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Thermaltake Versa H21 CA-1B2-00M1NN-00 Mid-tower

 

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Deepcool Tesseract Sw Mid Tower Computer Case

 
Which one is better and in terms of what?
 
Specfications:

Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI - B250M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Kingston - FURY 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB STRIX Video Card
BenQ - GW2470H 23.8" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor
SEASONIC S12II-620 -- S12II SERIES 620 WATT 80 PLUS® BRONZE CERTIFICATION WITH ACTIVE PFC
WD 1TB HDD
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5 minutes ago, Folktale said:

please head here 

 

Alright I read through it!

 

55.000 Rs, checking out if I can do any better just in case.

I saw the whole PSU arguing part too and don't worry about that.

 

You want to game at med-high at 1080p, and need a monitor.

Hold on, I'll se if I can do better. If not, I'll tell you :)

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1 minute ago, MVPernula said:

Alright I read through it!

 

55.000 Rs, checking out if I can do any better just in case.

I saw the whole PSU arguing part too and don't worry about that.

 

You want to game at med-high at 1080p, and need a monitor.

Hold on, I'll se if I can do better. If not, I'll tell you :)

OK. Thanks :)

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7 minutes ago, Folktale said:

OK. Thanks :)

Damn this is hard.. Especially if you want to squeeze a monitor into that budget.

The only way I really see this going without exeeding the budget is going back a bit on the CPU.

To go from the i5/R5 to an r3/i3/Pentium and overclock it.

 

Either that or go with what you have so far and just get the case.

 

I managed to build this:

 

Spoiler

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  (₹14133.94 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹3567.31 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (₹15390.00 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹50216.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 16:49 IST+0530

 

 

It's with the i5 you wanted in mind, but since you're not going for ULTRA and the highest of framerates I can actually recommend stepping down a notch on the CPU, since well.. It's upgradable in the future as well!

There's no monitor, case or OS.
I don't know. What're your thoughts?

Becuase you really CAN play at med-high with an overclocked pentuim/i3 as well. :)

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3 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

Damn this is hard.. Especially if you want to squeeze a monitor into that budget.

The only way I really see this going without exeeding the budget is going back a bit on the CPU.

To go from the i5/R5 to an r3/i3/Pentium and overclock it.

 

Either that or go with what you have so far and just get the case.

 

I managed to build this:

 

  Hide contents

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  (₹14133.94 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹3567.31 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (₹15390.00 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹50216.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 16:49 IST+0530

 

 

It's with the i5 you wanted in mind, but since you're not going for ULTRA and the highest of framerates I can actually recommend stepping down a notch on the CPU, since well.. It's upgradable in the future as well!

There's no monitor, case or OS.
I don't know. What're your thoughts?

Becuase you really CAN play at med-high with an overclocked pentuim/i3 as well. :)

you are right, but I want a faster CPU cause I also need it for rendering. I am more of an intel guy, that's why I am not going for Ryzen 5. I currently have i3 on my laptop :)

 

The PSU is too costly :( I also have to add the following things:

 

-Keyboard and Mouse

-UPS

-Turbo

-Monitor

-Case

 

The build I have provided, how good is it?

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9 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

Damn this is hard.. Especially if you want to squeeze a monitor into that budget.

The only way I really see this going without exeeding the budget is going back a bit on the CPU.

To go from the i5/R5 to an r3/i3/Pentium and overclock it.

 

Either that or go with what you have so far and just get the case.

 

I managed to build this:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/m8prCy/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  (₹14133.94 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹3567.31 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (₹15390.00 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹50216.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 16:49 IST+0530

 

 

It's with the i5 you wanted in mind, but since you're not going for ULTRA and the highest of framerates I can actually recommend stepping down a notch on the CPU, since well.. It's upgradable in the future as well!

There's no monitor, case or OS.
I don't know. What're your thoughts?

Becuase you really CAN play at med-high with an overclocked pentuim/i3 as well. :)

Another thing: If I overclock i3 processor. I would then have to get some decent cooling fan cause I don't think the stock fans will be enough to dissipate the heat. Right?

