Frist time custom water cooling lop

[KB_TheDireWolf]

Basted on some feed back I have changed some parts around:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/KB_TheDireWolf/saved/tmKbvK

 

Added a bit of a better mobo that can OC better and fits my color color scheme of red, white, and black so much better than the MSI Tomahawk.

 

MSI GTX 1060 since #1 It's cheaper to buy than the EVGA, #2 If I can use the stock backplate it would be cheaper to cool than the EVGA card (If the stock back plate does not work, whelp I'll have to order one from NCIX), #3 EKWB has made a cooler just for the MSI GTX gaming series so I am in the belief that it have more of a chance of fitting. Also you CAN SEE THE PCB for the Gaming X 1060 unlike the EVGA FTW on EK website. Everything seams to line up to my eye!

 

Bit of a cheaper storage option of an SSD and WD blue.

 

Am planing on not upgrading ANYTHING! for over 3 years (The max in house replacement warranty through Memory Express). I think that tech has come to a pinnacle and that performance increased I believe will not be that meaningful (Unless you are JayTwoCents and have to have the best of the best lol), I only want to run a high refresh rate 1080p, or a 1440 monitor. The GTX 1060 can easily push that out!

 

I just want to be able to say that I have been able to build a system that has a custom lop. I tried to build PC for other people posting ads online, just that nobody ever bit the bate. I thinking having a vlong showing myself building a system that has a custom lop can prove to people I know what am doing. Anyway, if you have anything to have to add go ahead.

[Daniel Z.]

3 minutes ago, KB_TheDireWolf said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7WH9Ps

 

Here is my rational PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING!:

 

Okay I've come into some money (not going to say how) and my old PC died, so that means lets built a new pc! I've set a budget of around $2,000 Canadian, so that is the list I've come up with. I live in Alberta so Memory Express is my go to. They replaced a DOA modo within 2 days for free when I dropped it off, they will even deal with the RMA's of your components, and have a really good price match!

 

I WANT TO MAKE A CUSTOM LOP NO ANDS IF OR BUTS! I just want to do, its something I've dreamed of since watching Linus, Jaystwocents, BitWit, etc. I also just want to prove to myself that I can do it. 

 

Color theme, wanted red and white because it's something a little different and am Canadian after all lol. Had to settle on red, white and black.

 

Waiting for Ryzen A5 to launch, I do content creation for youtube so that 1600 is the sweet spot for me. Cooling it by water so you can overclock it to the moon!

 

The mobo to me the best price to performance out there. 6 power phase, LED lighting, M.2, and an overclock-able chipset for $150. Sweet deal to me!

 

Now I really do not care what you shale say, if you think am wasting money cooling a GTX 1060 with an EKWB well you can think that. Because, people have cooled RX 480's with a EKWB, the GTX 1060 is faster for around the same price is my thinking. Why not water cool it! I really want to see all the sliders at max in afterburner LOL.

 

The case I like! You can really openly see your build so easily. That has been one of my major contemplates of cases is you have to have them on your desk to see into the buggers! (Unless you have a V21)

Picked a M.2 drive cause I really get sick of how long it takes for things to move around when doing editing etc.  

 

The PSU was the best price and had good review opening the thing up. 

 

The fans I am open to changing, just thought be cool to use ML's. Meg Lev tech really cool!

 

There is only really one canadian water cooling website out there. SO thats where all the stuff is coming from!

 

If you see if am missing something, or maybe I could improve please let me know! (Have built PC's in the past, just no custom water cooling)

 

RX 480 is similar in dx11 but much better in dx12 or Vulcan. Ek has a full block for the 480 reference

[VVoltor]

More than 2000 dollars for a Ryzen 5 and a 1060 3GB? 

Are you even serious? 120 dollars for fans in a build with a budget CPU?

 

Seems like style over substance.... But hey, each to their own I guess.

[MorganO]

31 minutes ago, KB_TheDireWolf said:

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https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/

 

 

-theres no fullcover blocks for the 1060

-reference design rx480 is the only one they have made a block for

[KB_TheDireWolf]

2 hours ago, VVoltor said:

More than 2000 dollars for a Ryzen 5 and a 1060 3GB? 

Are you even serious? 120 dollars for fans in a build with a budget CPU?

 

Seems like style over substance.... But hey, each to their own I guess.

