New pc build 29.0!

[Catbattle]

I say build but I really mean draft. 29th draft. Anyway, my budget is around 600-625 USD, White/silver color theme. I want 60fps 1080p on high-very high settings with most triple A games, Just Cause 3, Titanfall 2, and Overwatch (on ultra) just to name a few. Anything I can improve on this build? And is this CPU better than the g4560? Thanks! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9C3Q9W

[Drake10114]

12 minutes ago, TheCatShuriken said:

I say build but I really mean draft. 29th draft. Anyway, my budget is around 600-625 USD, White/silver color theme. I want 60fps 1080p on high-very high settings. Anything I can improve on this build? And is this CPU better than the g4560? Thanks! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9C3Q9W

Get 1 stick of 8gb Ram so it's easier to upgrade in the future.

I'd drop down to 1TB HDD and throw in a small SSD for booting, will be a massive difference.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($56.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: ADATA Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($53.20 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.25 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Zalman ZM-Z9 NEO WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $627.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:23 EDT-0400

 

G4560 and g4600 are basically identical, except for .1mhz lower clock speed and slightly better IGPU (for $30, not worth it)

Added you a SSD

 

 

 

[Catbattle]

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Get 1 stick of 8gb Ram so it's easier to upgrade in the future.

I'd drop down to 1TB HDD and throw in a small SSD for booting, will be a massive difference.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($56.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: ADATA Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($53.20 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.25 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Zalman ZM-Z9 NEO WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $627.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:23 EDT-0400

 

G4560 and g4600 are basically identical, except for .1mhz lower clock speed and slightly better IGPU (for $30, not worth it)

Added you a SSD

 

 

I have an SSD, and I plan on recording some casual gameplay every once and a while so the 2t hdd should help out, as well as with big storage triple-a titles eating memory.

[Catbattle]

3 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

Get 1 stick of 8gb Ram so it's easier to upgrade in the future.

I'd drop down to 1TB HDD and throw in a small SSD for booting, will be a massive difference.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($56.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: ADATA Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($53.20 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.25 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Zalman ZM-Z9 NEO WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $627.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:23 EDT-0400

 

G4560 and g4600 are basically identical, except for .1mhz lower clock speed and slightly better IGPU (for $30, not worth it)

Added you a SSD

 

 

 

Thanks for clarifying the G4560 and G4600 difference, I saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQryMLbYvc and thought it was better from the benchmarks.

 

[Drake10114]

Just now, TheCatShuriken said:

I have an SSD, and I plan on recording some casual gameplay every once and a while so the 2t hdd should help out, as well as with big storage triple-a titles eating memory.

Should have given that information in the beginning, but nonetheless. Just change the WD Blue out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($56.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Zalman ZM-Z9 NEO WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $596.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:29 EDT-0400

 

Couldn't find WD Blue 2TB, but Seagate Barracuda's are good too.

[Catbattle]

Just now, Drake10114 said:

Should have given that information in the beginning, but nonetheless. Just change the WD Blue out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($56.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8GB ARMOR OC Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Zalman ZM-Z9 NEO WH ATX Mid Tower Case  ($55.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $596.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:29 EDT-0400

 

Couldn't find WD Blue 2TB, but Seagate Barracuda's are good too.

I gave that info in the beginning (Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)) but ok.

[Drake10114]

Just now, TheCatShuriken said:

Thanks for clarifying the G4560 and G4600 difference, I saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQryMLbYvc and thought it was better from the benchmarks.

 

https://ark.intel.com/compare/97143,97453

 

Going against each other, it will be, due to .1Mhz clock speed and a slightly better IGPU, but it costs you $30 for basically nothing, since .1Mhz is not noticeable at all, and the IGPU is irrelevant due to a discrete card.

[Drake10114]

1 minute ago, TheCatShuriken said:

I gave that info in the beginning (Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)) but ok.

My bad didn't see it.

[Catbattle]

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

My bad didn't see it.

Its cool, shoulda made more obvious. 

2 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

https://ark.intel.com/compare/97143,97453

 

Going against each other, it will be, due to .1Mhz clock speed and a slightly better IGPU, but it costs you $30 for basically nothing, since .1Mhz is not noticeable at all, and the IGPU is irrelevant due to a discrete card.

Thing is, the performance is several frames better. If its basically nothing, how come that happens?

[SteveGrabowski0]

I'd go with this. The GTX 1060 should be better in many DX11 games than the RX 580 when paired with a G4560, due to the driver overhead problem AMD has when paired with i3 class processors (see Digital Foundry's youtube channel or you can find their articles about this at eurogamer.net). I also fit in a much nicer white case while also coming in at a lower price point. Also 550W is super overkill in this build, so I went with a 450W psu that's $10 cheaper (it's also overkill but it's a decent modular power supply selling for the price of non-modular fire hazard units). Finally I went with 1 8GB stick of DDR4-2400 so you can add another 8GB stick later on when funds allow.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $585.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:44 EDT-0400

[Catbattle]

Just now, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I'd go with this. The GTX 1060 should be better in many DX11 games than the RX 580 when paired with a G4560. I also fit in a much nicer white case while also coming in at a lower price point. Also 550W is super overkill in this build, so I went with a 450W psu that's $10 cheaper (it's also overkill but it's a decent modular power supply selling for the price of non-modular fire hazard units).