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1 minute ago, Folktale said:

you are right, but I want a faster CPU cause I also need it for rendering. I am more of an intel guy, that's why I am not going for Ryzen 5. I currently have i3 on my laptop :)

 

The PSU is too costly :( I also have to add the following things:

 

-Keyboard and Mouse

-UPS

-Turbo

-Monitor

-Case

 

The build I have provided, how good is it?

Hmm, then I'm afraid you'll have to deal with the higher price if you want the i5, or sacrifice rendering times with a lower performing CPU.

Yeah, one thing I do agree with the ones in your other post is that you shouln't cheap out on a PSU.

 

That's alot of things :(

 

Your build is good, the parts you have chosen is honestly pretty high end.

If I was in your seat, I'd also want the extra CPU power for rendering. I TOTALLY get that.

But also consider if it's alright to compromise performance when it comes to rendering, rendering is basically just waiting.

How often will you be rendering videos in comparison to gaming?

Would you be able to live with having longer rendering times if it resulted in keeping you within budget?

 

As mentioned it's always possible to upgrade later. :)

2 minutes ago, Folktale said:

Another thing: If I overclock i3 processor. I would then have to get some decent cooling fan cause I don't think the stock fans will be enough to dissipate the heat. Right?

If you want to overclock an i3 I recommend the i3-7350K since it's made for it. There are cheap cooler sollutions that offer good cooling for the money.

And if you want to go with a pentium I recommend th G4560, it has hyperthreading! Which means 2 cores and 4 logical ones making it pretty damn good for the money.

Waaay cheaper than an i5.

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1 minute ago, MVPernula said:

Hmm, then I'm afraid you'll have to deal with the higher price if you want the i5, or sacrifice rendering times with a lower performing CPU.

Yeah, one thing I do agree with the ones in your other post is that you shouln't cheap out on a PSU.

 

That's alot of things :(

 

Your build is good, the parts you have chosen is honestly pretty high end.

If I was in your seat, I'd also want the extra CPU power for rendering. I TOTALLY get that.

But also consider if it's alright to compromise performance when it comes to rendering, rendering is basically just waiting.

How often will you be rendering videos in comparison to gaming?

Would you be able to live with having longer rendering times if it resulted in keeping you within budget?

 

As mentioned it's always possible to upgrade later. :)

If you want to overclock an i3 I recommend the i3-7350K since it's made for it. There are cheap cooler sollutions that offer good cooling for the money.

And if you want to go with a pentium I recommend th G4560, it has hyperthreading! Which means 2 cores and 4 logical ones making it pretty damn good for the money.

Waaay cheaper than an i5.

You are right. But my main purpose is rendering :) Yes, I saw some benchmark videos on the G4560 and for the price, it Is super impressive. 

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9 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

That's alot of things :(

Right. I also reduced RAM and VRAM from 16 to 8 and 6 to 4GB respectively. I guy here recommended me this build. 16GB RAM and 6GB VRAM is a minimum requirement for rendering (well, it depends on the scene) to be honest, but in general, those are the minimum. 

 

But I can always upgrade, like you said.

 

The main problem is I have nothing here that can save money on, especially Monitor. No keyboard, UPS, Mouse(I have this but it's old and not functioning properly) and DVD Drive? I forgot that, too. :( Or should I get that later?

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6 minutes ago, Folktale said:

You are right. But my main purpose is rendering :) Yes, I saw some benchmark videos on the G4560 and for the price, it Is super impressive. 

I'm not telling you to go for something cheaper like "you HAVE TO".

But if you like I can build something cheaper with the G4560? Just to give perspective!

And then if possible add those different things you're missing :)

1 minute ago, Folktale said:

Right. I also reduced RAM and VRAM from 16 to 8 and 6 to 4GB respectively. I guy here recommended me this build. 16GB RAM and 6GB VRAM is a minimum requirement for rendering (well, it depends on the scene) to be honest, but in general, those are the minimum. 

 

But I can always upgrade, like you said.

 

The main problem is I have nothing here that can save money. No keyboard, UPS, Mouse(I have this but it's old and not functioning properly) and DVD Drive? I forgot that, too. :( Or should I get that later?

