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128gb File Time

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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About how long would it take to write 128gbs to a micro SD card over USB 2.0? I calculated around 5.5 hours. I am using dd in the terminal on my mac to image it.

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If we assume a nominal transfer speed of 20-25MB/s, 1.5-2hrs


Of course you didn't list how what speed the card is.  If it's slower than the USB bus, well, then you have to considder that.

Also, that's assuming it's one large file transfer.  Moving thousands of tiny files is much, much, much, much slower, even if the total data size is the same.

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Just now, AshleyAshes said:

If we assume a nominal transfer speed of 20-25MB/s, 1.5-2hrs


Of course you didn't list how what speed the card is.  If it's slower than the USB bus, well, then you have to considder that.

Also, that's assuming it's one large file transfer.  Moving thousands of tiny files is much, much, much, much slower, even if the total data size is the same.

It's writing one large img file. The Micro SD card is 100Mb/s. It's the sandisk extreme

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2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

If we assume a nominal transfer speed of 20-25MB/s, 1.5-2hrs


Of course you didn't list how what speed the card is.  If it's slower than the USB bus, well, then you have to considder that.

Also, that's assuming it's one large file transfer.  Moving thousands of tiny files is much, much, much, much slower, even if the total data size is the same.

Over USB 2 you should be able to see about 30, but yeah, this ^

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Well if its a larger file, than since that USB 2.0 is slower, it would take longer to transfer files to your micro SD card reader because of the transfer speeds of the SD card reader. I would possibly have to think that your calculation would be about correct in terms of the speed.

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At the full theoretical speed of 60 megaBYTES per second for USB 2.0, it would take 36 minutes.

 

One gigabyte at 60MBps takes 16.6 Seconds

16.6 * 128 = 2133 seconds = About 36 minutes

 

Of course it will take a little longer than this because it won't achieve the maximum speed, but it should be pretty close.

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At the full theoretical speed of 60 megaBYTES per second for USB 2.0, it would take 36 minutes.

Of course it will take a little longer than this because it won't achieve the maximum speed, but it should be pretty close.

 

The day that USB runs anywhere near at it's full theoretical speed is the day that the tooth fairy and unicorns become real.

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At the full theoretical speed of 60 megaBYTES per second for USB 2.0, it would take 36 minutes.

 

One gigabyte at 60MBps takes 16.6 Seconds

16.6 * 128 = 2133 seconds = About 36 minutes

 

Of course it will take a little longer than this because it won't achieve the maximum speed, but it should be pretty close.

 

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The day that USB runs anywhere near at it's full theoretical speed is the day that the tooth fairy and unicorns become real.

Due to overhead and inefficiency in the protocol it's full theoretical speed is actually only about 30 MB/s, not the full 60 you might expect just by dividing 480 Mbit by 8

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8 minutes ago, njmyers3 said:

At the full theoretical speed of 60 megaBYTES per second for USB 2.0, it would take 36 minutes.

 

One gigabyte at 60MBps takes 16.6 Seconds

16.6 * 128 = 2133 seconds = About 36 minutes

 

Of course it will take a little longer than this because it won't achieve the maximum speed, but it should be pretty close.

Yeah already has taken a bit longer than 36 minutes

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No, the maximum transfer speed for USB 2.0 is 480 mbps or 60MB/s but the maximum effective rate is 53 MB/s

 

That's because data for bulk or isochronous (audio/video) transfers is split in chunks of 512-1024 bytes, and each chunk has a few bytes worth of data in front of it. Also for every few such packets of data, there's some special small packets of data that tell usb controllers and usb devices what they should expect to come on the cable. ... so you can't really send a really long stream of bytes to the card, therefore the actual maximum interface speed won't help you much.

 

USB 2.0 is also not full duplex, so one device will send a bunch of data and then pause to allow the other device to communicate in the other direction to acknowledge that the packets of data have arrived correctly, without errors, or to re-transmit corrupted packets of data.