 It's only 1495 in the US, and I guess cheaper fans here I come! Also am tring to stay within that $2000 price range so I do not freak out my mom (Only 18 still living with her), if I went to a 1070 that is over $550 Canadian! I am getting one very large lump sum at first, then will be getting income monthly. So shooting for around $2000 Canadian while getting a new monitor! I am stuck with a 17" 1050p screen from Dell thats like gosh over 5 years old!

 

To me there is nothing budget about the Ryzen 5 1600. ITS 6 CORES 12 THREADS AND FRICKING UNLOCKED! It will knock the shit out of $250 Canadian price range, the best intel can muster is the I5-7400!

 

I do stream and make videos have a small 160 sub channel. Now am hoping to make it grow! Make more videos on tech, video games, and guns! All my favorite things!

 

(Do not worry am not a total idiot, I am blowing a hole lot of cash on a PC yeah. However, I will be putting away at least $1,000-2,000 Canadian in a high interest savings account!)

 

And well I really want to help out a friend. I suffer from mid-aspergers and my social skills are very poor when am around kids at school, tired to play football (like the contact kind in full pads) to make friends didn't really work. He moved in next to me, and well he has been my only friend in such a long time that I cannot even remember the last time I had a real one. He has been a rock for me and I want to say thanks. I want to take the parts that do work from my old system (GTX 960, CX 500, my case and fans, and a 212 EVO) get a cheap Ryzen mobo and chip when they launch and surprise him with it!'

[KB_TheDireWolf]

1 hour ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/

 

 

-theres no fullcover blocks for the 1060

-reference design rx480 is the only one they have made a block for

I've done my research EVGA has kept components in the same place for the GTX 1060 FTW+ as a founders edition 1080. Hence why a GTX 1080 full water block I have right now would fit. It is even on EKBW list: https://www.ekwb.com/configurator/waterblock/3831109831274

 

 

[KB_TheDireWolf]

2 hours ago, Daniel Z. said:

RX 480 is similar in dx11 but much better in dx12 or Vulcan. Ek has a full block for the 480 reference

I've done my research EVGA has kept components in the same place for the GTX 1060 FTW+ as a founders edition 1080. Hence why a GTX 1080 full water block I have right now would fit. It is even on EKBW list: https://www.ekwb.com/configurator/waterblock/3831109831274

[Laurensvdg]

okay boi, no let me tell you where you are wrong:

 

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Picked a M.2 drive cause I really get sick of how long it takes for things to move around when doing editing etc.

 is like saying :" My blue car is too slow, i'm gonna buy a red one!"

 

M.2 is a form factor, not some  faster form SSDs. You have to buy a NVME drive, which generally costs 100-200$ more, to get higher speeds (linus has 3 or 4 videos on it.. the "NVME as fast as possible" one is the best one IMO)

 

Look at the sequential write/read speeds and Iops, those tell you how fast the SSD is going to be, not the form factor.

 

Go for a 500 gb Samsung EVO 850 (which is faster than the M.2 thingy you picked), or get an NVME drive (like the samsung evo 960 or pro 960 or something similar)

 

Ps. If you want really really high Overclocks, the b350 tomahawk, might not be the best choice. not saying that it's bad (i'm actually going to buy it myself), but dont expect overclocks beyond 4.0 GHz with any Ryzen processor. Afaik some people got 4.1 on the asus crosshair VI, but thats clearly not worth it, considering the MB costs 100$ more than the msi one...but a slightly better board with 2 M.2 slots, SLI compatibility, better sound stuff and possibly RGB (i mean... 700$ for cooling but cheaping out on RGB?! :-P), like the MSI x370 gaming pro carbon or the ASUS prime pro something thing might be worth considering. 

 

Pps. I DO understand why you want to Watercool the whole thing, but i'd consider watercooling the processor first and waiting for a "probably better priced Rx Vega" before spending another 200-300$ on cooling a 200$ card. The EK performance kit with 360 rad would be a great place to start  

 

Other than that:  Looks like a cool project! Have fun building it and make sure nothing leaks over your hardware  

[MorganO]

3 hours ago, KB_TheDireWolf said:

I've done my research EVGA has kept components in the same place for the GTX 1060 FTW+ as a founders edition 1080. Hence why a GTX 1080 full water block I have right now would fit. It is even on EKBW list: https://www.ekwb.com/configurator/waterblock/3831109831274

 

 

based on a visual inspection

[Daniel Z.]