Some editing software REQUIRES 8GB RAM to even start, so going below that is not recommended.

If you need a DVD drive it's cheap to get on the go, like 15$ if you get a good deal :)

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2 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

I'm not telling you to go for something cheaper like "you HAVE TO".

But if you like I can build something cheaper with the G4560? Just to give perspective!

And then if possible add those different things you're missing :)

Some editing software REQUIRES 8GB RAM to even start, so going below that is not recommended.

If you need a DVD drive it's cheap to get on the go, like 15$ if you get a good deal :)

How will G4560 will be at rendering compared to i5 Kabylake?

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16 minutes ago, Folktale said:

How will G4560 will be at rendering compared to i5 Kabylake?

Okay so I made a list anyways

If you go for a G4560 instead of an i5 this is the result:

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PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/zC3Hjc

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/zC3Hjc/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (₹5300.00 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - B250M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹5653.17 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  (₹3519.00 @ Amazon India)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (₹15390.00 @ Amazon India)

Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSD1 DVD/CD Writer  (₹925.00 @ Amazon India)

Keyboard: Corsair - Vengeance K65 Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Wired Gaming Keyboard  (₹4037.79 @ Amazon India)

Mouse: SteelSeries - Rival 100 Wired Optical Mouse  (₹2682.00 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹54632.36

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 17:40 IST+0530

 

I added a case, DVD drive, mouse and keyboard.

 

Keyboard and mouse can be cheaper. Much cheaper actually.

I got them in there to show you what you can afford with that budget in mind.

You could probably get a REALLY cheap mouse/keyboard combo somewhere and get a Monitor for the rest :)

 

No OS still however.

 

Remove the DVD drive, mouse and keyboard to see what you have there.

You can go about with the peripherals any way you like. about 7000 Rs left if I'm not totally off!

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Okay so I made a list anyways

If you go for a G4560 instead of an i5 this is the result:

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PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/zC3Hjc

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/zC3Hjc/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (₹5300.00 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - B250M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹5653.17 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case  (₹3519.00 @ Amazon India)

Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (₹15390.00 @ Amazon India)

Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSD1 DVD/CD Writer  (₹925.00 @ Amazon India)

Keyboard: Corsair - Vengeance K65 Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Wired Gaming Keyboard  (₹4037.79 @ Amazon India)

Mouse: SteelSeries - Rival 100 Wired Optical Mouse  (₹2682.00 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹54632.36

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 17:40 IST+0530

 

I added a case, DVD drive, mouse and keyboard.

 

Keyboard and mouse can be cheaper. Much cheaper actually.

I got them in there to show you what you can afford with that budget in mind.

You could probably get a REALLY cheap mouse/keyboard combo somewhere and get a Monitor for the rest :)

 

No OS still however.

 

Remove the DVD drive, mouse and keyboard to see what you have there.

You can go about with the peripherals any way you like. about 7000 Rs left if I'm not totally off!

My windows 10 Licence key is linked to my Microsoft account. So I don't need to get a copy of windows 10, I guess. I have it in my USB stick. 

I would have gone for this build for gaming, but for rendering, I cannot ditch i5 :( i5 has more cores than G4560 and same number of threads :( 

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My windows 10 Licence key is linked to my Microsoft account. So I don't need to get a copy of windows 10, I guess. I have it in my USB stick. 

I would have gone for this build for gaming, but for rendering, I cannot ditch i5 :( i5 has more cores than G4560 and same number of threads :( 

Alrighty, well then this is what I can do:

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PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/wGWf4C

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/wGWf4C/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  (₹14133.94 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹3567.31 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹34826.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 17:57 IST+0530

 

Now, what I did here is that I made the build you originally posted as cheap as possible.

You didn't say exactly what the price was at there but according to PCP it's the cheaper choice.

 

I5 6600 is cheaper(according to pcp) and is supposed to be performing pretty much exactly like the 7500.

You didn't agree with my choice of PSU so I left that out as well so you can decide. The S12II-620 you stated in your first post is fine.

