Work PC (none gaming)

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Eh, could always dongle it from vga to hdmi to dvi-d, or get my boss to invest in a half decent monitor w/ hdmi or dvi-d

Well, DVI-D/HDMI to VGA will require an active adapter, which will probably cost like $20-$30. So....

[79wjd]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Canada though, not really cheap

$50-$60~ for DVI+VGA

$80~ for HDMI+DVI+DP

(in Canada)

 

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Nvm on the cpu switch, didn't realize 6th gen is compatitable w/ b260 boards. my bad.

It's compatible, but if you're getting a 200-series board you may as well get a 7500 since it is the same price. 

[Drake10114]

10 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

$50-$60~ for DVI+VGA

$80~ for HDMI+DVI+DP

(in Canada)

 

It's compatible, but if you're getting a 200-series board you may as well get a 7500 since it is the same price. 

Okay, so it would be worth looking into.

So basically, what it's sounding like is, do research on mobo's and find 1 that can support the inputs I have, and that isn't horribly expensive.

How hard are micro-atx pc's to build? Building my first gaming rig in May, so this will be my 2nd (hopefully).

Also, how much would a laptop be for the parts I have listed? (Or something comparable, just to show my boss)

 

[Drake10114]

15 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

$50-$60~ for DVI+VGA

$80~ for HDMI+DVI+DP

(in Canada)

 

It's compatible, but if you're getting a 200-series board you may as well get a 7500 since it is the same price. 

Wait, that B250 I linked earlier, has a d-sub output, which after a google search appears to be another name for vga? Is this true, cause hot damn, I think I found a mobo that would check my boxes.

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

Okay, so it would be worth looking into.

So basically, what it's sounding like is, do research on mobo's and find 1 that can support the inputs I have, and that isn't horribly expensive.

How hard are micro-atx pc's to build? Building my first gaming rig in May, so this will be my 2nd (hopefully).

Also, how much would a laptop be for the parts I have listed? (Or something comparable, just to show my boss)

 

Building mATX is very easy (basically the same as ATX). 

 

I'd guesstimate around $1000~ CAD, but that's a pretty rough guess. Most cheaper laptops will have a hyper-threaded dual core i3/i5/i7, if you want a quad core, you're looking at an i5-6300HQ/7300HQ, which are generally in the more expensive laptops. 

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Wait, that B250 I linked earlier, has a d-sub output, which after a google search appears to be another name for vga? Is this true, cause hot damn, I think I found a mobo that would check my boxes.

yes, dsub is vga.

[Drake10114]

9 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Building mATX is very easy (basically the same as ATX). 

 

I'd guesstimate around $1000~ CAD, but that's a pretty rough guess. Most cheaper laptops will have a hyper-threaded dual core i3/i5/i7, if you want a quad core, you're looking at an i5-6300HQ/7300HQ, which are generally in the more expensive laptops. 

yes, dsub is vga.

Awesome, so for ~$650 I can get everything I want, may try and find a cheaper mobo that is similiar, but may not be able to.

I think the spare monitors may have dvi-d, but having triple monitor down the road would be interesting to have the possibility of doing.

[Drake10114]

16 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Building mATX is very easy (basically the same as ATX). 

 

I'd guesstimate around $1000~ CAD, but that's a pretty rough guess. Most cheaper laptops will have a hyper-threaded dual core i3/i5/i7, if you want a quad core, you're looking at an i5-6300HQ/7300HQ, which are generally in the more expensive laptops. 

yes, dsub is vga.

Quick question, is this mobo any good compared to that gigabyte ($20 cheaper)

http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B250M-HDV/index.asp#Specification

Figure'd it still has most of the parts, (I should never need more than 32gb ram, dual channel is fine for me). and the savings would help offset getting a kabylake.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Quick question, is this mobo any good compared to that gigabyte ($20 cheaper)

http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B250M-HDV/index.asp#Specification

Figure'd it still has most of the parts, (I should never need more than 32gb ram, dual channel is fine for me). and the savings would help offset getting a kabylake.

yeah

[Drake10114]

12 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

yeah

Thanks, you helped quite alot. Seems like a solid build for what I plan on doing w/ it, and should be able to compete w/ a more expensive laptop.

How would it fair vs a cube pc from intel or msi? Since that is the other option I have for upgrade.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

Thanks, you helped quite alot. Seems like a solid build for what I plan on doing w/ it, and should be able to compete w/ a more expensive laptop.

How would it fair vs a cube pc from intel or msi? Since that is the other option I have for upgrade.

You mean a NUC? I dont think they have more than one (maybe two outputs). They're generally going to be around laptop pricing, and I think most -- the cheaper ones anyway -- only have hyperthreaded dual cores.

[Drake10114]

10 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

You mean a NUC? I dont think they have more than one (maybe two outputs). They're generally going to be around laptop pricing, and I think most -- the cheaper ones anyway -- only have hyperthreaded dual cores.

Yeah just noticed that, 

• Intel Core i5-6260U (1.8 GHz up to 2.9 GHz Turbo, Dual Core, 4MB Cache, 15W TDP)

 

Is what a $550 NUC has, which excludes a SSD and an OS, so it seems the pc I have parted out is cheaper.

How does a dual core compared to a quad core? I should have faster speeds, 2mb more Cache, and almost double GHZ?