2 hours ago, KB_TheDireWolf said:

I've done my research EVGA has kept components in the same place for the GTX 1060 FTW+ as a founders edition 1080. Hence why a GTX 1080 full water block I have right now would fit. It is even on EKBW list: https://www.ekwb.com/configurator/waterblock/3831109831274

Please for the love of whatever you believe in, get the reference 480. Its faster and cheaper. It is also guaranteed to work with its water block

[Daniel Z.]

The Ryzen 5 is definitely a budget CPU.

[KB_TheDireWolf]

1 hour ago, Daniel Z. said:

The Ryzen 5 is definitely a budget CPU.

Yeah, that will act like a $600 or more intel chip. Hell the 1700 oc'ed beats out the Intel Core i7-6900K I believe. AMD is one heck of a value with Ryzen if you ask me.

[KB_TheDireWolf]

4 hours ago, Laurensvdg said:

okay boi, no let me tell you where you are wrong:

 

 is like saying :" My blue car is too slow, i'm gonna buy a red one!"

 

M.2 is a form factor, not some  faster form SSDs. You have to buy a NVME drive, which generally costs 100-200$ more, to get higher speeds (linus has 3 or 4 videos on it.. the "NVME as fast as possible" one is the best one IMO)

 

Look at the sequential write/read speeds and Iops, those tell you how fast the SSD is going to be, not the form factor.

 

Go for a 500 gb Samsung EVO 850 (which is faster than the M.2 thingy you picked), or get an NVME drive (like the samsung evo 960 or pro 960 or something similar)

 

Ps. If you want really really high Overclocks, the b350 tomahawk, might not be the best choice. not saying that it's bad (i'm actually going to buy it myself), but dont expect overclocks beyond 4.0 GHz with any Ryzen processor. Afaik some people got 4.1 on the asus crosshair VI, but thats clearly not worth it, considering the MB costs 100$ more than the msi one...but a slightly better board with 2 M.2 slots, SLI compatibility, better sound stuff and possibly RGB (i mean... 700$ for cooling but cheaping out on RGB?! :-P), like the MSI x370 gaming pro carbon or the ASUS prime pro something thing might be worth considering. 

 

Pps. I DO understand why you want to Watercool the whole thing, but i'd consider watercooling the processor first and waiting for a "probably better priced Rx Vega" before spending another 200-300$ on cooling a 200$ card. The EK performance kit with 360 rad would be a great place to start  

 

Other than that:  Looks like a cool project! Have fun building it and make sure nothing leaks over your hardware  

I didn't want to go over bored with the mobo. However, you are right and well the ASRock X370 Killer SLI will match my build to a tee! Yeah, going for an SDD only system is a bit dumb. I had worked with an boot SSD and WD blue in the past worked really well. I've now opted for an MSI GTX 1060 since #1 It's cheaper to buy than the EVGA, #2 If I can use the stock backplate it would be cheaper to cool than the EVGA card (If the stock back plate does not work, whelp I'll have to order one from NCIX), #3 EKWB has made a cooler just for the MSI GTX gaming series so I am in the belief that it have more of a chance of fitting. Also you CAN SEE THE PCB for the Gaming X 1060 unlike the EVGA FTW on EK website. Everything seams to line up to my eye! I may just get the block through NCIX so I can return it if I have to (praying it will work) and ill have to settle on a cpu lop only.

 

I also am doing this because well, I would love to build PC's for customers! I think it would be an eye catching build to have on a ad.  

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/KB_TheDireWolf/saved/tmKbvK

 

Just search my user name KB_TheDireWolf and sub to my channel. I plan on doing a build vlog. Thanks for thinking this would be a cool project! 

[KB_TheDireWolf]

2 hours ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

based on a visual inspection

I've updated my build, basted on advice from you guys: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/KB_TheDireWolf/saved/tmKbvK

[KB_TheDireWolf]

2 hours ago, Daniel Z. said:

whatever you believe in

Am atheist.

[Daniel Z.]

5 hours ago, KB_TheDireWolf said:

Am atheist.

Get the 8g 480 reference, then put the ek water block on it. Its faster than the 1060 and much cheaper

[Daniel Z.]

I still don't know why op wants to play more for an inferior gpu

[KB_TheDireWolf]

7 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

I still don't know why op wants to play more for an inferior gpu

Every test I've seen the RX 480 is slower, However it is cheaper. Maybe.... Just maybe....

[Daniel Z.]

Just now, KB_TheDireWolf said:

Every test I've seen the RX 480 is slower, However it is cheaper. Maybe.... Just maybe....

