General questions about NAS

[NaorG]

I dont have a nas but I'm curious about what it can do with it.

so I might have more questions leading from your answer.

1. Can i use NAS as a Cloud and connect frome anywhere via Wi-Fi?
2. Wen i connect it to my router i see it as a drive? If so can i install a game to it and use it a a storege for games?
3. Dos NAS support ride 0?
4. That wen i look for NAS what should I be looking for?
5. Wen i look for HDD for the NAD what should I be looking for?

[domandric034]

35 minutes ago, NaorG said:

I dont have a nas but I'm curious about what it can do with it.

so I might have more questions leading from your answer.

1. Can i use NAS as a Cloud and connect frome anywhere via Wi-Fi?
2. Wen i connect it to my router i see it as a drive? If so can i install a game to it and use it a a storege for games?
3. Dos NAS support ride 0?
4. That wen i look for NAS what should I be looking for?
5. Wen i look for HDD for the NAD what should I be looking for?

1. If you have Wi-Fi capable router then you can.

2. You can use for storage for games but they will load seriously slow, only if you gigabit network or even 10 gigabit network

3. Yes it supports RAID 0 but use RAID 5 instead. Much Much safer

4. Build your own custom NAS

5. Western Digital Red drives are way to go.

[Anghammarad]

1. Depends on your router and Internet provider and the NAS OS. If the first two aren't blocking such use (where there are many options that can make such a use impossible) Some NAS have the option to run for example Owncloud. 

 

2. nope you won't see it as a drive, you need to create a share on the NAS and connect to that. Installing Games on a NAS when a share is connected with a drive letter is possible but due to the bandwith and latency not really usable. A NAS is for all one: A Storage for Data like Archives, Music, Movies etc. 

 

3. Usually they do, but Raid 0 is really a headshot and should never be used in a NAS if you want to lessen the chance of total data loss.

 

4. Depends on what you want it for, there are many kinds of differences starting with amounts of drive bays, Raid modes, power of the cpu, network speed, OS etcpp.

 

5. usually 24/7 drives like WD RED, or similar from Hitachi, Toshiba or Seagate. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

1. Yes depends on how you setup. Synology and qnap have there own interface and you can also use next cloud or ftp. 

 

2. Depends on the protocol. You can either use it as file storage with nfs or cifs or block storage with iscsi or fc. You have to mount it in your os. 

 

3. Nas can support any raid level but depends on the box and os. I'd probably stay away from raid one unless you have a active synced server. Raid 0 is much more prone to bitrot and other data loss. 

 

4. I'd probably just get a qnap or synology pretty made 4 bay. Easy to use and low power. 

 

5. Depends on budget. Cheap drives work fine and with things like btrfs or zfs it's hard to lose data.  If your  willing to spend more for uptime get wd reds or Segate ironwolf. Don't worry about drive speed or ssds you will be network limit. 

[domandric034]

Here is example of good NAS. Just slap VMware ESXi with VM's of Windows Server, Ubuntu Server and if you plan minecraft also MineOS 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JFDyr7

Component	Selection	Base Price	Promo	Shipping	Tax	Price
CPU	AMD - A10-7890K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor	$148.99		FREE		$148.99	($9.00 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	Gigabyte - GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard	$89.99		FREE		$89.99	($0.11 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Memory	Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory	$127.99		FREE		$127.99	($3.11 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Storage	Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.99		FREE		$99.99	($2.09 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Case	Silverstone - DS380B Mini ITX Tower Case	$156.33		FREE		$156.33	($8.34 more than Directron)	Buy
Power Supply	Corsair - SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply	$89.99		FREE		$89.99		Buy
Total (6 / 6 Items):						$713.28

[Electronics Wizardy]

22 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

Here is example of good NAS. Just slap VMware ESXi with VM's of Windows Server, Ubuntu Server and if you plan minecraft also MineOS 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JFDyr7

Component	Selection	Base Price	Promo	Shipping	Tax	Price
CPU	AMD - A10-7890K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor	$148.99		FREE		$148.99	($9.00 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	Gigabyte - GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard	$89.99		FREE		$89.99	($0.11 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Memory	Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory	$127.99		FREE		$127.99	($3.11 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Storage	Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.99		FREE		$99.99	($2.09 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Case	Silverstone - DS380B Mini ITX Tower Case	$156.33		FREE		$156.33	($8.34 more than Directron)	Buy
Power Supply	Corsair - SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply	$89.99		FREE		$89.99		Buy
Total (6 / 6 Items):						$713.28

I'd get a Intel overt that. Lower power and better compatibility. I'd stay away from esxi and use proxmox I'd your wants hypervisor. It's easier and has better compatibility. 

 

For a new user is just get a pre-made nas box and just plug and play. 

[domandric034]

18 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I'd get a Intel overt that. Lower power and better compatibility. I'd stay away from esxi and use proxmox I'd your wants hypervisor. It's easier and has better compatibility. 

