Need help deciding on a processor.

[BeatConductor]

I was thinking of getting a xeon and not oc'ing at all for a cheaper red/black mobo.

I've never really looked into the xeon line. What are the pros/cons there? I've seen them used in workstations frequently.

[WoodenMarker]

I've never really looked into the xeon line. What are the pros/cons there? I've seen them used in workstations frequently.

They're tested to run 24/7 and more stable than standard cpus. Other than that, they can't really be oc'ed. (There's always a way to do it but it ain't easy)

[BeatConductor]

They're tested to run 24/7 and more stable than standard cpus. Other than that, they can't really be oc'ed. (There's always a way to do it but it ain't easy)

I don't see how getting a xeon would really be any cheaper.

[WoodenMarker]

I don't see how getting a xeon would really be any cheaper.

They perform like i7's but are cheaper. They have a lower price.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/285MP

[BeatConductor]

They perform like i7's but are cheaper. They have a lower price.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/285MP

Oh, ok. That makes more sense then. I'll have to enter that into my calculations as well then.

[MangoJuiceStain]

3770k is great for gaming and is cheap.

[asusfan]

wow there is some mixed messaging here regarding budget , Intel vs AMD, well i am going to stick with the thread topic you are asking about the CPU, if you go for the new gen stuff they are both pretty much good enough to cover all the things you need, if you want mild over clocking look into keeping things simple and use the manufactures software you should get with a good motherboard.

 

to me if your building a new system start of with the following steps and filter down the list to what you can get.

 

1. total budget

2. form factor

3. Intel or AMD

4. onboard or dedicated graphics

 

that should thin the list and options down a little, then decide other things like;

 

# of cores / make and specs of cpu

liquid or air cooler for cpu

make and spec of m/board (as now you will have dicided the cpu so choose one that fits and to the budget)

Nvidia or AMD graphics

case (one that fits the selected components and will work well for the cooling system)

PSU

storage

and you get the picture filter down the components and see if everything comes within the budget if not you will have to lower the specs / change stuff etc until it works out.

 

one thing to look for now is a basic $100 SSD (sata3) for windows and a good SSHD (seagate) for main storage or just a single SSHD if on real tigth budget.

 

hope that helps....

[BeatConductor]

wow there is some mixed messaging here regarding budget , Intel vs AMD, well i am going to stick with the thread topic you are asking about the CPU, if you go for the new gen stuff they are both pretty much good enough to cover all the things you need, if you want mild over clocking look into keeping things simple and use the manufactures software you should get with a good motherboard.

 

to me if your building a new system start of with the following steps and filter down the list to what you can get.

 

1. total budget

2. form factor

3. Intel or AMD

4. onboard or dedicated graphics

 

that should thin the list and options down a little, then decide other things like;

 

# of cores / make and specs of cpu

liquid or air cooler for cpu

make and spec of m/board (as now you will have dicided the cpu so choose one that fits and to the budget)

Nvidia or AMD graphics

case (one that fits the selected components and will work well for the cooling system)

PSU

storage

and you get the picture filter down the components and see if everything comes within the budget if not you will have to lower the specs / change stuff etc until it works out.

 

one thing to look for now is a basic $100 SSD (sata3) for windows and a good SSHD (seagate) for main storage or just a single SSHD if on real tigth budget.

 

hope that helps....

That does help. I guess my real question now that i think about it was is intel really worth the extra money? It seems as if the answer was still no unless i need a motherboard with 7 PCI-e slots, which i don't.

Also, since i am looking into overclocking, from what i've read, the higher end mother boards are better to go with due to power delivery and overall "higher endness" with the beefier and higher grade components.

[asusfan]

all i can advice to is "never cheap out on your motherboard" its like the backbone to your system, everything else that attaches to it / plugs in is easy to change, if you have to change a m/board its a pain and you most likely have to do a full re-install.

just the best you can afford with the socket and features you need.

stuff like the ROG boards are extreme editions, not always required, something like a Grython or Sabertooth standard of board is going to be more than enough for what you need (i think) and look at the other makes like msi, gigabyte they make gaming boards (apparently)

 

everything will pritty much be decided once you picked your form factor ./ cpu make and motherboard.

then you look at cases and cooling etc.

