A CPU for Gaming

[PaulG|heulboje21]

Hey Guys,

 

I am building (another) computer for (another) friend.

This time its for gaming only. With a budget of Around 1000-1150€ what is the best gaming CPU I can get in that Price Range?

I was thinking I5 7600k, because as far as I know that processor still is the best for gamign in sort of a "midrange" Computer Setup

 

Sincerely

Paul/heulboje21

[Gungpae]

People going to say:

Ryzen 5 1600

[EPPHO]

I would rather take R5 1600 and put the extra money on GPU.

[Brooksie359]

11 minutes ago, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

Hey Guys,

 

I am building (another) computer for (another) friend.

This time its for gaming only. With a budget of Around 1000-1150€ what is the best gaming CPU I can get in that Price Range?

I was thinking I5 7600k, because as far as I know that processor still is the best for gamign in sort of a "midrange" Computer Setup

 

Sincerely

Paul/heulboje21

the r5 1600 is the best for gaming atm. with all the performance increases with ryzen the r5 1600 is actually comparable with the i7 7800x in gaming. it is also much cheaper than a i5 7600k when factoring in after market cooler and motherboard cost.

[Varpin]

R5 1600

[PaulG|heulboje21]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

the r5 1600 is the best for gaming atm. with all the performance increases with ryzen the r5 1600 is actually comparable with the i7 7800x in gaming. it is also much cheaper than a i5 7600k when factoring in after market cooler and motherboard cost.

The thing is, it will propably be cooled by the A240G anyway, so the cooler is already "bought".

 

 

4 minutes ago, frozeNNN said:

I would rather take R5 1600 and put the extra money on GPU.

The question here is:

Is a better GPU necessary if all he does is 1080p gaming?

You dont necessarily need a 1070 for that as far as I know, and he is just buying a new 1080 monitor.

[EPPHO]

Just now, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

The question here is:

Is a better GPU necessary if all he does is 1080p gaming?

You dont necessarily need a 1070 for that as far as I know, and he is just buying a new 1080 monitor.

Actually a 1070 would be better choice for 1080p than let's say 1060 or RX580. Also there are RX Vega cards coming out soon so we will see how they perform and their price range.

[Brooksie359]

Just now, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

The thing is, it will propably be cooled by the A240G anyway, so the cooler is already "bought".

 

 

The question here is:

Is a better GPU necessary if all he does is 1080p gaming?

You dont necessarily need a 1070 for that as far as I know, and he is just buying a new 1080 monitor.

yes but with the r5 1600 you get the gaming performance and a 6 core 12 thread cpu that can also do any productivity task you ask of it as well as multitask way better than the i5. yeah you can get the i5 but the motherboard is going to cost more and you are essentially losing out on 2 cores and 8 threads that you would get with the r5 1600.

[PaulG|heulboje21]

Just now, Brooksie359 said:

yes but with the r5 1600 you get the gaming performance and a 6 core 12 thread cpu that can also do any productivity task you ask of it as well as multitask way better than the i5. yeah you can get the i5 but the motherboard is going to cost more and you are essentially losing out on 2 cores and 8 threads that you would get with the r5 1600.

But if you dont do productivity tasks at all? If you want raw game performance isnt the i5 better right now?

Because not only is Single Core Performance stronger on the i5, also its more Overclockable and also important, it's IPCs should be better as far as I know.

 

 

One more thing that might clear up my doubts:

Anyone know wheter 1151 is going to get another update?

Or is Coffe Lake presumably going on a new chipset and socket?

As far as I know Coffee Lake is going to be 6/12 Chips or at least 6/6 for the i5, that would need a new socket type wouldnt it?

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

But if you dont do productivity tasks at all? If you want raw game performance isnt the i5 better right now?

Because not only is Single Core Performance stronger on the i5, also its more Overclockable and also important, it's IPCs should be better as far as I know.

 

 

One more thing that might clear up my doubts:

Anyone know wheter 1151 is going to get another update?

Or is Coffe Lake presumably going on a new chipset and socket?

As far as I know Coffee Lake is going to be 6/12 Chips or at least 6/6 for the i5, that would need a new socket type wouldnt it?

that is not known yet whether the knew arc will be on lga 1151. but you talk like single core performance is king when it comes to games which isn't the case otherwise the 7700k wouldn't get better performance than the 7600k.

[AvocadosGuac]

4 minutes ago, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

But if you dont do productivity tasks at all? If you want raw game performance isnt the i5 better right now?

Because not only is Single Core Performance stronger on the i5, also its more Overclockable and also important, it's IPCs should be better as far as I know.

 

 

One more thing that might clear up my doubts:

Anyone know wheter 1151 is going to get another update?

Or is Coffe Lake presumably going on a new chipset and socket?

As far as I know Coffee Lake is going to be 6/12 Chips or at least 6/6 for the i5, that would need a new socket type wouldnt it?

The R5 is going to have better minimums, and in 3 years when games are built with cores(dx12) in mind, performance is only going to increase.

[Brooksie359]

5 minutes ago, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

But if you dont do productivity tasks at all? If you want raw game performance isnt the i5 better right now?

