First Build

[Draknour]

baaaah paypal you can tell I am running on 23 hours no sleep lol

[Deux Alpha]

1 minute ago, Draknour said:

if I were to exchange my dollars for eu, I would have to pa 1.06 each as well as the exchangers fees. I beleive ebay does it for free so you do not have to pay the exchange fee that most banks charge.

You have to pay VAT on those prices
and I told you that shipping from outside the EU is not a solution because you have to pay custom taxes

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1 minute ago, Draknour said:

sorry I meant paypay, I am unsure about ebay, but when I made purchases with paypal i did not pay more per eu than the exchange rate that day.

I'll have to buy within hardware stores which makes it more expensive  

[Draknour]

you have 170 left for VAT and shipping out of your budget

[Draknour]

that is almost 20%

often you will find people selling on ebay because they bought bulk, also amazon has a few tricks up their sleeve. I waited 3 weeks to get a processor from china direct because it was dirt cheap, I often found cheaper prices shipping from china but I paid more for faster shipping from the us.

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1 minute ago, Draknour said:

you have 170 left for VAT and shipping out of your budget

haha its not easy to explain to someone who doesn't live on the EU (because this laws make no sense and are stupid) but basically even if you don't pay shipping you have to pay taxes over it 
for example I once ordered a watch and ended paying almost as much in taxes as i paid for the watch 

[Draknour]

does that go for countries outside of eu only, or is it some crazy rate by the country and other confusing red tape.

[Deux Alpha]

1 minute ago, Draknour said:

does that go for countries outside of eu only, or is it some crazy rate by the country and other confusing red tape.

supposedly it goes only for outside countries but then they make those exceptions in the law that practically makes impossible to import even inside the EU (like you having to pay taxes if the package comes from Germany and some other few countries), with Brexit and Germany in this laws exceptions it makes ordering from amazon a pain in the ass

[Draknour]

a raijintek 280mm water cooler is customizable and german engineered, so hopefully you can save a dime, pence, bit, no a bit is 1/8th a bp, well anyways, I have one myself that I plan on drilling holes in the top of my case to allow the fittings to slide through with the rad mounted on the top and fans on the inside. I also plan on getting a 2x5.25 bay reservoir to go into 2 bays and that leaves 2 bays above it to round my tubing. I will put the single rad on the bottom for the GPUs from my 120 all in one, and where my bottom drive rack was I will put 2 pumps. but that is down the road lol. where I saved the bulk of my money on was a cheap processor to upgrade later, and a cheap vid card to do the same with. to me those are easily replaced and have a resell value.

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1 minute ago, Draknour said:

a raijintek 280mm water cooler is customizable and german engineered, so hopefully you can save a dime, pence, bit, no a bit is 1/8th a bp, well anyways, I have one myself that I plan on drilling holes in the top of my case to allow the fittings to slide through with the rad mounted on the top and fans on the inside. I also plan on getting a 2x5.25 bay reservoir to go into 2 bays and that leaves 2 bays above it to round my tubing. I will put the single rad on the bottom for the GPUs from my 120 all in one, and where my bottom drive rack was I will put 2 pumps. but that is down the road lol. where I saved the bulk of my money on was a cheap processor to upgrade later, and a cheap vid card to do the same with. to me those are easily replaced and have a resell value.

It's my very 1st build so I'll not adventure in such terrains haha

[Draknour]

are you aware of the tax as you order, or do they kinda spring it on you? something tells me there are influential people who are making alot of money by pocketing bribes, buying stuff and walking it through customs to sell at a cheaper price, but still making a handsome profit.

[Draknour]

the only problem I have with my case is it is really tight in the back side, now if it was like the one you posted on the inside, but had the size and ventilatioon of mine, it would be perfect.

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5 minutes ago, Draknour said:

are you aware of the tax as you order, or do they kinda spring it on you? something tells me there are influential people who are making alot of money by pocketing bribes, buying stuff and walking it through customs to sell at a cheaper price, but still making a handsome profit.

Supposedly your item may or may not be stopped at customs, it is supposed to be a random choice (in which packages in private mailing services have an almost 100% rate of being stuck in the customs, so you see how random that is...) but in normal services i think it really is random so you never know 

[Draknour]

yea I say someone is making money. almost sounds like spain or france to me.

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Just now, Draknour said:

yea I say someone is making money. almost sounds like spain or france to me.

haha Portugal, they're neighbours 
I think it's more like really bad law making, but it benefits the government so they don't bother 

[DocSwag]

3 hours ago, Draknour said:

I am getting behind the scenes arguments.  right now if you go ryzen like they say, your system is usable for about 6-8 years, longer if you add in another vid gard down the road, maybe overclock it a little bit, and btw capaciters do get weaker over time. if you want to build something cheaply to sell to someone, go ahead and get minimal power needed, if you want something that will last you 10 years or more like my last build, then make sure you have room to grow with,

6-8 years? That's bs. No one is still using a core 2 quad in a relevant mid range system.

[Draknour]

Portuguese, so similar to the Spanish, but never say that to their face if you dont want your own re-arranged.

[Draknour]

in 2008 I was using one when I switched to a quad core, now I updated my system and will buy a octa-core when the prices comes down a little.

