Help with selecting hardware

[PepeCZ]

7 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

I just got my hands on the Airus Gaming 5 mb for a client and i'm DAMN impressed, was the first one I got hands on with and really really impressed by it specially for its price. 

Airus Gaming 5? Thanks for tip. Price is plus minus same..so here I have maybe good two choice.  both boards have some specialit what havent second.
 

ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F GAMING 5 131,-

GIGABYTE AORUS AX370-GAMING 5 5 093,-

 

 

Maybe that I started with motherboards bad  guys. All AM4 boards support minimal 2x nvme ssd? and all support 3200+ ram?
I found in am4 boards from +- 3500 czech krounds (160 dolars) up to 9000 czech krounds (400 dolars) small differents :-/ does any information run away from me?

[PepeCZ]

56 minutes ago, PepeCZ said:

Hm .. Evo960 have mlc too? I mean that use tlc same as lower 8xx lineup.

Hm so If Evo have mlc too, some this maybe good info.
Ofc I want buy into desktop same ssd as I bought into laptop but this ssd (Pro960) is very expensive and on desktop I prepare some budget.

So no. I will stick with my nvme ssd.

Because now I read, and Samsung Evo 960 have TLC. And I want MLC.

But it's nothink, thanks for tip. :-)

and in my country is evo960 plus minus for same price. so why pickup tlc when I have for same money mlc (ye samsung have littme higher speed but when I spent money so I prefer mlc)

 

kingstone with mlc  VS evo960 with tlc
Kingston KC1000 480GB 6 712,- without adapter (with adapter 7 014,-)
SSD disk M.2, NVMe, MLC, čtení až 2700MB/s, zápis až 1600MB/s, 550TBW

-28%

 

Samsung 960 EVO 500GB 6 847,-
SSD disk M.2, NVMe, TLC, čtení až 3200MB/s, zápis až 1800MB/s, 200TBW

[PepeCZ]

only what is bad in my eyes on kingstone is 15nm ... its really low why not use 20 or more  
Kingston KC1000 Physical Specifications:
Usable Capacities: 240GB, 480GB, 960GB
NAND Components: 15nm MLC
Interface: PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 (NVMe)
Form Factor: HHHL (Half-Height, Half-Length) adapter
NAND Controller: Phison PS5007-E7
Dimensions: 180.98 x 120.96 x 21.59mm
Drive Weight: 76g

 

But few days back I read somewhere on internet that Cruciak again create MLC SSD and build on 20 or more nanometres. And this sounds as best for me. One limited factor is maximum 500GB storage but this is ok, I want 500GB. :-) Have someone information about these new drivers from Crucial?

[PepeCZ]

what change case from NZXT S340 ELITE for BeQuiet 900 PRO?

For future proof, when I want in future upgrade on some eatx motherboard with more powerfull cpu for example TH from AMD? is it good or not, I maybe spent more money for this, only not know if is still one from best this case or exist now in september 2017 better. Is here someone who have experience with eatx cases?

Be quiet! DARK BASE PRO 900 průhledná bočnice / černá 6 282Kč

NZXT S340 Elite matná černá 2 603 Kč

[PorkishPig]

2 hours ago, PepeCZ said:

for exampe on internet rated as AM4 best motherboard Cross from Asus so here I found few minus too  and second this motherboard atack threadripper boards in my country :D:D:D price around 9500 Czech kround.

Though the motherboard you selected is well-rated, keep in mind that you are basically paying for the bragging rights of having a ROG product. True they are high-quality products, but the perks you get from purchasing this board over an equivalent Gigabyte board is not worth it in my opinion.

 

Edit: Since the prices are so similar in Czech, you may as well stick with the ROG.

Edited September 11, 2017 by Homeless_Pineapple

[Fardin]

If you think of SLI/crossfire then you should get 1000w otherwise even with a vega 64 you wont need more than 650w good psu even with peak. 

