i5's not enough

[Dogsparky]

so i have been looking at a lot of posts on here and quite a few people and regulars here have been saying that i5s are on their last legs for gaming now and people are reccomending i7s mostly now because of it, so is that actually something that is starting to happen? 

[DoctorZeus]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

so i have been looking at a lot of posts on here and quite a few people and regulars here have been saying that i5s are on their last legs for gaming now and people are reccomending i7s mostly now because of it, so is that actually something that is starting to happen? 

The power level your hardware needs to be at will always be dependent on: Other hardware, expectations, expected longevity, budget, needs, etc.

[Dogsparky]

2 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

so i have been looking at a lot of posts on here and quite a few people and regulars here have been saying that i5s are on their last legs for gaming now and people are reccomending i7s mostly now because of it, so is that actually something that is starting to happen? 

first comment you run across while scrolling through

 

[killcomic]

No. It's the same as people saying that no-one games at 1080p because everyone has moved to 4K.

Check out Steam's survey. A lot of people still game on 2 cores. Developers are not going to make games that require CPUs that most people don't use.

My 3570K still plays just fine. I think it's wishful thinking more than anything else.

 

 

[Dogsparky]

Just now, DoctorZeus said:

The power level your hardware needs to be at will always be dependent on: Other hardware, expectations, expected longevity, budget, needs, etc.

here is one link i was looking at to make me make this post as well if you were curious as to who was saying this stuff

 

[Dogsparky]

so it is just all this new stuff coming out making it seem light years ahead of the i5 that people think that well now games are too overwhelming for this then?

[DoctorZeus]

Just now, Dogsparky said:

here is one link i was looking at to make me make this post as well if you were curious as to who was saying this stuff

 

In that context the user wants to keep the system for 6-7 years. It isn't unreasonable to say that current i5s will not be enough for such a long time with high end gaming.

[Dogsparky]

Just now, DoctorZeus said:

In that context the user wants to keep the system for 6-7 years. It isn't unreasonable to say that current i5s will not be enough for such a long time with high end gaming.

so only to people who will use the CPU for like 2-3 years max and upgrade to new hardware by the time games get better in that time?

[TheOnlinePotato]

people will be saying the i5 is not enough for 1070/80/80ti. for the 1080 and the 1080ti its mostly true. as for the 1070 there is the odd case of bottleneck but no the i5 is still plenty for gaming if you pair with something like a 1060 6gb or rx 480.

[DoctorZeus]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

so only to people who will use the CPU for like 2-3 years max and upgrade to new hardware by the time games get better in that time?

if you want high performance in high end games with high settings with a top graphics card sure.

[Dogsparky]

Just now, DoctorZeus said:

if you want high performance in high end games with high settings with a top graphics card sure.

so it all depends on the resolution too, because to me 1080p is fine and honestly the 27 inch 1080p ips monitors look good and mostly i dont see ghosting

[Dogsparky]

2 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

people will be saying the i5 is not enough for 1070/80/80ti. for the 1080 and the 1080ti its mostly true. as for the 1070 there is the odd case of bottleneck but no the i5 is still plenty for gaming if you pair with something like a 1060 6gb or rx 480.

the i5 with a 1070 bottlenecks with like a 6600k so the 1070 is waiting on the cpu to send the gpu information?

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

the i5 with a 1070 bottlenecks with like a 6600k so the 1070 is waiting on the cpu to send the gpu information?

bottle necking is when your system is performing poorly because one component cannot keep up the rest, sort of like a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. the most common component to bottle neck a system is the cpu. from what ive heard i5s dont have enough l3 cache to take powerful gpus like a 1080ti this dose not mean the i5 cannot game anymore.

[Dogsparky]

1 minute ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

bottle necking is when your system is performing poorly because one component cannot keep up the rest, sort of like a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. the most common component to bottle neck a system is the cpu. from what ive heard i5s dont have enough l3 cache to take powerful gpus like a 1080ti this dose not mean the i5 cannot game anymore.

so the max i would be able to use with an i5 would be a 1070 nothing higher?