[BeatConductor]

all i can advice to is "never cheap out on your motherboard" its like the backbone to your system, everything else that attaches to it / plugs in is easy to change, if you have to change a m/board its a pain and you most likely have to do a full re-install.

just the best you can afford with the socket and features you need.

stuff like the ROG boards are extreme editions, not always required, something like a Grython or Sabertooth standard of board is going to be more than enough for what you need (i think) and look at the other makes like msi, gigabyte they make gaming boards (apparently)

 

everything will pritty much be decided once you picked your form factor ./ cpu make and motherboard.

then you look at cases and cooling etc.

That's the conclusion i have come to as well. I was going to go with the Sabertooth but the Crosshair V isn't really that much more expensive and it is a much better asthetic for me and i like a lot of the features it has. I understand that there are probably quite a few features that i won't ever use, but, i like having the options to use them as well. My only concern when going with this platform was that AMD stopped making their am3+ line of processors. So that means that when i want to upgrade later i'll be needing to buy a new motherboard as well as a processor.

[ChillKyle]

Here's My build if you need something under 1500$

CPU: Intel i5 4670K

Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65

RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1866Hrz (2x4GB)

GPU: MSI GTX 760 2GB

Case: NZXT Phantom 530

SSD: Samsung 128GB Pro

HDD: Western Digital WD10EURX 1TB OEM

PSU: Corsair RM 850Watt

Display: LG 47Inch 1080p LED

Cooling: NZXT Kraken x60

[asusfan]

That's the conclusion i have come to as well. I was going to go with the Sabertooth but the Crosshair V isn't really that much more expensive and it is a much better asthetic for me and i like a lot of the features it has. I understand that there are probably quite a few features that i won't ever use, but, i like having the options to use them as well. My only concern when going with this platform was that AMD stopped making their am3+ line of processors. So that means that when i want to upgrade later i'll be needing to buy a new motherboard as well as a processor.

OK i understand that, however i didn't know they was stopping the AM3+ socket, maybe there next gen will be something different or all apu, and it still could fit AM3+ not sure until its final.

 

the other option is to go for a m-atx rig and go for the new ROG m-atx boards as they will be cheaper than a full on ATX ROG board.

and then get a happy medium i5 or i7 cpu, as that should keep you going for a few years and then see what intel come up with to replace it later.

 

 

yes so many options most of the time peoples choice is limited to there budget. still a good m/board is a good choice as its easy to swap the other components, just make sure you get the latest gen of board.

[BeatConductor]

OK i understand that, however i didn't know they was stopping the AM3+ socket, maybe there next gen will be something different or all apu, and it still could fit AM3+ not sure until its final.

 

the other option is to go for a m-atx rig and go for the new ROG m-atx boards as they will be cheaper than a full on ATX ROG board.

and then get a happy medium i5 or i7 cpu, as that should keep you going for a few years and then see what intel come up with to replace it later.

 

 

yes so many options most of the time peoples choice is limited to there budget. still a good m/board is a good choice as its easy to swap the other components, just make sure you get the latest gen of board.

I may have misunderstood what i heard but i think i remember it was either linus, ToT, or tek syndicate, but one of them mentioned that the 9590 was the last am3+ chip that AMD was going to design as they wanted to focus more on the apu line. I also considered M-atx, but i am looking at the new innovations in SSD technology and i would like to have some extra pci slots for a second gpu later and a new ssd that goes in the pci slot. This was talked about in the last wan show.

[BeatConductor]

Here's My build if you need something under 1500$

CPU: Intel i5 4670K

Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65

RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1866Hrz (2x4GB)

GPU: MSI GTX 760 2GB

Case: NZXT Phantom 530

SSD: Samsung 128GB Pro

HDD: Western Digital WD10EURX 1TB OEM

PSU: Corsair RM 850Watt

Display: LG 47Inch 1080p LED

Cooling: NZXT Kraken x60

Is this 1500 including the monitor?