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.48 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B250M MORTAR ARCTIC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card  ($209.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $585.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 19:44 EDT-0400

Thanks man! From what I have seen it seems like 580 is better, but 1060 is very close. I`ll probably make draft 30 by the time this week is done though lmao. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Just now, TheCatShuriken said:

Thanks man! From what I have seen it seems like 580 is better, but 1060 is very close. I`ll probably make draft 30 by the time this week is done though lmao. 

The 580 is better if you have a cpu at the i5, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, or i7 level. For i3 class cpus and below AMD cards can often take a pretty drastic hit to performance in some DX11 games. Seriously, research the AMD DX11 driver overhead problem at Digital Foundry's youtube channel or at eurogamer.net. I'm not going to look them up to post the links since it's not my computer, but it shouldn't take long to find those videos and articles. It has been an ongoing problem with AMD gpus that Digital Foundry first pointed out in late 2014. If you had room in your budget for an i5 I would by all means recommend the 580 over the 1060. But with a Pentium G4560 or G4600 the 1060 is a no-brainer. The 1060 and 580 are already extremely close when paired with an i7, but with a G4560/G4600 you're probably going to be better off with the G4560. Plus it lets you save a few bucks on the power supply. I'll take more performance for less money any day.

[Catbattle]

Just now, SteveGrabowski0 said:

The 580 is better if you have a cpu at the i5, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, or i7 level. For i3 class cpus and below AMD cards can often take a pretty drastic hit to performance in some DX11 games. Seriously, research the AMD DX11 driver overhead problem at Digital Foundry's youtube channel or at eurogamer.net. I'm not going to look them up to post the links since it's not my computer, but it shouldn't take long to find those videos and articles. It has been an ongoing problem with AMD gpus that Digital Foundry first pointed out in late 2014. If you had room in your budget for an i5 I would by all means recommend the 580 over the 1060. But with a Pentium G4560 or G4600 the 1060 is a no-brainer. The 1060 and 580 are already extremely close when paired with an i7, but with a G4560/G4600 you're probably going to be better off with the G4560. Plus it lets you save a few bucks on the power supply. I'll take more performance for less money any day.

Ah ok. Thanks man! 

[SteveGrabowski0]

6 minutes ago, TheCatShuriken said:

Ah ok. Thanks man! 

You actually could fit an i5 into your budget by dropping to an RX 470, which is one of the best price to performance gpus I have ever seen (as long as it's paired with an i5 or Ryzen 5 or better cpu). This would be in budget:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.33 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $622.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:04 EDT-0400

 

This would be a little faster for $11 over budget due to the DDR4-2400 support (the system above will run your RAM at DDR4-2133) and a slightly faster clockspeed in gaming (the quadcore turbo on the i5-7400 is 3.3 GHz I believe, while it's 3.1 GHz on the i5-6400).

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($56.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $635.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:06 EDT-0400

[Catbattle]

6 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

You actually could fit an i5 into your budget by dropping to an RX 470, which is one of the best price to performance gpus I have ever seen (as long as it's paired with an i5 or Ryzen 5 or better cpu). This would be in budget:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.33 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $622.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:04 EDT-0400

 

This would be a little faster for $11 over budget due to the DDR4-2400 support (the system above will run your RAM at DDR4-2133) and a slightly faster clockspeed in gaming (the quadcore turbo on the i5-7400 is 3.3 GHz I believe, while it's 3.1 GHz on the i5-6400).

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($56.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 470 4GB STRIX Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $635.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:06 EDT-0400

So your telling me a 470 with a 7400 is better than a 1060 6gb with a g4560? 

[SteveGrabowski0]

23 minutes ago, TheCatShuriken said:

So your telling me a 470 with a 7400 is better than a 1060 6gb with a g4560? 

You know what, forget the 470. You could get a 570 and an i5 for the same price.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($56.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G  Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $635.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:23 EDT-0400

 

The RX 570 4GB is right on par with the GTX 1060 3GB. The GTX 1060 6GB outperforms the RX 570 by about 13% at 1080p in techpowerup's newest testsuite, though the 570 they tested was clocked 29 MHz faster out the box than the one I put in the build. I doubt you'd have a problem getting a 29 MHz overclock though.

 

 

If you're only sacrificing 13% on gpu to upgrade an i3 class cpu (Pentium G4560 is really more like an i3 than a typical Pentium) to an i5 I think it's a good tradeoff. In games that don't care whatsoever about cpu you'd be better off with the G4560 + 1060 combo. And there are many games that are pretty cpu agnostic. Tomb Raider 2013 is like that as long as you have four threads. I think Far Cry 4 is another similar example. But then there are games like Rise of the Tomb Raider or Crysis 3 that absolutely want those four physical cores and whose performance will really suffer without them.