[Erazukka]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

so the max i would be able to use with an i5 would be a 1070 nothing higher?

For 1080p gaming I would stick to a gtx 1060. I'm using a i5 4430 paired with a 1060 and when gaming (bf1) my cpu is always at 100% while my gpu is at 85-90% usage. A 1070 would be overkill in my system. 

[Dogsparky]

5 minutes ago, Erazukka said:

For 1080p gaming I would stick to a gtx 1060. I'm using a i5 4430 paired with a 1060 and when gaming (bf1) my cpu is always at 100% while my gpu is at 85-90% usage. A 1070 would be overkill in my system. 

oh as of this moment i have a xfx 390x got it on sale on newegg for $250 and of this moment i have a 6600k which is why i am figuring this out, but it seems the 6600k would be fine for a 1070 but it would be cutting it?

[Erazukka]

I think you should be fine pairing a 6600k and a 1070. Are you planning on overclocking the cpu?

[TheOnlinePotato]

27 minutes ago, Dogsparky said:

oh as of this moment i have a xfx 390x got it on sale on newegg for $250 and of this moment i have a 6600k which is why i am figuring this out, but it seems the 6600k would be fine for a 1070 but it would be cutting it?

the bottlenecks ive heard with i5s and 1070s are at stock speeds so if you overclock you should be good.

[Polakki]

6600k and gtx 1070. Yep, its good combo.

[Dogsparky]

22 minutes ago, Erazukka said:

I think you should be fine pairing a 6600k and a 1070. Are you planning on overclocking the cpu?

i haven't overclocked yet but waiting for 2018 before upgrading, but overclocking i want to check out at some point this year. but basically it all depends on the resolution and types of games i play for the CPU to go over the top?

[Dogsparky]

2 minutes ago, Polakki said:

6600k and gtx 1070. Yep, its good combo.

that seems to be the consensus here except for that guy saying that the i5 bottlenecks at stock speeds for both so not sure if if games are now starting to become better therefore need better CPUs and faster but it seems like for the most part they are ok as long as you pair them with a decent GPU with the right resolution then it wont go over anything and impede you

[Erazukka]

1 minute ago, Dogsparky said:

i haven't overclocked yet but waiting for 2018 before upgrading, but overclocking i want to check out at some point this year. but basically it all depends on the resolution and types of games i play for the CPU to go over the top?

Jep, correct. But at this moment I don't think alot of games will top a i5 6600k. You will get amazing results with the 6600k and GTX 1070.

[JoostinOnline]

1 hour ago, killcomic said:

No. It's the same as people saying that no-one games at 1080p because everyone has moved to 4K.

Check out Steam's survey. A lot of people still game on 2 cores. Developers are not going to make games that require CPUs that most people don't use.

My 3570K still plays just fine. I think it's wishful thinking more than anything else.

 

 

Or who say that 60fps is "unplayable"

1 hour ago, Dogsparky said:

so it is just all this new stuff coming out making it seem light years ahead of the i5 that people think that well now games are too overwhelming for this then?

Not all i5's are created equal.  It's not much more than a label.  But I was playing with an i3-4160 until recently.

 

PS: Your topic title made me think of James Bond

[Dogsparky]

11 hours ago, Erazukka said:

Jep, correct. But at this moment I don't think alot of games will top a i5 6600k. You will get amazing results with the 6600k and GTX 1070.

people just talk about the 6600k not being able to handle future graphics card from this point on and cant handle super CPU intensive stuff like BF1 too well but mostly it works fines but as time progresses on from now it will become obsolete as games become more intensive on my CPU, makes sense 

[Dogsparky]

11 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

Or who say that 60fps is "unplayable"

Not all i5's are created equal.  It's not much more than a label.  But I was playing with an i3-4160 until recently.

 

PS: Your topic title made me think of James Bond

i think 60fps is my sweetspot, it doesn't force me to buy a 144hz monitor, though i have one but i am also wanting to get a second ips monitor, but it seems the thought about this here is that the i5's mostly are people saying that some games can utilize more threads and cores like BF1 but for the most part it should run fine if you mess with the settings and most games aren't even close to games like that