7700 vs 7700k

[Linus Tech Tits]

For gaming is there significant difference between them?

I was about to buy a 7700k and z170 board but my friend told me to get a 7700 and h110 board instead and put the extra budget into a gpu.

 

Assuming I overclock 7700k to5.0 ghz, is there noticible gain in fps/more stable fps compared to 7700@ 4.2ghz?

[Guest]

holy fucking shit that avatar and that almost same name

[tom_w141]

Your friend is right. You'll see more fps with a better GPU than CPU.

[Linus Tech Tits]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

holy fucking shit that avatar and that almost same name

To be honest I was surprised this username was not taken

[tom_w141]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

holy fucking shit that avatar and that almost same name

IKR pretty sure that's borderline of what is allowed  wouldn't be surprised if that changed.

[Guest]

just lazy to type, sorry Princess but your help is appreciated

20 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Budget, I personally never felt that overclocking adds significant performance to justify the extra cost Intel gave us with the Z chipset and much superior cooling requirements.

 

The 7700 isn't bottlenecking the 1080ti at 2560x1080p80hz which is my display settings so it never really seemed to matter, people often try to sell the idea overclocking is a must but that just not true, even in the idea of better longevity it makes little sense to me as I can just again grab a significantly much cheaper brand new motherboard (h110m equivalency) and again pair with a 10nm Canon Lake locked i7 6c/12t goodness here in a couple of years.

 

From financially stand point it makes better sense in my personal opinion.

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Linus Tech Tits said:

To be honest I was surprised this username was not taken

I would change the avatar for the sake of community and avoid confusion or slightly modify it

[Linus Tech Tits]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Your friend is right. You'll see more fps with a better GPU than CPU.

Will 7700k last longer? I am planning to use this setup for at least three year

[tom_w141]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

I would change the avatar for the sake of community and avoid confusion or slightly modify it

Though if they do nothing about it I'd find a decent news story and post in the news section. Purely because then Linus will have to say "Linus Tech Tits" on the WAN show  

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, Linus Tech Tits said:

Will 7700k last longer? I am planning to use this setup for at least three year

7700k would stay relevant for longer because you can squeeze more life long term usability by overclocking it. However we are talking 5+ years here. The 7700 will be fine for 3

 

EDIT: Got rid of "life" because its misleading as an overclock will reduce the operating life of the component (however we are talking like 10+ years down to 7-8) so not an issue but worth correcting.

[YedZed]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Though if they do nothing about it I'd find a decent news story and post in the news section. Purely because then Linus will have to say "Linus Tech Tits" on the WAN show  

OMG YESSSSS

[Princess Luna]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

I would change the avatar for the sake of community and avoid confusion or slightly modify it

To be fair I think the account will either be banned by the end of the day or mods will give him the opportunity to change the name...

 

Any ways thanks for finding that quote, yes as I mentioned before you're much better off saving as much money as you can with the cheapest ever h110m board, stock cooling and the locked i7 to afford a better GPU which will weight more.

 

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Linus Tech Tits said:

Will 7700k last longer? I am planning to use this setup for at least three year

Realistic speaking, no, they will last the same amount of time with the difference being quite minimal and my bets are that an i7 7700 will be relatively up-to-date processor even for 5 years from now.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Though if they do nothing about it I'd find a decent news story and post in the news section. Purely because then Linus will have to say "Linus Tech Tits" on the WAN show  

never recall them actually saying OP name in the wanshow and would ehm be against Twitch maybe for saying those type of things

 

wouldn't be surprised if Wan Show ends up with a text saying This broadcast contains adult content or smt

[YedZed]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

To be fair I think the account will either be banned by the end of the day or mods will give him the opportunity to change the name...