Because not only is Single Core Performance stronger on the i5, also its more Overclockable and also important, it's IPCs should be better as far as I know.

 

 

One more thing that might clear up my doubts:

Anyone know wheter 1151 is going to get another update?

Or is Coffe Lake presumably going on a new chipset and socket?

As far as I know Coffee Lake is going to be 6/12 Chips or at least 6/6 for the i5, that would need a new socket type wouldnt it?

now if you watch this if you dont believe that the r5 1600 is a good gaming cpu.

[Polakki]

Maybe 7700k? About 300€ in germany? 

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, Polakki said:

Maybe 7700k? About 300€ in germany? 

I dont think its realistic with the total system budget. you wouldnt have enough money for a nice gpu if you bought the 7700k. 

[Dobby_is_free]

18 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

yes but with the r5 1600 you get the gaming performance and a 6 core 12 thread cpu that can also do any productivity task you ask of it as well as multitask way better than the i5. yeah you can get the i5 but the motherboard is going to cost more and you are essentially losing out on 2 cores and 8 threads that you would get with the r5 1600.

More cores doesn't mean it's better

 

Edit: also most games right now don't use more than 4 cores I personally have the 7600k and would recommend it

Edited July 29, 2017 by Dobby_is_free

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, Dobby_is_free said:

More cores doesn't mean it's better

 

Edit: also most games right now don't use more than 4 cores I personally have the 7600k and would recommend it

yes but having the same gaming performance with more cores for lower cost does. the r5 1600 is equal in gaming with the i5 and beats it by a mile in productivity.

[Dobby_is_free]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

yes but having the same gaming performance with more cores for lower cost does. the r5 1600 is equal in gaming with the i5 and beats it by a mile in productivity.

In a way the 7600k is better because it's a unlocked CPU while the R5 1600 is locked. The i5 can get to 4.5 GHz with a decent cooler

[begadelavela]

what is a build theme color?

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Dobby_is_free said:

In a way the 7600k is better because it's a unlocked CPU while the R5 1600 is locked. The i5 can get to 4.5 GHz with a decent cooler

the R5 1600 also unlocked .......

you clearly dont know much about the r5 1600

[Dobby_is_free]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

the R5 1600 also unlocked .......

you clearly dont know much about the r5 1600

Honestly I don't. I have never trusted AMD though and don't know if I ever will

[Brooksie359]

Just now, Dobby_is_free said:

Honestly I don't. I have never trusted and though and don't know if I ever will

well then you should probably stop comparing the two if you dont know about them both. 

[Brooksie359]

I think in the end you have to choose if you want to go with the r5 1600 or the i5 7600k. Anything other than those aren't really worth it. Maybe a 7700 on a b250 would also be an option. I would argue that the r5 1600 is the better option for a couple of reasons. One the cpu is on am4 which is going to have new cpus released on it till 2020. The second reason being it has many more cores and threads meaning you can multitasking with dual monitors and do other productivity tasks without having to worry about your cpu not being strong enough. The third and final reason being that newer games are being optimized for more cores and will be able to leverage the full potential of the r5 1600 increasing its gaming performance where as the i5 will always be stuck at its current performance and will start to fall behind as games become more cpu intensive.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PaulG|heulboje21 said:

The thing is, it will propably be cooled by the A240G anyway, so the cooler is already "bought".

 

 

The question here is:

Is a better GPU necessary if all he does is 1080p gaming?

You dont necessarily need a 1070 for that as far as I know, and he is just buying a new 1080 monitor.

A better GPU is always a good thing for gaming if the CPU can handle it and one has enough ram. 

 

Hell i sometimes game on my 1080P monitor 60hz using my GPU always nice to use higher MSAA and ultra settings and knowing next few years all games will be able to max out at high-ultra at that resolution no worries. 

 

1060-580 i know first hand doesn't have enough power for ultra 1080P 60hz but its more then adequate for reasonable settings at even 1440P. 

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=29159

 

One can see a 1060 is already only gaming at 60 on average not minimum at those settings i just randomly looked up that as an example 

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/1/8189_02_playerunknowns-battlegrounds-benchmarked-cpu-gpu-war.png

 

Another example 1060 not even hitting 60fps 

 

[Guest]

Ryzen 5 looks better for gaming against the I5 then the Ryzen 7 does to the I7. Ryzen 3 on average is between a I3 and a lower clocked I5 when OC. 

 

Going with more threads and more cores is a good idea for future titles having only 4 threads is really starting to limit max FPS and frame-times often having higher spikes. 

 

Best gaming CPU is the 7700K OC that thing to 4.6Ghz or 5-5.2Ghz delidded  

Can't afford that get a Ryzen 1600 OC it to 3.8-4.0 on the stock cooler and in 4 years upgrade to a newer ryzen chip on the same platform or keep what you got. 

 

2500K is aging terribly compared to the 2600K and that is only over it having more threads to be honest if the I5 was a 4 core 8 threaded CPU i would probably recommend that over the ryzen 1600 for gaming but not for longevity as that platform is dead

 

End of this year or next year will give consumers a lot of options with coffee lake i actually expect Amd to have a real massive fight and i see price drops happening across the board.