So in all, it would be better bang for my buck to build rather than get a nuc, correct?

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8 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

Thanks, you helped quite alot. Seems like a solid build for what I plan on doing w/ it, and should be able to compete w/ a more expensive laptop.

How would it fair vs a cube pc from intel or msi? Since that is the other option I have for upgrade.

They use mobile cpu iirc

It's like a smaller laptop w/o a screen

You won't have any upgradability with it too

And if you want you can build a small mini ITX pc that is as small as a console and have all the features you need for cheaper

 

[79wjd]

Just now, Drake10114 said:

Yeah just noticed that, 

• Intel Core i5-6260U (1.8 GHz up to 2.9 GHz Turbo, Dual Core, 4MB Cache, 15W TDP)

 

Is what a $550 NUC has, which excludes a SSD and an OS, so it seems the pc I have parted out is cheaper.

How does a dual core compared to a quad core? I should have faster speeds, 2mb more Cache, and almost double GHZ?

So in all, it would be better bang for my buck to build rather than get a nuc, correct?

A full desktop will basically always offer the best price-to-performance of any platform (especially if you already on all the peripherals).

 

A dual core is honestly more than enough for most people and most basic office tasks, but a quad core is much more powerful.

[Drake10114]

9 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

They use mobile cpu iirc

It's like a smaller laptop w/o a screen

You won't have any upgradability with it too

And if you want you can build a small mini ITX pc that is as small as a console and have all the features you need for cheaper

 

Yeah, and also seems to be a pain in the arse to connect a sata ssd to 1.. at least from the msi 1 I built for the office... connector kept disconnecting lol.

And looks like they use an Intel i5-7260U in the new 7th gen Nuc's, which I imagine get's blown away by the i5-7600's?

[79wjd]

Just now, Drake10114 said:

which I imagine get's blown away by the i5-7600's?

yes.

[Guest]

Just now, Drake10114 said:

Yeah, and also seems to be a pain in the arse to connect a sata ssd to 1.. at least from the msi 1 I built for the office... connector kept disconnecting lol.

And looks like they use an Intel i5-7260U in the new 7th gen Nuc's, which I imagine get's blown away by the i5-7600's?

Yeah it's a mobile cpu which is already bit slower than desktop equivalent

Not to mention 7260U is only a dual core with HT

 

[Drake10114]

9 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

A full desktop will basically always offer the best price-to-performance of any platform (especially if you already on all the peripherals).

 

A dual core is honestly more than enough for most people and most basic office tasks, but a quad core is much more powerful.

I find my laptop's cpu (Pentium N3540 @2.16 GHZ) tends to spike randomly to 100%, but it's constantly boosted to 2.63Ghz. is this cpu dual or a quad core?

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

I find my laptop's cpu (Pentium N3540 @2.16 GHZ) tends to spike randomly to 100%, but it's constantly boosted to 2.63Ghz. is this cpu dual or a quad core?

It's a quad core, but it's not the same design (it's much weaker) as the normal Pentiums/Core I series. So you can't compare them. 

[Drake10114]

10 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Yeah it's a mobile cpu which is already bit slower than desktop equivalent

Not to mention 7260U is only a dual core with HT

 

Only downside I see is warranty, which I imagine is limited to the part manufacturers, and if anything goes belly up, your sol?

But how does that compare to a NUC's warranty?

Sorry if I'm asking so many questions, you guys have alot of knowledge and I wanna know before I suggest this idea.

[Drake10114]

10 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

It's a quad core, but it's not the same design (it's much weaker) as the normal Pentiums/Core I series. So you can't compare them. 

Any idea why it randomly spikes to 100%, or 50%? I opened task manager, and it spiked, then settled down, clicked away and bam 50%

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Drake10114 said:

Only downside I see is warranty, which I imagine is limited to the part manufacturers, and if anything goes belly up, your sol?

But how does that compare to a NUC's warranty?

Sorry if I'm asking so many questions, you guys have alot of knowledge and I wanna know before I suggest this idea.

Most components come with a three year warranty. So if anything goes wrong, you just have to figure out what broke and then RMA it to that company. 

 

1 minute ago, Drake10114 said:

Any idea why it randomly spikes to 100%, or 50%? I opened task manager, and it spiked, then settled down, clicked away and bam 50%

Because it's a slow CPU. 

 

In single-thread passmark (a cpu benchmark), a Pentium N3540 @2.1ghz gets 600~ while an i5-7500 @ 2.1ghz gets about 1200 (2000~ at stock speeds).

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2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Most components come with a three year warranty. So if anything goes wrong, you just have to figure out what broke and then RMA it to that company. 

 

ASROCK does 1 year only

http://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=RMA

Asus however does 3

https://www.asus.com/sg/Motherboards/PRIME-B250M-K/HelpDesk_Warranty/

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

you just have to figure out what broke and then RMA it to that company. 

 

or make a new topic in LTT forum  

[Drake10114]

11 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

 

ASROCK does 1 year only

http://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=RMA

Asus however does 3

https://www.asus.com/sg/Motherboards/PRIME-B250M-K/HelpDesk_Warranty/

So for warranty wise, it might be better to use an Asus mobo, or source Asus parts over others if I can?

[Drake10114]

8 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

or make a new topic in LTT forum  

Ofc lmfao, didn't think of that