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Just now, Draknour said:

Portuguese, so similar to the Spanish, but never say that to their face if you dont want your own re-arranged.

haha Spanish people tend to be more snob-ish
but off of the topic, I really have to understand if AMD is worth it, I really don't like the idea of such instability

[Draknour]

amd fx processors actually more stable than i7 or i5, look at world records for overclocking, amd has it last I checked. they also seem to last longer and amd seems to come out with less sockets for processors. the only issue I have is with motherboards that are designed for new processors, both intel and amd always seem to have issues for the first year after they come out.  doler per performance the fx series has intel beat hands down. and their prices are either falling, or not increasing anymore do too the new ryzen processors.

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7 minutes ago, Draknour said:

amd fx processors actually more stable than i7 or i5, look at world records for overclocking, amd has it last I checked. they also seem to last longer and amd seems to come out with less sockets for processors. the only issue I have is with motherboards that are designed for new processors, both intel and amd always seem to have issues for the first year after they come out.  doler per performance the fx series has intel beat hands down. and their prices are either falling, or not increasing anymore do too the new ryzen processors.

but fx 9000 series ar from around 2013 while an i5-6600k (the one I posted on the build) is from 2015, won't the fx become obsolete faster?! 

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16 minutes ago, Draknour said:

amd fx processors actually more stable than i7 or i5, look at world records for overclocking, amd has it last I checked. they also seem to last longer and amd seems to come out with less sockets for processors. the only issue I have is with motherboards that are designed for new processors, both intel and amd always seem to have issues for the first year after they come out.  doler per performance the fx series has intel beat hands down. and their prices are either falling, or not increasing anymore do too the new ryzen processors.

I was more interested in the Ryzen 5 (1600 maybe) but the instability thing still bugs me 

[Draknour]

the issue is with the mobo, not so much the processor on ryzen. also we are talking bang for the buck. 10-15% less capability but Superior utility and robustness.  with adequate cooling your fx can exceed anything intel has and do it with style. remember extra cores means more background processes that dont effect your game, for example, playing counterstrike, takes 4 cores, windows now riding on a core, 1 core recording the game, one core recording you as you play and a core free. ok it does not work exactly like that but you get the idea.  if I did the research i am sure I could show things like wider architecture somewhere, and how it effects performance at similer speeds with lesser architecture. but frankly it comes down to bang for the buck, quad core amd systems came out over 10 years ago and they are still in use today. the am2 sereies came out in may of 2006 and people are still buying them, and with a good gpu they have been playing current games. intel cannot boast the same. also amd overclocks better and more stable. in a perfect world ryzen came out last year or intel improved their multi-threading, but when fx processors are setting world records for benchmarks

look at this link https://valid.x86.fr/records.html

intel has one and it is not an i5 or i7 that was the final decider for me. I would rather driver a skyline that could be modded out and get a close second place, than a bugatti that is 10x the cost and only goes a little faster.

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2 hours ago, Draknour said:

so the decisision is ryzon, and hope your mobo bios can be flashed to keep up with the fixes, intel, wich is already running smooth, or fx, wich is also running smooth. do you want peak performance with high maintenance, or willing to have performance almost as good but with little maintenance, also do you want to spend more, or less. I beleive Ryzen is a gamble right now as far as mobos are concearned, intel rocks, but you pay for it and you have to maintain it to keep that performance, and fx is the way to go if your lazy and cheap, but love your varied side programs.

please let me know what you decide. why dont you start pricing things, find out what a dream build is for all three choices, then back off a little to match your budget, and then see what you would be happiest with. with a 1k budget you could get a 1080 gpu, a i7 or fx 9000 series cpu, a top of the line mobo, some ram and maybe a cheap all in one cooler. you can later use the rad on the all in one cooler for dedicated gpu cooling and the block/pump combo for a custom cpu colling system to save some money.

You would have to be mentally insane to consider an AMD FX cpu over Ryzen or Intel.

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15 minutes ago, Draknour said:

the issue is with the mobo, not so much the processor on ryzen. also we are talking bang for the buck. 10-15% less capability but Superior utility and robustness.  with adequate cooling your fx can exceed anything intel has and do it with style. remember extra cores means more background processes that dont effect your game, for example, playing counterstrike, takes 4 cores, windows now riding on a core, 1 core recording the game, one core recording you as you play and a core free. ok it does not work exactly like that but you get the idea.  if I did the research i am sure I could show things like wider architecture somewhere, and how it effects performance at similer speeds with lesser architecture. but frankly it comes down to bang for the buck, quad core amd systems came out over 10 years ago and they are still in use today. the am2 sereies came out in may of 2006 and people are still buying them, and with a good gpu they have been playing current games. intel cannot boast the same. also amd overclocks better and more stable. in a perfect world ryzen came out last year or intel improved their multi-threading, but when fx processors are setting world records for benchmarks

look at this link https://valid.x86.fr/records.html

intel has one and it is not an i5 or i7 that was the final decider for me. I would rather driver a skyline that could be modded out and get a close second place, than a bugatti that is 10x the cost and only goes a little faster.

I'm watching Linus video about Ryzen and the 1500x performance, for the price, is getting interesting to me and would fit nicely in my budget