All he needs is a clever photoshop to the pic and he'll be golden  

[Coaxialgamer]

IMO , don't get the 7700  . You lose the main benefit of kabylake ( high clocks ) because the 7700 is clocked at 3.6ghz , an d you're still paying 300$ for the chip . I'd recommend either getting the r5 1600 and spending the money on a gpu.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

10 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Though if they do nothing about it I'd find a decent news story and post in the news section. Purely because then Linus will have to say "Linus Tech Tits" on the WAN show  

Full Linuception: we need someone to write a news piece about "famous tech youtuber seeks CPU advice on forum", then OP writes thread about it in the news subsection, then it gets covered in the WAN show  

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by SpaceGhostC2C

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

IMO , don't get the 7700  . You lose the main benefit of kabylake ( high clocks ) because the 7700 is clocked at 3.6ghz , an d you're still paying 300$ for the chip . 

I agree with everything @Princess Cadencesaid in terms of performance, but I agree with you that the 7700 is priced too high for what it is (in comparison with other 1151 products). You may as well get a 6700K and run it at stock on an H110 board (provided OP doesn't plan on using the stock cooler, otherwise we need to take that into account). 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

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The thing is depending on the country you're buying it the i7 7700 is actually cheaper than the i7 6700k like it is the case here in Brazil go figure why...

[Linus Tech Tits]

 

16 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

I would change the avatar for the sake of community and avoid confusion or slightly modify it

Changed.

 

14 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

To be fair I think the account will either be banned by the end of the day or mods will give him the opportunity to change the name...

 

Any ways thanks for finding that quote, yes as I mentioned before you're much better off saving as much money as you can with the cheapest ever h110m board, stock cooling and the locked i7 to afford a better GPU which will weight more.

 

Felt safer now.Hope I won't get banned as this username is golden.

 

8 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

IMO , don't get the 7700  . You lose the main benefit of kabylake ( high clocks ) because the 7700 is clocked at 3.6ghz , an d you're still paying 300$ for the chip . I'd recommend either getting the r5 1600 and spending the money on a gpu.

My concern is I have to pair them with expensive 3200mhz ram and lack of igpu making the system unusable without a gpu(still trying to source reasonably priced gpu)

[Linus Tech Tits]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

The thing is depending on the country you're buying it the i7 7700 is actually cheaper than the i7 6700k like it is the case here in Brazil go figure why...

6700k price is almost the same as 7700k actually and ryzen 1600 is 50 dollar cheaper than both of them 

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Linus Tech Tits said:

My concern is I have to pair them with expensive 3200mhz ram and lack of igpu making the system unusable without a gpu(still trying to source reasonably priced gpu)

The i7 7700 outperforms the Ryzen 5 1600 regardless

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Linus Tech Tits said:

 

My concern is I have to pair them with expensive 3200mhz ram and lack of igpu making the system unusable without a gpu(still trying to source reasonably priced gpu)

Fair enough on the gpu ( though a placeholder gt 210 could do the trick ).

However , you really don't need an expensive ddr4 kit . My inexpensive 2800mhz kit was easily  capable of 3200mhz once overclocked, and any other kit 2666 or above should be able to do the same . Plus , you get diminishing returns on ram above 2933 , even on ryzen.

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

The i7 7700 outperforms the Ryzen 5 1600 regardless

not really tbh . It has less cores , and the lower clocks speed of 3.6ghz mean its single core performance is nothing spectacular. Plus , the 1600 can be overclocked to 3.8 on a stock cooler , pretty much negating any difference.

[Princess Luna]

7 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

not really tbh . It has less cores , and the lower clocks speed of 3.6ghz mean its single core performance is nothing spectacular. Plus , the 1600 can be overclocked to 3.8 on a stock cooler , pretty much negating any difference.

If you manage to overclock an r5 1600 to 4ghz, get 3200mhz ram working it still barely reaches an i7 6700.

 

You're not taking into account the fact that the i7 turbo boosts to 4.2ghz, that Kaby Lake IPC is superior, handles memory better since no infinity fabric and so on.

 

Don't get me wrong I have advised r5 1600 plenty enough and I really love the processor but you're not being accurate with your statements, the i7 7700 is better performing chip, it just isn't always the best value.