See newer benchmarks, they're similar in dx11 but the 480 pulls ahead in higher resolutions and dx12

[KB_TheDireWolf]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

See newer benchmarks, they're similar in dx11 but the 480 pulls ahead in higher resolutions and dx12

Well I see, I will heed your advice. 

[KB_TheDireWolf]

37 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

See newer benchmarks, they're similar in dx11 but the 480 pulls ahead in higher resolutions and dx12

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/KB_TheDireWolf/saved/tmKbvK

[Laurensvdg]

The updated version looks... wierd

 

1st: Getting a single stick of memory is a good decision if you want to upgrade within the next few months. BUT Since Ryzen is highly dependant on good memory speeds, i don't get why you'd go for a 8g 2400 stick. I dont know if that stuff is OC-able, but just to be sure, i would buy the 3000 Mhz stick. And since you dont want to upgrade: GET TWO STICKS (8 gig is enough for most games right now, but if you want to be future-proof for the next few years, i would go for 16 gigs)

 

2nd: When you were planning on buying the 1600x, spending 50 bucks on a better mobo seemed good (thats like... 15% of the CPU price... not that much), but with a ryzen 1400?! Get a budget b350 mobo. ALSO: You've still got the 230$ for the 1600 in your calculation.

 

3rd: You are saying, that you want a mobo that can OC better than the b350 tomahawk. There are probably 3 or 4 models that OC better, all of which cost 100 bucks more.

Spending more for a mobo that can OC better is not going to be worth it for you ; Ryzen only OCs to 4Ghz anyways... Silicon-lottery will have more impact...

 

4th: The 480 8g is, in my understanding, much better for higher resolutions than the 1060. I mean, it's your decision, but i would not go for the graphics card that might be better in some games right now, but is probably gonna be worse in 1 years time... (you are also buying a ryzen CPU, hoping, that games and stuff will use the higher core-count in the future and that it will still be fast enough in a few years... they might also be working better with an AMD GPU, who knows?! )

 

5th: The EKWB supremacy evo is not that much better than the supremacy MX (most people say its about 1°C). I have never built a custom loop, but your seems REALLY expensive for what it's supposed to cool (also an extra slim 360 rad wont be enough for Graphics card and CPU on high overclocks). The EKWB l series kit has a "normal" 360 rad included which might be enough. JayTwoCents always says : "120 per component, 240 if you want to OC", which seems pretty legit, since you use a 240 slim rad for AIO water coolers... The liquid series kit with a Graphics card monoblock should cost about 500 dollars, which still is a lot, considering that the components in your PC cost about 1000$. (and is has 3 vardar fans included!)

 

 

Ps. The 300$ ryzen chips do give you better value than the 1000$ chips by intel, but so do some of intels chips! The ryzen 5 1600x is probably going to be worse than the 7600k in gaming, but better in content creation, but it will never ever overclock as well as the intel chip! Same goes for cheaper alternatives... Bottomline: A 250$ ryzen wont GENERALLY perform like a 700$ intel chip, in some cases it might, in others it will be worse than a 200$ intel chip.

[Guest]

I don't see the point in watercooling a low end gpu/cpu. Why not spend the cost of the water cooling on better parts ? For $2116CAD you should be getting more than a GTX 1060 and R5 1400.

[KB_TheDireWolf]

whoops

[KB_TheDireWolf]

On 3/26/2017 at 8:30 AM, lee32uk said:

I don't see the point in watercooling a low end gpu/cpu. Why not spend the cost of the water cooling on better parts ? For $2116CAD you should be getting more than a GTX 1060 and R5 1400.

 

I have changed my plans, I added the money up and well a GTX 1070 G8 from MSI would cost the same as a GTX 1060 G6. So I just said fuck it and bought 1070. Still bought a block for it thanks to some looking around trying to find places I could save money in and eke by on my 2k budget for the PC.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/KB_TheDireWolf/saved/487gsY

 

We shale see what I pick when Ryzen 5 comes out, would like that 6 core kinda overkill I guess, Ah who the fuck am I kidding, spending 700 on water cooling parts. My mom is going to ring my neck LOL.  