 

I think that's my conclusion if you don't want to back down on the i5 :)

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Alrighty, well then this is what I can do:

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PCPartPicker part list: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/wGWf4C

Price breakdown by merchant: https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/wGWf4C/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  (₹14133.94 @ Amazon India)

Motherboard: MSI - H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (₹3567.31 @ Amazon India)

Memory: Kingston - ValueRAM 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (₹4099.00 @ Amazon India)

Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (₹3604.00 @ Amazon India)

Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (₹9422.40 @ Amazon India)

Total: ₹34826.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-06 17:57 IST+0530

 

Now, what I did here is that I made the build you originally posted as cheap as possible.

You didn't say exactly what the price was at there but according to PCP it's the cheaper choice.

 

I5 6600 is cheaper(according to pcp) and is supposed to be performing pretty much exactly like the 7500.

You didn't agree with my choice of PSU so I left that out as well so you can decide. The S12II-620 you stated in your first post is fine.

 

I think that's my conclusion if you don't want to back down on the i5 :)

That's a very good build for a budget, but I am confused now. 6600 is 2 years old while Kaby Lake is recent and more future ready. The Cores and Threads are same and almost equal speed. 

 

I am not sure about the motherboard cause I don't want any bottlenecks and I couldn't find any review of it :( It doesn't support 7th gen CPU in case I upgrade from i5 to i7 in near future :(

 

But this is really a good build and I am confused now :(

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That's a very good build for a budget, but I am confused now. 6600 is 2 years old while Kaby Lake is recent and more future ready. The Cores and Threads are same and almost equal speed. 

 

I am not sure about the motherboard cause I don't want any bottlenecks and I couldn't find any review of it :( It doesn't support 7th gen CPU in case I upgrade from i5 to i7 in near future :(

 

But this is really a good build and I am confused now :(

The i5 6600 and i5 7500 can even be used for the same motherboards (given that you have the specific bois updates for the older generation motherboards when using Kaby lake).

AGE of the CPU wont really matter, if you buy a 6600 it'll be as good as the 7500.

That's why some people buy used, becuase, sure, age CAN matter but if it performs better and works well at a lower price.. Why not go for it?

I'm not saying "buy the 6600 used" (you could do that though), I'm saying that if the performance is the same, it's cheaper AND WORKS WELL - get it.

 

The difference between the Kaby Lake series isn't big at all, clockspeeds mostly but at stock you wont see a huge deal.

If you want to get the latest generation i7 later you can do it with that motherboard as well.

As mentioned earlier; Skylake and Kaby Lake are compatible with the same motherboard. Meaning you can get a Kaby lake CPU for a Skylake motherboard (like the one I suggested), all you have to do is upgrade bios and then change the CPU.

 

It's seriously that easy :D

  1. Buy Kaby lake later
  2. Update current motherboard with new bios (assuming you get the 6600 now), making it ready for Kaby lake CPU
  3. Get The fresh i7 from Kaby lake
  4. Replace CPU
  5. Embrace godhood
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6 hours ago, Folktale said:

Thermaltake Versa H21 CA-1B2-00M1NN-00 Mid-tower

 

or

 

Deepcool Tesseract Sw Mid Tower Computer Case

 
Which one is better and in terms of what?
 
Specfications:

Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI - B250M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Kingston - FURY 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Asus - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB STRIX Video Card
BenQ - GW2470H 23.8" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor
SEASONIC S12II-620 -- S12II SERIES 620 WATT 80 PLUS® BRONZE CERTIFICATION WITH ACTIVE PFC
WD 1TB HDD

I built @Jackestrel's PC in a Tesseract. It's a good case but mysteriously the USB 3.0 header stopped working. Not sure what happened there. Outside of that it's a pretty good case for less than $40.

My account is almost entirely dormant. Hope you all are having a grand time. Many years of fun were had here.

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16 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

I built @Jackestrel's PC in a Tesseract. It's a good case but mysteriously the USB 3.0 header stopped working. Not sure what happened there. Outside of that it's a pretty good case for less than $40.

The Deepcool has better cable management :) But can you help me with the monitor, too? nobody is replying :D

 

 

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