 

Realistically, expect a maximum of around 35-38 MB/s of transfer speed in one direction through USB 2.0

 

How fast the actual speed will be will depend on the chip inside the adapter that you plug in the USB port, and then will also depend on the SD card controller chip inside the SD card - some have more memory to act as a buffer caching multiple data packets inside the sd card and then writing them in one shot in the SD card memory, others stack multiple memory chips inside the SD card or use multiple "channels" to write data to multiple chips in parallel for faster write completition times. 

 

The speed is basically limited by how fast the bits are written into the memory chips - the SD card controller has no choice but to wait until the memory chip says data is safe until it can receive more data, and that's what slows down transfer speeds.

 

HIgh end XC and newer cards usually have powerful 2-4 core controllers and stack 8, 16, even 32 memory chips and read and write to all at a time to get higher speeds.

 

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So to answer the question... if you have a 128 GiB file and you write with 30 MB/s, then you'll write the file in 128 x 1024 / 30 = 4369 seconds or 73 minutes.

 

 

If you're really bored and want to learn a lot about usb 2.0 , you can do so here: http://www.cypress.com/file/134171/download

 

or just click below:

 

001-57294_AN57294_USB_101_An_Introduction_to_Universal_Serial_Bus_2.0.pdf

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1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

If we assume a nominal transfer speed of 20-25MB/s, 1.5-2hrs


Of course you didn't list how what speed the card is.  If it's slower than the USB bus, well, then you have to considder that.

Also, that's assuming it's one large file transfer.  Moving thousands of tiny files is much, much, much, much slower, even if the total data size is the same.

It has been going to 2 hours now... Should I just abort or wait it out?

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2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Is it not giving you progress and time remaining?

Yeah usually it does and that's why I wanted an ETA to know if I typed the command in wrong. I guess I could just stop it and try again. The SD card is burning hot though so I think it is doing something

 

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Just look at the file size of the file already copied, wait 10-30s, then check the file size again... do the difference between those sizes and then divide by the number of seconds and you have your MB/s speed.

 

You have how much data was copied (to the file), you know how much data is to be copied, divide the difference by the MB/s value and you'll know how much more time you have to wait for process to be done.

 

It's basic math dudes.

 

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6 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah usually it does and that's why I wanted an ETA to know if I typed the command in wrong. I guess I could just stop it and try again. The SD card is burning hot though so I think it is doing something

 

>typed the command

why didn't you just use a graphical tool for the imaging?

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6 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

>typed the command

why didn't you just use a graphical tool for the imaging?

I am on a mac and knew, well thought I knew, how to use dd. I think I will just install the gui plugin for it and cancel this one

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It's writing one large img file. The Micro SD card is 100Mb/s. It's the sandisk extreme

FYI, that's the burst READ speed (and it's actually 90MB/s from what I can tell), not the sustained WRITE speed. The write speed on those cards is closer to 65MB/s. USB 2.0 is limited to 60MB/s and in the real world you'll maybe get like 30-50MB/s, so if you get optimal performance (and are writing large files, not small files) and don't have thermal issues (you probably will with a long transfer on an SD card) you should be able to transfer 128GB in about 45min. Realistically it will be closer 1-1.5hrs.

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Having issues with a Corsair AIO? Possible fix here:

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Are you getting weird fan behavior, speed fluctuations, and/or other issues with Link?

Are you running AIDA64, HWinfo, CAM, or HWmonitor? (ASUS suite & other monitoring software often have the same issue.)

Corsair Link has problems with some monitoring software so you may have to change some settings to get them to work smoothly.

-For AIDA64: First make sure you have the newest update installed, then, go to Preferences>Stability and make sure the "Corsair Link sensor support" box is checked and make sure the "Asetek LC sensor support" box is UNchecked.

-For HWinfo: manually disable all monitoring of the AIO sensors/components.

-For others: Disable any monitoring of Corsair AIO sensors.

That should fix the fan issue for some Corsair AIOs (H80i GT/v2, H110i GTX/H115i, H100i GTX and others made by Asetek). The problem is bad coding in Link that fights for AIO control with other programs. You can test if this worked by setting the fan speed in Link to 100%, if it doesn't fluctuate you are set and can change the curve to whatever. If that doesn't work or you're still having other issues then you probably still have a monitoring software interfering with the AIO/Link communications, find what it is and disable it.

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