Ubuntu derivitives

[Guest]

So Ubuntu has an official lightweight version called Lubuntu.

 

There is a derivative of Lubuntu called LXLE.

 

I'm curious about which of these 2 Linux OS would be lighter.

 

I am doing game development, programming, and 3D work with programs like Maya, and Blender, as well as gaming. I want to have the most power from what I have. I am well aware Windows is the OS for everything. Unity has an Ubuntu version of their software so I am looking at Lubuntu and LXLE because they derive from Ubuntu. I am expecting that these OS based off Ubuntu should support many Ubuntu applications. Wine and Play on Linux have Ubuntu support so this will in my opinion allow me to use Windows only software, and games on my computer.

 

I am posting to see if Lubuntu, or LXLE is faster/lighter weight, and that they would support Ubuntu applications such as Wine, and play on Linux. If there is an alternate Ubuntu software supporting OS let me know.

This thread is dedicated to OS that support Ubuntu software as natively as Ubuntu.

[Zando_]

I know that Lubuntu is super light. But I think running windows programs on linux is pretty buggy and not very reliable. Though I've only ever tried it on a VM. And any ubuntu derivate: Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, LXLE, etc should be able to run Ubuntu apps.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I know that Lubuntu is super light. But I think running windows programs on linux is pretty buggy and not very reliable. Though I've only ever tried it on a VM. And any ubuntu derivate: Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, LXLE, etc should be able to run Ubuntu apps.

Do you know which OS would be lighter weight/faster so more resources can be dedicated to software?

[Zando_]

I don't know. What are the specs of your computer?

[zMeul]

8 minutes ago, fpo said:

LXLE

it's still Ubuntu kernel with a slimmed down LXDE desktop

 

I use Lubuntu on my systems (desktop and a NAS type PC) they're are perfectly fine at running games and anything that was designed for Ubuntu

[Jarno.]

Using wine to run windows applications actually use more CPU power as it have to add a virtual layer. in other words it have to translate instructions. Rendering using a light linux distro useless. 

[Zando_]

Looks like LXLE is a bit bigger, has more apps etc, but is slower than Lubuntu. If you're up to it, look up one of the linux distros that's just the kernel, and then only install what you absolutely need.

[Zando_]

Just now, Jarno. said:

Using wine to run windows applications actually use more CPU power as it have to add a virtual layer. in other words it have to translate instructions

It's pretty much a VM just for that app, right?

[Jarno.]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

It's pretty much a VM just for that app, right?

Yes it works about the same indeed

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

I don't know. What are the specs of your computer?

Not bad actually haha. i5 3450, 12 gb ddr3, and an r9 390. When I have Maya, Unity, substance painter, and edge open all at the same time my computer slows down, sometimes when going to test modifications with Unity the computer really bogs down. I have a strong feeling it's windows because it's just getting slower and slower. Even with new projects (As in there is very little geometry, and less scripts than what I used to do when I had windows 8 on my lower spec laptop.)

 

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

it's still Ubuntu kernel with a slimmed down LXDE desktop

 

I use Lubuntu on my systems (desktop and a NAS type PC) they're are perfectly fine at running games and anything that was designed for Ubuntu

1. You use Lubuntu for every use case?

2. Do you have any experience with LXLE?

3. If you have experience with LXLE, do you have any comparing, or contrasting thoughts to Lubuntu?

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Jarno. said:

Yes it works about the same indeed

Yup, so it's definitely slower than running it on Windows. Unless the OP has a very underpowered PC, the OS shouldn't really impact the performance by much.

[Jarno.]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Yup, so it's definitely slower than running it on Windows. Unless the OP has a very underpowered PC, the OS shouldn't really impact the performance by much.

well you see wine is very buggy running Windows 10 in a virtual machine using either VMware or Virtual Box and run the aplication in the VM is actually faster then running it trough wine. Some applications won't even install at wine, example being Microsoft office.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, fpo said:

Not bad actually haha. i5 3450, 12 gb ddr3, and an r9 390. When I have Maya, Unity, substance painter, and edge open all at the same time my computer slows down, sometimes when going to test modifications with Unity the computer really bogs down. I have a strong feeling it's windows because it's just getting slower and slower. Even with new projects (As in there is very little geometry, and less scripts than what I used to do when I had windows 8 on my lower spec laptop.)

 

Try more RAM. If you have a bunch of large editing programs and projects open, it'll eat up your RAM. Then Windows will try and compress the least important stuff, slowing down your PC.

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, fpo said:

1. You use Lubuntu for every use case?

2. Do you have any experience with LXLE?

3. If you have experience with LXLE, do you have any comparing, or contrasting thoughts to Lubuntu?

1. no, I use it mostly for testing/benchmarking and learning
2. no; I doubt it makes any diff on a decent pc, and you said i5 with 12GB of RAM ... yeah, it won't matter
3. -

I chose Lubuntu because Ubuntu and Mint gave me issues with either installing STEAM or the video drivers (GeForce); Lubuntu just worked

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Looks like LXLE is a bit bigger, has more apps etc, but is slower than Lubuntu. If you're up to it, look up one of the linux distros that's just the kernel, and then only install what you absolutely need.

I'm not an expert on Linux, and I don't know that I'll be able to take any classes or anything on installing stuff through a kernel. I was hoping to do just install the OS with little to no bog down/applications on it, then install what I want myself from a browser. Windows just has so many things running no matter what you do.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Jarno. said:

Using wine to run windows applications actually use more CPU power as it have to add a virtual layer. in other words it have to translate instructions. Rendering using a light linux distro useless. 