 

For a new user is just get a pre-made nas box and just plug and play. 

I agree with lower power and better compaitbility. ESXi is very very good Hypervisor. I have been playing around with Proxmox, ESXi has way more features that can be used. I have a new VM server coming cause my old home server died. Idk which Intel CPU would you get over AMD's for that price. This AMD's model uses 95 W and 4.1 GHz which is pretty impressive for 28 nm technology and it is APU. Show me Intel's quad core CPU that compete aginst this AMD and it needs to have 4 cores/4 threads.

[fjdhdhcyfhf]

Someone recommended intel over AMD. Here are facts: Intel & AMD use the same power on idle. I would argue that Intel and AMD power consumption difference is not an issue as your NAS is spending 90% of its time idling. I dont know if Intel's pentium range can be underclocked like AMD's can.

The build above is over kill. You dont need a quadcore for minecraft or fileserver. The A4 model is half the price.

You dont need more than 4GB RAM, you prob dont need more than 2GB RAM. I use no more than 500mb RAM on my fileserver.

1 hour ago, NaorG said:

Can i use NAS as a Cloud and connect frome anywhere via Wi-Fi?

google nextcloud

1 hour ago, NaorG said:

Wen i connect it to my router i see it as a drive? If so can i install a game to it and use it a a storege for games?

it will see it as a network drive. you can drag and drop shit and play videos. dont install games on it, too slow.

1 hour ago, NaorG said:

Dos NAS support ride 0?

yes. someone above recommended raid 5. that person has probably never had to wait for a raid 5 array to rebuild. Redundancy is not required for a home NAS. I have to say this almost every day that redundant drives are only useful if your server must be kept running 24/7 with zero downtime. If you do not have all the other things that a server needs to be running 24/7 then a redundant drive is a waste of money. RAID is not a replacement for a backup. The expensive of that redundant drive, on a home NAS, is better served as an offline backup drive. If you want to put two drives in RAID 0 on a home NAS go for it.

[ChalkChalkson]

7 hours ago, domandric034 said:

1. If you have Wi-Fi capable router then you can.

2. You can use for storage for games but they will load seriously slow, only if you gigabit network or even 10 gigabit network

3. Yes it supports RAID 0 but use RAID 5 instead. Much Much safer

4. Build your own custom NAS

5. Western Digital Red drives are way to go.

I agree 100%

7 hours ago, domandric034 said:

Here is example of good NAS. Just slap VMware ESXi with VM's of Windows Server, Ubuntu Server and if you plan minecraft also MineOS 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JFDyr7

This looks like a decent solution, with the OS I think in order of ease of use there are Windows Server > Unraid > Ubuntu Server > VMware

With the first inequality only holding if you are used to windows and don't know much linux. For all these OSes there are lots of tutorials out there, so as long as you aren't afraid of google you should be fine!

Keep us posted, I want to hear how it turns out  

[Electronics Wizardy]

7 hours ago, domandric034 said:

I agree with lower power and better compaitbility. ESXi is very very good Hypervisor. I have been playing around with Proxmox, ESXi has way more features that can be used. I have a new VM server coming cause my old home server died. Idk which Intel CPU would you get over AMD's for that price. This AMD's model uses 95 W and 4.1 GHz which is pretty impressive for 28 nm technology and it is APU. Show me Intel's quad core CPU that compete aginst this AMD and it needs to have 4 cores/4 threads.

ghz  doesn't matter when there are completly different archetures.

 

also its not a true quad core as there is shared l2 and floating point.

 

Power consumption isn't 95w, thats the tdp and it varies widely with load.

 

esxi is very pickly about hardware and often won't use onboard nics on motherboards.

 

7 hours ago, SCHISCHKA said:

Someone recommended intel over AMD. Here are facts: Intel & AMD use the same power on idle.

idle power is  different, but depends on the chip. http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/a10-7890k/3. here is the apu using 10 more watts idle compared to the i3

[domandric034]

4 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

ghz  doesn't matter when there are completly different archetures.

 

also its not a true quad core as there is shared l2 and floating point.

 

Power consumption isn't 95w, thats the tdp and it varies widely with load.

 

esxi is very pickly about hardware and often won't use onboard nics on motherboards.