 

 

[PorkishPig]

2 hours ago, PepeCZ said:

So no. I will stick with my nvme ssd.

Because now I read, and Samsung Evo 960 have TLC. And I want MLC.

But it's nothink, thanks for tip. :-)

and in my country is evo960 plus minus for same price. so why pickup tlc when I have for same money mlc (ye samsung have littme higher speed but when I spent money so I prefer mlc)

 

kingstone with mlc  VS evo960 with tlc
Kingston KC1000 480GB 6 712,- without adapter (with adapter 7 014,-)
SSD disk M.2, NVMe, MLC, čtení až 2700MB/s, zápis až 1600MB/s, 550TBW

-28%

 

Samsung 960 EVO 500GB 6 847,-
SSD disk M.2, NVMe, TLC, čtení až 3200MB/s, zápis až 1800MB/s, 200TBW

960 EVO specifications can be found at http://www.anandtech.com/show/10698/samsung-announces-960-pro-and-960-evo-m2-pcie-ssds. Forgot the 960 Pro was the one with MLC, my bad.

32 minutes ago, PepeCZ said:

what change case from NZXT S340 ELITE for BeQuiet 900 PRO?

For future proof, when I want in future upgrade on some eatx motherboard with more powerfull cpu for example TH from AMD? is it good or not, I maybe spent more money for this, only not know if is still one from best this case or exist now in september 2017 better. Is here someone who have experience with eatx cases?

Be quiet! DARK BASE PRO 900 průhledná bočnice / černá 6 282Kč

NZXT S340 Elite matná černá 2 603 Kč

The extraordinarily higher prices to "future-proof" a case are typically not worth it. I would stick with the NZXT S340 ELITE.

[PepeCZ]

9 hours ago, Fardin said:

If you think of SLI/crossfire then you should get 1000w otherwise even with a vega 64 you wont need more than 650w good psu even with peak. 

 

 

Vega64 can have on few miliseconds power peak over 650W this I know on 100%. Really, trust me, this in egpu.io community we resulting with eGPU enclousers. Its bad bud is it true. This is why I want be ready for future proof and want buy 1000W PSU, and this seasonic is in reviews one of best for price +- 6000 Kč (1dollar is +- 22 Kč).

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/32/#post-18240
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19497
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19521
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19534
and many more

 

...I own few days sapphire vega64 in standart version (black plastic) and this high power peak on few miliseconds I can confirm :,( This is why I must give back vega64 and switch back on R9Nano in my external gpu box for my laptop...

[PepeCZ]

Guys and what switch cpu+motherboard on threadripper? good or bad? give me this switch for more money some plus?

 

now I plan buy:

AMD RYZEN 7 1700 8 440 Kč
ASUS ROG STRIX X370-F GAMING 5 131 Kč
 

 

and this is price for threadripper
..about motherboard x399, so here I not into this time created some conclusion which board is best for bucks vs performance etc. but price X399 is plus minus twice as X370)

AMD RYZEN Threadripper 1900X 14 488 Kč

[Guest]

What is this pc being used for ?

 

Any video editing/rendering or twitch streaming ?

 

Any plans to go Crossfire/SLI ?

[Fardin]

2 hours ago, PepeCZ said:

Vega64 can have on few miliseconds power peak over 650W this I know on 100%. Really, trust me, this in egpu.io community we resulting with eGPU enclousers. Its bad bud is it true. This is why I want be ready for future proof and want buy 1000W PSU, and this seasonic is in reviews one of best for price +- 6000 Kč (1dollar is +- 22 Kč).

https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/32/#post-18240
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19497
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19521
https://egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/mantis-venus/paged/34/#post-19534
and many more

 

...I own few days sapphire vega64 in standart version (black plastic) and this high power peak on few miliseconds I can confirm :,( This is why I must give back vega64 and switch back on R9Nano in my external gpu box for my laptop...

thanks for the link, I didnt know vega could reach such high peak .I gotta agree with you about peak time to keep a bit of headroom. in that case its no harm to get a good psu with extra watt thinking of future. 