I wasn't planning on having everything run through play on Linux, however I understand what you're saying.

I wanted to move completely to Linux based applications to make things faster. Only in the beginning would I use things on Wine or Play On Linux.

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, fpo said:

I'm not an expert on Linux, and I don't know that I'll be able to take any classes or anything on installing stuff through a kernel. I was hoping to do just install the OS with little to no bog down/applications on it, then install what I want myself from a browser. Windows just has so many things running no matter what you do.

Yes, they are lighter than Windows as stock, but I don't think Windows is slowing down your pc that much. Maybe look into a starter edition of windows 7 or something. It's for low powered netbooks, so it'd be super light and still have native windows support.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Try more RAM. If you have a bunch of large editing programs and projects open, it'll eat up your RAM. Then Windows will try and compress the least important stuff, slowing down your PC.

I was am planning on moving to Linux now, and soon upgrade to Ryzen 7 and getting 16 or 32 GB of ram so that way I would have a more powerful workstation.

[Zando_]

Just now, fpo said:

I was am planning on moving to Linux now, and soon upgrade to Ryzen 7 and getting 16 or 32 GB of ram so that way I would have a more powerful workstation.

Does Ryzen work well with Linux? It's so new, I'd wait a bit for it to settle in.

[manikyath]

most of the stuff in the tree under ubuntu is almost a "direct" reskin of ubuntu itself.

 

that said, Lubuntu is great, if you look at a low end hardware side of things. if you have just a bit more under the hood, Xubuntu is an amazing choice, and if you're special you can also go for Kubuntu or KDE neon.

 

beyond that, ubuntu itself actually isnt all too bad either. and offourse i should also mention that wine isnt as smooth as you seem to think it is

 

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Does Ryzen work well with Linux? It's so new, I'd wait a bit for it to settle in.

i think the general answer to this is that if you want linux to run on cutting edge hardware, be prepared to be the first hand bugtester

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

1. no, I use it mostly for testing/benchmarking and learning
2. no; I doubt it makes any diff on a decent pc, and you said i5 with 12GB of RAM ... yeah, it won't matter
3. -

I chose Lubuntu because Ubuntu and Mint gave me issues with either installing STEAM or the video drivers (GeForce); Lubuntu just worked

What do you use for your actual use cases then?

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Does Ryzen work well with Linux? It's so new, I'd wait a bit for it to settle in.

I saw that it works well with Arch as of now. I am not upgrading quite yet, so that will allow time for Linux drivers, and support to come out.

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yes, they are lighter than Windows as stock, but I don't think Windows is slowing down your pc that much. Maybe look into a starter edition of windows 7 or something. It's for low powered netbooks, so it'd be super light and still have native windows support.

I have a netbook with windows 7 starter edition on it, but I don't know that windows 7 starter is available for purchase. Can you link me to somewhere I could buy it?

I am curious, but also skeptical about buying windows OS because I don't want to be restricted to how many computers can legally run the software I want to use. I am aiming to have all the computers I get in the future to all run the same OS because I find it easier than having to adapt to Windows changing everything around every single upgrade, and then having to pay for it. (I used XP from its release till 2014 when I got a new computer. I don't like windows changing everything all the time.)

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, fpo said:

What do you use for your actual use cases then?

besides benchmarking on my main PC!?!

 

my NAS runs Lubuntu because it's a slim OS - Samba shares, PLEX DLNA

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, manikyath said:

most of the stuff in the tree under ubuntu is almost a "direct" reskin of ubuntu itself.

 

that said, Lubuntu is great, if you look at a low end hardware side of things. if you have just a bit more under the hood, Xubuntu is an amazing choice, and if you're special you can also go for Kubuntu or KDE neon.

 

beyond that, ubuntu itself actually isnt all too bad either. and offourse i should also mention that wine isnt as smooth as you seem to think it is

 

i think the general answer to this is that if you want linux to run on cutting edge hardware, be prepared to be the first hand bugtester

1. What's the differences between Xubuntu and Kubuntu from the rest?

About a year ago I tried installing the "Workstation" version of Ubuntu but it auto directed me to download the normal version of Ubuntu so I thought it was some *Insert fraud word here*

 

I am aiming at Lubuntu because it seems that less resources used means more resources available to be used by programs.

As for Xubuntu for systems with "More under the hood" I would like you to elaborate a but on that.

2. What are the benefits, and reasons to use that (Xubuntu) over other OS varients?

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, fpo said:

 

I have a netbook with windows 7 starter edition on it, but I don't know that windows 7 starter is available for purchase. Can you link me to somewhere I could buy it?

I am curious, but also skeptical about buying windows OS because I don't want to be restricted to how many computers can legally run the software I want to use. I am aiming to have all the computers I get in the future to all run the same OS because I find it easier than having to adapt to Windows changing everything around every single upgrade, and then having to pay for it. (I used XP from its release till 2014 when I got a new computer. I don't like windows changing everything all the time.)

Looks like Windows 7 starter only runs on netbooks, and you can't get it normally. Bummer. I'd swap out the hard drive in your PC with a new one, install Lubuntu, try it out, and if it doesn't work you just take it out, pop your old one in, and you're back to normal.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

besides benchmarking on my main PC!?!

 

my NAS runs Lubuntu because it's a slim OS - Samba shares, PLEX DLNA

So you use Lubuntu for all your server based needs?

Do you use Lubuntu for any "Daily computing," work, or gaming?