 

idle power is  different, but depends on the chip. http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/a10-7890k/3. here is the apu using 10 more watts idle compared to the i3

Good job friend. You tought me something I didnt know about and you proved that i3 6th is stronger than A10. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lz3nhq

Component	Selection	Base Price	Promo	Shipping	Tax	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor	$119.99		FREE		$119.99	($10.00 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	MSI - B250I GAMING PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard	$89.99		$6.98		$96.97	($8.64 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Memory	Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$145.99		FREE		$145.99	($19.71 more than Amazon)	Buy
Storage	Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.99		FREE		$99.99	($2.09 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Case	Silverstone - DS380B Mini ITX Tower Case	$159.99		$9.99		$169.98	($21.99 more than Directron)	Buy
Power Supply	Corsair - SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply	$89.99		FREE		$89.99		Buy
Total (6 / 6 Items):						$722.91

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, domandric034 said:

Good job friend. You tought me something I didnt know about and you proved that i3 6th is stronger than A10. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lz3nhq

Component	Selection	Base Price	Promo	Shipping	Tax	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor	$119.99		FREE		$119.99	($10.00 more than SuperBiiz)	Buy
Motherboard	MSI - B250I GAMING PRO AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard	$89.99		$6.98		$96.97	($8.64 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Memory	Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$145.99		FREE		$145.99	($19.71 more than Amazon)	Buy
Storage	Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$99.99		FREE		$99.99	($2.09 more than OutletPC)	Buy
Case	Silverstone - DS380B Mini ITX Tower Case	$159.99		$9.99		$169.98	($21.99 more than Directron)	Buy
Power Supply	Corsair - SF 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply	$89.99		FREE		$89.99		Buy
Total (6 / 6 Items):						$722.91

but id get a pentium g4560 over that esp with a b250 board.

 

no reason for a ssd on a nas. just use a usb drive for the os and the hdds for everything else.

 

id get a single 16gb dimm so you can upgrade easier.

[domandric034]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

but id get a pentium g4560 over that esp with a b250 board.

 

no reason for a ssd on a nas. just use a usb drive for the os and the hdds for everything else.

 

id get a single 16gb dimm so you can upgrade easier.

Oh I forgot to tell. Slap on that rig Windows Server 2016 Standard and you are ready to rock and true get 1x 16 GB for later upgrade

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, domandric034 said:

Oh I forgot to tell. Slap on that rig Windows Server 2016 Standard and you are ready to rock and true get 1x 16 GB for later upgrade

why win server

 

it costs 400 bucks vs free for linux/freebsd. id argure zfs or btrfs is much better than storage spaces. 

[ChalkChalkson]

1 minute ago, domandric034 said:

Oh I forgot to tell. Slap on that rig Windows Server 2016 Standard and you are ready to rock and true get 1x 16 GB for later upgrade

1x16GB is a good idea, with windows server you want to check how much it is, some of the linux based OSes are quite intuitive as well and potentially way the F cheaper

[domandric034]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

why win server

 

it costs 400 bucks vs free for linux/freebsd. id argure zfs or btrfs is much better than storage spaces. 

I picked it up for 10 dolars (I cannot remember site). True ZFS is better in every way but the reason to pick up is cause of easy deployment and large options for customization and hyper v

[ChalkChalkson]

1 minute ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

why win server

 

it costs 400 bucks vs free for linux/freebsd. id argure zfs or btrfs is much better than storage spaces. 

I'd go with freeNAS or Ubuntu Server, when free-ware is the only option, with win server, when money isn't an issue, and in most real world scenarios with unraid, it is a great compromise IMO

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, domandric034 said:

I picked it up for 10 dolars (I cannot remember site). True ZFS is better in every way but the reason to pick up is cause of easy deployment and large options for customization and hyper v

well thats not a legal copy for 10 bucks.

 

kvm id argue is better than hyper-v, faster more customizable.

[domandric034]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

well thats not a legal copy for 10 bucks.

 

kvm id argue is better than hyper-v, faster more customizable.

Its a legal copy. Deal with it 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, domandric034 said:

Its a legal copy. Deal with it 

no its not. there is no way they sold a full legal copy for 10 bucks. these cheap keys are stolen technet or msdn keys and can be deactivated.

[ChalkChalkson]

Just now, domandric034 said:

I picked it up for 10 dolars (I cannot remember site). True ZFS is better in every way but the reason to pick up is cause of easy deployment and large options for customization and hyper v

If you can get it that cheaply win server is great, though I disagree on why it is great  I assume at least 2/3 of the people who are posting on this forum and are inexperienced with server stuff are used to windows, and thus will probably freak out a bit when they are supposed to install programs on a machine that doesn't support "exe" 

[ChalkChalkson]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

kvm id argue is better than hyper-v, faster more customizable.

KVM is pretty nice, it has it's quirks though... Of all the free linux based solutions Ubuntu is the friendliest one for beginners IMO

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, ChalkChalkson said:

KVM is pretty nice, it has it's quirks though... Of all the free linux based solutions Ubuntu is the friendliest one for beginners IMO

here comes the centos lover. most used and supported for servers. longest support time. there basically the same for ease of use, you not using a gui on either for a server. ubuntu is just rebranded debian with landscape.

[ChalkChalkson]

Guys, are you aware, that we are discussing while OP hasn't posted in the last 9h ? we should probably wait until OP tells us what he/she/they plans with it in more detail  

[ChalkChalkson]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

ubuntu is just rebranded debian with landscape.

You bet it is! But it tries to give people who have 0 idea what "cd" and "ls" mean a way into the linux landscape