 

I have also spent like $250 on my buddy. I have aspergers and am clueless how to small talk with people face to face. He has been the only friend I've had in so many years that I just had to say thanks in some way. I took the scraps of Bad Wolf (GTX 960, PSU, and the case. Keeping the SSHD for Red Husky) got the cheapest board that was at Memex, the cheapest I3 Kabylake, 4gb of ddr 4. and 750gb hhd. I played him like a fiddle telling him it was for a client and had him help me. Got it to post, boot etc. and I said: I said that this was for a friend, (clueing in) me? Yup! Your just joking aren't you? Nope! The poor guy started tearing up! Fuck it well worth his reaction for me.

On 3/26/2017 at 7:56 AM, Laurensvdg said:

The updated version looks... wierd

 

1st: Getting a single stick of memory is a good decision if you want to upgrade within the next few months. BUT Since Ryzen is highly dependant on good memory speeds, i don't get why you'd go for a 8g 2400 stick. I dont know if that stuff is OC-able, but just to be sure, i would buy the 3000 Mhz stick. And since you dont want to upgrade: GET TWO STICKS (8 gig is enough for most games right now, but if you want to be future-proof for the next few years, i would go for 16 gigs)

 

2nd: When you were planning on buying the 1600x, spending 50 bucks on a better mobo seemed good (thats like... 15% of the CPU price... not that much), but with a ryzen 1400?! Get a budget b350 mobo. ALSO: You've still got the 230$ for the 1600 in your calculation.

 

3rd: You are saying, that you want a mobo that can OC better than the b350 tomahawk. There are probably 3 or 4 models that OC better, all of which cost 100 bucks more.

Spending more for a mobo that can OC better is not going to be worth it for you ; Ryzen only OCs to 4Ghz anyways... Silicon-lottery will have more impact...

 

4th: The 480 8g is, in my understanding, much better for higher resolutions than the 1060. I mean, it's your decision, but i would not go for the graphics card that might be better in some games right now, but is probably gonna be worse in 1 years time... (you are also buying a ryzen CPU, hoping, that games and stuff will use the higher core-count in the future and that it will still be fast enough in a few years... they might also be working better with an AMD GPU, who knows?! )

 

5th: The EKWB supremacy evo is not that much better than the supremacy MX (most people say its about 1°C). I have never built a custom loop, but your seems REALLY expensive for what it's supposed to cool (also an extra slim 360 rad wont be enough for Graphics card and CPU on high overclocks). The EKWB l series kit has a "normal" 360 rad included which might be enough. JayTwoCents always says : "120 per component, 240 if you want to OC", which seems pretty legit, since you use a 240 slim rad for AIO water coolers... The liquid series kit with a Graphics card monoblock should cost about 500 dollars, which still is a lot, considering that the components in your PC cost about 1000$. (and is has 3 vardar fans included!)

 

 

Ps. The 300$ ryzen chips do give you better value than the 1000$ chips by intel, but so do some of intels chips! The ryzen 5 1600x is probably going to be worse than the 7600k in gaming, but better in content creation, but it will never ever overclock as well as the intel chip! Same goes for cheaper alternatives... Bottomline: A 250$ ryzen wont GENERALLY perform like a 700$ intel chip, in some cases it might, in others it will be worse than a 200$ intel chip.

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1: To me, there is no such thing as future proofing. I'm going to buy the highest end hardware I can so I do not have to spend major money for at least 3-4 years. I think that tech has come to it's pinnacle and Moore's law doesn't apply anymore. I'm not JaysTwoCents, I will be content for Red Husky (what am calling the PC) as my personal rig once it's built for a very long time. I want to use this also more as a showcase as to my skills. Hell, see if I can get anybody wanting a custom PC from me.

 

2: I finalized on the Asrock Kill X370, that is total overkill. However, it fits my color scheme and I may just get the 5 1600 in the future.

 

4: I said fuck it to the RX and 1060! So no more worries!

 

5: Mate, I had no idea there were even two cpu blocks from EK. Also, I have no choice EITHER! I'm from Canada, our dollar is shit, and trying to ship cross-border is just a pain. Am limited to NCIX and Dazmode.com, Daz had the AM4 conversion kit for the supremacy so I just went with that. With the Rads I have a single 360 and a 120, with 4 Pure Wings 3 High Speed. Mate, I plan on having those fans near full speed due to their noise to performance. 77 CFM and over 3mm of H20 at 2200rpm, AT 28DB!?!?! 

Also having a Pure Base 600 TG is going to help due to sound dampening material.

Here is the finalized build, what Ryzen I'll pick will be a mystery until launch and I know what my bank account will look like then: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/