Is 290x essentially pointless now?

[ChrisxIxCross]

After looking at graphs is there any reason to get a 290x over 290 at this point? Im planning to sell my 780 and run crossfire btw.

[delet my acc pls]

No not really, i think the 290X was more to boost the 290.

Also especially since you can bios flash into a 290X

[Mak]

Sell your 780? Are you crazy?! Crossfire 290's, what are you running higher than 1440p? That 780 is more than powerful enough for anything up till 1440p...

[MbV93]

After looking at graphs is there any reason to get a 290x over 290 at this point? Im planning to sell my 780 and run crossfire btw.

 

Why don't you SLI that 780?

[JohnnyGrey]

After looking at graphs is there any reason to get a 290x over 290 at this point? Im planning to sell my 780 and run crossfire btw.

 

That's like selling a delicious apple to buy a delicious orange. Both taste great, and both are nutritional.

 

If you want to run two cards, get a second 780.

[ChillKyle]

Why don't you SLI that 780?

Exactly. I would be gald to SLI some 780's

[ChrisxIxCross]

Why don't you SLI that 780?

I would but after already testing BF4 with sli 780s (borrowed my friends) I cannot push 120-140 fps ultra 1080p like i had hoped. This is due to the cpu bottleneck where basically the gpus have more power than max frames my cpu can support. This is why you see ALL gpu benchmarking by Linus/TTL/ToT etc. is done on a 3960x test bed to ensure the lowest cpu bottleneck possible thus more frames. With mantle it eliminates ALL cpu bottlenecking and makes the game GPU Bound so i would see perfect multi card scaling and ultra 120-140 fps no problem.

[ChrisxIxCross]

That's like selling a delicious apple to buy a delicious orange. Both taste great, and both are nutritional.

If you want to run two cards, get a second 780.

Read my last reply, Mantle is my main reasoning behind doing this.

[FatalWaffles]

I would but after already testing BF4 with sli 780s (borrowed my friends) I cannot push 120-140 fps ultra 1080p like i had hoped. This is due to the cpu bottleneck where basically the gpus have more power than max frames my cpu can support. With mantle which eliminates ALL cpu bottlenecking and makes the game GPU Bound i would see perfect multi card scaling and ultra 120-140 fps no problem.

 

 

Read my last reply, Mantle is my main reasoning behind doing this.

 

If Mantle is your main reasoning I would wait to see what sort of performance we get from it on Battlefield 4.

 

I guess I should give my opinion on the main question too. I personally don't see any reason to get a 290x over a 290 right now because you can get roughly the same performance or a little less for $150 cheaper. Maybe that will change with non-reference models though?

[ChrisxIxCross]

If Mantle is your main reasoning I would wait to see what sort of performance we get from it on Battlefield 4.

I already saw all i needed to see which is eliminating the cpu bottleneck completely. This is why you dont see gpus in sli/crossfire setups getting perfect 99% usages becuase of being limited by dx11 and the cpu incapable of providing enough power. Now keep in mind in SP titles yes multi gpu does just fine, but once you get into cpu intensive games like BF4 64p, THAT is when u start running into issues when youre trying to push 120fps + on ultra. Because of mantle even a quadgpu setup which Linus adamantly has said is pointless and stupid now actually WILL scale almost perfectly because the cpu is no longer a limiting factor.

[Archoson]

I would just add another 780 in, I don't really see the reasoning behind 120fps +. But that's just me.

[ChrisxIxCross]

I would just add another 780 in, I don't really see the reasoning behind 120fps +. But that's just me.

I have a 144hz monitor if i had 1440p 60hz or something my 780 alone would be enough.

[Archoson]

I have a 144hz monitor if i had 1440p 60hz or something my 780 alone would be enough.

Okay I guess that explains it, and to answer your question by my personal opinion the 290x is utterly useless, I saw one in my friends computer and he traded it in for a 290 and lost only like 2 frames (gained them back because his 290x was a bad overclocker and his 290 is an amazing one).

[Preston]

Do we even have benchmarks for improvements gained by Mantle yet?

[Andrew0472]

I already saw all i needed to see which is eliminating the cpu bottleneck completely. 

I doubt a 3770k at 4.5 will bottleneck you at all. Don't you need an amd cpu for mantle anyway?

[S1lentThund3r]

You do not need an AMD CPU for mantle. It is not even confirmed that Mantle will be AMD exclusive. CPU bottlenecks are very hard to hit. A 4670k (or a 3570k) will not bottleneck most rigs, and i7 even less so.

[ChrisxIxCross]

I doubt a 3770k at 4.5 will bottleneck you at all. Don't you need an amd cpu for mantle anyway?

In SP games that are not cpu intensive of course not. BUT the main game which i play is BF4, involves a LOT more cpu power in 64p multiplayer. And ANY cpu hogging game is bad news for multigpu - fluctuating card usages which in turn causes visible stuttering in game, a KNOWN problem in multi card setups. Soo mantle which demonstrated that there is No more cpu bottleneck, multi gpu is a much more compelling option now.

[hehehehhehehehe]

After looking at graphs is there any reason to get a 290x over 290 at this point? Im planning to sell my 780 and run crossfire btw.

Also especially since you can bios flash into a 290X

Not even close to all of them..

It appears to be atm mostly powercolor and xfx that have had unlockable 290x chips.

[MegaTechPC]

If BF4 is your only concern then Mantle is a very good reason for wanting to go AMD.  The 290X is not pointless as not all 290's can be flashed to 290X's but two 290's would be plenty powerful enough without having to flash them so yes, that would be a great way for you to go...

[ChrisxIxCross]

If BF4 is your only concern then Mantle is a very good reason for wanting to go AMD.  The 290X is not pointless as not all 290's can be flashed to 290X's but two 290's would be plenty powerful enough without having to flash them so yes, that would be a great way for you to go...

Thank you! You seem to be the only one to understand my reasoning lol Mantle is literally a godsend for running multigpu on cpu intensive multiplayer games. Now if AMD can just hurry the hell up and lift the embargo on the non-reference coolers

[Najuno]

If you go with the R9 290 CF you gonna save some money in comparison to  a R9 290X CF.

 

But a lot ppl that wanted to unlock their GPU´s to a R9 290X are a bit disappointed now because it seems like that first unlockable batch of cards is pretty much gone by now and the later cards all have the laser cut within the chip.

 

But nevertheless the R9 290 is a great card for its value.

 

Enjoy the CF power .

 

GreetZ naj