 

Surprisingly though GTA V actually worked really well for me on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system when I disabled two cores to simulate a 3.8 GHz Hasweell i3 though (should be very very slightly faster than a G4560 at 3.5 GHz). And that's a game that is pretty cpu bound. My lows were in the low 50s but mostly I was around ~70 fps at 1080p very high in the single player campaign. But I'd still probably take the i5 system.

[SteveGrabowski0]

And as a GTX 970 owner, I can still say it's a great gpu for 1080p 60 fps gaming. And an RX 570 seems to perform almost exactly the same in that benchmark I posted above. Another plus with AMD gpus is they keep rebranding their cards (RX 570 is just a rebrand of the RX 470 with faster clockspeeds and I think faster VRAM too, though I'm not 100% on the VRAM), so AMD is forced to keep optimizing their drivers for their cards longer than Nvidia is. It's why AMD cards tend to creep up the benchmark charts relative to their Nvidia counterparts as the cards age.

[Drake10114]

4 hours ago, TheCatShuriken said:

Its cool, shoulda made more obvious. 

Thing is, the performance is several frames better. If its basically nothing, how come that happens?

The budget gaming chip has been yhe g4560, and I didn't really find too many benchmark reviews from reliable sources. @deXxterlab97 do you want to explain the difference between the g4560 and g4600? The g4560 should have a better price -performance ratio I imagine than the g4600.

 

edit: even from a not reliable source, your paying $30 for 3 frames, definitely not worth it at all.

[Catbattle]

18 hours ago, Drake10114 said:

The budget gaming chip has been yhe g4560, and I didn't really find too many benchmark reviews from reliable sources. @deXxterlab97 do you want to explain the difference between the g4560 and g4600? The g4560 should have a better price -performance ratio I imagine than the g4600.

 

edit: even from a not reliable source, your paying $30 for 3 frames, definitely not worth it at all.

gotcha

 

20 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

You know what, forget the 470. You could get a 570 and an i5 for the same price.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($56.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G  Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $635.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 20:23 EDT-0400

 

The RX 570 4GB is right on par with the GTX 1060 3GB. The GTX 1060 6GB outperforms the RX 570 by about 13% at 1080p in techpowerup's newest testsuite, though the 570 they tested was clocked 29 MHz faster out the box than the one I put in the build. I doubt you'd have a problem getting a 29 MHz overclock though.

 

 

If you're only sacrificing 13% on gpu to upgrade an i3 class cpu (Pentium G4560 is really more like an i3 than a typical Pentium) to an i5 I think it's a good tradeoff. In games that don't care whatsoever about cpu you'd be better off with the G4560 + 1060 combo. And there are many games that are pretty cpu agnostic. Tomb Raider 2013 is like that as long as you have four threads. I think Far Cry 4 is another similar example. But then there are games like Rise of the Tomb Raider or Crysis 3 that absolutely want those four physical cores and whose performance will really suffer without them.

 

Surprisingly though GTA V actually worked really well for me on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system when I disabled two cores to simulate a 3.8 GHz Hasweell i3 though (should be very very slightly faster than a G4560 at 3.5 GHz). And that's a game that is pretty cpu bound. My lows were in the low 50s but mostly I was around ~70 fps at 1080p very high in the single player campaign. But I'd still probably take the i5 system.

Ok. 

 

20 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

You know what, forget the 470. You could get a 570 and an i5 for the same price.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($177.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($56.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($56.95 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 570 4GB Gaming 4G  Video Card  ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 
Other: some 250gb ssd I have (Purchased)
Other: Win 10 disk (Purchased)
Total: $635.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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The RX 570 4GB is right on par with the GTX 1060 3GB. The GTX 1060 6GB outperforms the RX 570 by about 13% at 1080p in techpowerup's newest testsuite, though the 570 they tested was clocked 29 MHz faster out the box than the one I put in the build. I doubt you'd have a problem getting a 29 MHz overclock though.

 

 

If you're only sacrificing 13% on gpu to upgrade an i3 class cpu (Pentium G4560 is really more like an i3 than a typical Pentium) to an i5 I think it's a good tradeoff. In games that don't care whatsoever about cpu you'd be better off with the G4560 + 1060 combo. And there are many games that are pretty cpu agnostic. Tomb Raider 2013 is like that as long as you have four threads. I think Far Cry 4 is another similar example. But then there are games like Rise of the Tomb Raider or Crysis 3 that absolutely want those four physical cores and whose performance will really suffer without them.

 

Surprisingly though GTA V actually worked really well for me on my Xeon E3-1231v3 + GTX 970 system when I disabled two cores to simulate a 3.8 GHz Hasweell i3 though (should be very very slightly faster than a G4560 at 3.5 GHz). And that's a game that is pretty cpu bound. My lows were in the low 50s but mostly I was around ~70 fps at 1080p very high in the single player campaign. But I'd still probably take the i5 system.

What about a 580? What would be an upgrade path for this system in future?