sure that your actual boot order is correct, if it is looking for your OS on the wrong drive first that could slow things down. 

The last update I had from windows it moved my boot order around but that just made it so I couldn't boot it didn't slow things down - because I have just a single drive in my boot order everything else is "don't ever try to boot from this" and it moved one of the non-bootable drive to my "this is the only one to boot from" slot. 

In the boot order it starts with the EUFI hard disk (the SSD with OS on it) so that's not the problem.

I have not enabled msi fast boost but I never had. In my head it feels like it's not a good thing. It just feels like the OS is getting pushed. (probably completely wrong) Any experience?

The BIOS time in task manager says 10.4 consistent now. I think I take a break and see further tomorrow. 
Thanks a lot!

[AncientNerd]

Just now, Walt said:

In the boot order it starts with the EUFI hard disk (the SSD with OS on it) so that's not the problem.

I have not enabled msi fast boost but I never had. In my head it feels like it's not a good thing. It just feels like the OS is getting pushed. (probably completely wrong) Any experience?

The BIOS time in task manager says 10.4 consistent now. I think I take a break and see further tomorrow. 
Thanks a lot!

Nope like you "fast boot" seemed wrong, I was just commenting so you could check. I would say as long as it is now consistent I would just watch it and see if the problem comes back. Maybe take screen shots of the bios so you know what your settings are now in case something changes in the way it acts.

[Walt]

21 hours ago, AncientNerd said:

Nope like you "fast boot" seemed wrong, I was just commenting so you could check. I would say as long as it is now consistent I would just watch it and see if the problem comes back. Maybe take screen shots of the bios so you know what your settings are now in case something changes in the way it acts.

Still have the problem  Do you think it will be fixed in an upcomming windows update? (since it caused the problem) or has it to do with something other?

 

[AncientNerd]

3 minutes ago, Walt said:

Still have the problem  Do you think it will be fixed in an upcomming windows update? (since it caused the problem) or has it to do with something other?

 

You could try rolling back the windows update and see if that fixes the issue. That will tell you if it is really the update or if it is a coincidence. 

 

Other than that I am at a bit of a loss, you have tried everything that I can think of except roll back the update to check to see if it is actually the update.

 

Have you installed anything else that could have added to services that started or anything like that?

[Walt]

On 26-9-2017 at 3:40 PM, AncientNerd said:

You could try rolling back the windows update and see if that fixes the issue. That will tell you if it is really the update or if it is a coincidence. 

 

Other than that I am at a bit of a loss, you have tried everything that I can think of except roll back the update to check to see if it is actually the update.

 

Have you installed anything else that could have added to services that started or anything like that?

I have tried searching for it but couldn't find a good answer. How do I re-rol an update?

[just_dave]

Is it the Ryzen PC? Edit: you have MSI mobos in both lol

MSI mobos FTW

One of the biggest issues with them.

[Walt]

Just now, dave_k said:

Is it the Ryzen PC?

MSI mobos FTW

One of the biggest issues with them.

No Z270 on i5 7600K

[just_dave]

1 minute ago, Walt said:

No Z270 on i5 7600K

It might be related to memory.

X399 Carbon has such problems too.

[Walt]

Just now, dave_k said:

It might be related to memory.

X399 Carbon has such problems too.

How do I check?

[just_dave]

Just now, Walt said:

How do I check?

downclock your memory to stock speed and try.

Also, there is setting in BIOS that would assign a boot type after AC loss and normal.

You want Fast Boot in both cases

[AncientNerd]

This presumes Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10.

1) Go into Control Panel/Programs/Programs and Features. 

2) Choose the "view installed updates"  option along the left hand side.

3) Find the update that is causing problems, right click and choose uninstall. However I have noticed on my machine that not all updates are uninstallable, most of the Microsoft update are, I did note that the latest Adobe patch is not...so it seems to depend.

[Walt]

11 minutes ago, AncientNerd said:

This presumes Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10.

1) Go into Control Panel/Programs/Programs and Features. 

2) Choose the "view installed updates"  option along the left hand side.

3) Find the update that is causing problems, right click and choose uninstall. However I have noticed on my machine that not all updates are uninstallable, most of the Microsoft update are, I did note that the latest Adobe patch is not...so it seems to depend.

To be certain. I can reinstall later if it's not the problem right?

[Walt]

17 minutes ago, dave_k said:

downclock your memory to stock speed and try.

Also, there is setting in BIOS that would assign a boot type after AC loss and normal.

You want Fast Boot in both cases

I can only choose about these: (but why should I change?

[just_dave]

Just now, Walt said:

I can only choose about these: (but why should I change?

Leave how it is.

MSI BIOS doesnt have so many features as Asus most likely

[Walt]

2 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Leave how it is.

MSI BIOS doesnt have so many features as Asus most likely

I figured it it's not my RAM. Don't know if I have to be happy or sad

 

 

[just_dave]

Just now, Walt said:

I figured it it's not my RAM. Don't know if I have to be happy or sad

 

 

Well, afaik, the Z270 Carbon´s PCB is identical to X370 Carbon PCB (except vcontrol) and these MSI mobos use really low end parts for usually not adequate price.

Just FYI when you will choose mobo next time.

I recommend Asus or ASRock.

Dont know what to do about the boot speed