 

about threadripper, no don't buy it for gaming, it is not a gaming processor. r7 1700 will do better in gaming. rest of the build seem good to me. 1700 comes with a cooler, that can handle slight overclock. 

[PepeCZ]

9 minutes ago, Fardin said:

thanks for the link, I didnt know vega could reach such high peak .I gotta agree with you about peak time to keep a bit of headroom. in that case its no harm to get a good psu with extra watt thinking of future. 

 

about threadripper, no don't buy it for gaming, it is not a gaming processor. r7 1700 will do better in gaming. rest of the build seem good to me. 1700 comes with a cooler, that can handle slight overclock. 

Vega64 in egpu enclousers reach on few milisecond easy over 650w :-/ for example matiz venus using 550w gold psu but still exist this problem. this is why I must give back into store. I myself try it and is it bad true

But about cpu, this is maybe true. So spent over 10.000 Kč more maybe not worth for this upgrade. Ok.

[Fardin]

1 minute ago, PepeCZ said:

But about cpu, this is maybe true. So spent over 10.000 Kč more maybe not worth for this upgrade. Ok.

yeah it will perform worse while costing more. not worth it. 

[PepeCZ]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

What is this pc being used for ?

 

Any video editing/rendering or twitch streaming ?

 

Any plans to go Crossfire/SLI ?

Hi, for start only my old AMD R9 Nano from MSI. But in future I want again buy Vega64 or Vega Nano. I own vega64 before cca one month but this card was into my egpu box but here I block on psu limit (my egpu box have only 550w gold psu and vega 64 have bug when on few miliseconds reach power peak over 650w, so I must give back into store).

This is why I want higher psu.

 

Wfrom start I want using my new desktop pc on gaming and streaming.

This is why I start compared 1700 vs 1900x. I know that 12core or 16core cpu is better for this, but these cpu cost in my country maybe 3,5x more than 1700 and this is more than I want give for start. (and motherboard is same situation, in my country cost X370 from 3000 kč to 6000 kč, but X399 start on +- 9000 kč up to 14000 kč, 1$=22kč)

[PepeCZ]

Guys and what case?
Isnt better  from start be ready for for example future-proof and buy case supported eatx?

This is why I start calculate if buy nzxt or bequit. I know bequit in this variant cost 3x more but in my eyes is this case one from best eatx - or exist better with lower price? ...for example wireless charging on bequit I not need because I own OnePlus5 phone, which not support wireless charging. But when I something bought, so I always trying buy best for my bucks .. as I can. <--- This is why I created account here, on linustechtips community, because always exists there are always people who understand something more than I. :-)

Be quiet! DARK BASE PRO 900 průhledná bočnice / černá 6 282Kč

NZXT S340 Elite matná černá 2 603 Kč

[just_dave]

Ahoj, i can write english only since this is eng only forum.

I know prices here are painfully assraping.

For gods sake, dont get 1000W nuclear power plant.

Get Corsair RM750x/650x 

For case i suggest Phanteks Enthoo Pro M or the P400S (both TG of course) and get the RGB adapter for Asus mobo (na mironetu).

Throw in an AIO (h100i V2) and youre good to go.

I wouldnt pick the G5 over X370-F because from both VRM and Feature aspect the X370-F is better.

[PepeCZ]

57 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Ahoj, i can write english only since this is eng only forum.

I know prices here are painfully assraping.

For gods sake, dont get 1000W nuclear power plant.

Get Corsair RM750x/650x 

For case i suggest Phanteks Enthoo Pro M or the P400S (both TG of course) and get the RGB adapter for Asus mobo (na mironetu).

Throw in an AIO (h100i V2) and youre good to go.

I wouldnt pick the G5 over X370-F because from both VRM and Feature aspect the X370-F is better.

I want be ready on future, so I need buy 1000w psu, and this seasonic is in reviews on internet one of the best.

I know that for for example ryzen 1700 and R9 nano is Seasonic 1000W overpower, but in future I want have more powerfull gpu so I want be prepared :-)

For start, if I buy Ryzen 1700 so I want be stick with version without "x" and here is prebuild cooler, I know that waterloop is better but for this cpu this isnt must have item.

 

But for what thanks is info about motherboard. Into this time I mean that new strix from asus is one for best with chipset x370 for this price. I look on X370F <- only what, I will be buying items only on alza and czc, with mironet I have only bad experience (4x laptops and always was something bad)

 

Hm and case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M sounds good. I look on some reviews. But from first look it will be maybe good. Before I start looking on support EATX so I want buy from Phanteks:  Enthoo Evolv ATX, Tempered Glass, in black color. But this case isnt prepared for EATX boards, but looks is best :-)

 

EDIT: ohh, now I see that exist from Pro M version with tempered glass and black color too :-P oh so this is maybe first item what I switch in my HW list :-)
 

PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro M, Tempered Glass, černá 3 199 Kč

[just_dave]

25 minutes ago, PepeCZ said:

I want be ready on future, so I need buy 1000w psu, and this seasonic is in reviews on internet one of the best.

I know that for for example ryzen 1700 and R9 nano is Seasonic 1000W overpower, but in future I want have more powerfull gpu so I want be prepared :-)

For start, if I buy Ryzen 1700 so I want be stick with version without "x" and here is prebuild cooler, I know that waterloop is better but for this cpu this isnt must have item.

 

But for what thanks is info about motherboard. Into this time I mean that new strix from asus is one for best with chipset x370 for this price. I look on X370F <- only what, I will be buying items only on alza and czc, with mironet I have only bad experience (4x laptops and always was something bad)

 

Hm and case Phanteks Enthoo Pro M sounds good. I look on some reviews. But from first look it will be maybe good. Before I start looking on support EATX so I want buy from Phanteks:  Enthoo Evolv ATX, Tempered Glass, in black color. But this case isnt prepared for EATX boards, but looks is best :-)

 

EDIT: ohh, now I see that exist from Pro M version with tempered glass and black color too :-P oh so this is maybe first item what I switch in my HW list

On mironet buy only the Phanteks RGB adapter.

550W can run 1080Ti. Why buy 1000W? You wont run Vega 64 3 way crossfire.

750W is well enough and future GPUs are going down in power usage.

[PepeCZ]

18 minutes ago, dave_k said:

On mironet buy only the Phanteks RGB adapter.

550W can run 1080Ti. Why buy 1000W? You wont run Vega 64 3 way crossfire.

750W is well enough and future GPUs are going down in power usage.

I want be ready on two gpu cards and more powerfull cpu in future.

I can buy thredripper 16cores but on start my project, so I select some budget - but about money, I havent problem give more .. but first I must see that project have some future and after I want give it into this more money :-) This is why I want maximum items with future-proof. This is one thing, why I start play with cpu and mobo (if buy only ryzen or immediatly pickup x399 and on start buy only 1900x and maybe in future switch on more cores cpu).

 

Now I look on Your case, Phanteks P400S Tempered Glass. This case looks great too. Some "-" or "+" versus

* NZXT S340 Elite Tempered Black 2 603,-

* Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Tempered Satin Black 3 659 Kč

* Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Tempered Black 3 199 Kč

* Be quiet! Dark Base PRO 900 Tempered Black 5 899 Kč

 

 

ThisBut maybe new winner isn't NZXT S340 Elite Tempered Black ..but.. Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Tempered Black.
Price is +- same but Enthoo Pro M is bigger (ready for EATX) and looks maybe in some situations better, what :-)

 

but yea..if someone pickup case only for nice look so Evolv Tempered Black is still winner

 

[just_dave]

@PepeCZ

The S340 feels really flimsy, if i compare my friend's S340 vs my P400S, it is much lighter and feels less sturdy