Bottleneck

[Anzexx]

So basically im planing on buying the VEGA GPUs (if its good) and i wanna know if my i5 4460 will bottleneck Vega GPUs i assume they will be cheaper and stronger then 1070s any1 here that actually has i5 4460 and 1070 ?

 

Would appreciate the answer, thanks

[KE2012]

My 4670k oc sometimes bottles a 980 now, so assuming Vega is more powerful than current gen, I think you will suffer a bottleneck. This is at 1080p, higher resolutions won't be too bad. 

[Guest Kloaked]

To an extent, probably. What will be limiting you is the clock speed of that CPU. This widely depends on what games you'll be playing as well. You system memory speed can also be a factor.

[Fake Dragonite]

It is very unlikely that any true quad core (basically Intel i5 or better) from this decade will bottleneck a modern graphics card, especially a haswell cpu. When you get the card, make sure to get the NZXT CAM software, which has an overlay that shows cpu and gpu usage in game. If, after you get your card, your cpu is at less than 95% usage and your gpu is consistently at 80% or higher, then congratulations, you don't have a bottleneck.

[Anzexx]

i wanna play games (OW , more in future) at 1080p 144hz, since my r9 380 cant really pump the Frames to 144+ ^^

[Morgan MLGman]

At 1080p, 144Hz there will definitely be a bottleneck, you need an i7 or an R7 to avoid it.

[Anzexx]

1 minute ago, Fake Dragonite said:

It is very unlikely that any true quad core (basically Intel i5 or better) from this decade will bottleneck a modern graphics card, especially a haswell cpu. When you get the card, make sure to get the NZXT CAM software, which has an overlay that shows cpu and gpu usage in game. If, after you get your card, your cpu is at less than 95% usage and your gpu is consistently at 80% or higher, then congratulations, you don't have a bottleneck.

I dont really wanna order and receive a GPU and realise that its bottlenecking it, and returning it aaaaand eh ...

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Anzexx said:

i wanna play games (OW , more in future) at 1080p 144hz, since my r9 380 cant really pump the Frames to 144+ ^^

I would upgrade the CPU before you get a new video card in that case. What are the rest of your system specs?

[Fake Dragonite]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

At 1080p, 144Hz there will definitely be a bottleneck, you need an i7 or an R7 to avoid it.

But why though? OW isn't even a heavily threaded game, especially since it's a DX11 title.

[Anzexx]

Just now, Kloaked said:

I would upgrade the CPU before you get a new video card in that case. What are the rest of your system specs?

https://gyazo.com/3a4a7cb121b64968f4abb05b43a765de (specs)

[KE2012]

OW? Onward? But you are likely to be dipping your foot into bottleneck territory at that FPS, assuming the graphics and game engine are somewhat decent. 

[Anzexx]

1 minute ago, Fake Dragonite said:

But why though? OW isn't even a heavily threaded game, especially since it's a DX11 title.

I mean i wanna play at max settings, and currently my r9 380 cant really handle it

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, Fake Dragonite said:

But why though? OW isn't even a heavily threaded game, especially since it's a DX11 title.

It's just that higher refresh rates require more CPU horsepower and an i5 is not going to deliver nearly as good of an experience as an i7 will, there is also a frametime issue with i5 CPUs. They are significantly higher and have significantly more frametime drops compared to i7 CPUs.

 

Check this out and look at the frametime graphs in games such as Crysis 3 and RotTR:

 

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Anzexx said:

https://gyazo.com/3a4a7cb121b64968f4abb05b43a765de (specs)

I would upgrade to a newer CPU platform and get at least an unlocked i5 at minimum before you get a more powerful video card.

[Anzexx]

Just now, Kloaked said:

I would upgrade to a newer CPU platform and get at least an unlocked i5 at minimum before you get a more powerful video card.

Yeah i cant buy that atm broke af

[Anzexx]

Soooo 1060 or 480 then ?

[Fake Dragonite]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

It's just that higher refresh rates require more CPU horsepower and an i5 is not going to deliver nearly as good of an experience as an i7 will, there is also a frametime issue with i5 CPUs. They are significantly higher and have significantly more frametime drops compared to i7 CPUs.

 

Check this out and look at the frametime graphs in games such as Crysis 3 and RotTR:

 

While I agree that's valid especially with AAA titles, with eSports titles, they are generally less demanding on both the cpu and to make the barrier for entry that much lower. However I will reverse my overall argument in this thread though, seeing as it's a lower clocked i5 than I expected. For some reason I thought it was one of the more "mainstream" haswell skus meaning the 4670 or 4690. However I still feel like if Anzexx isn't going for AAA stuff, a 6600 or 7600 will do them nicely without "breaking the bank" even though they still aren't the cheapest things around.

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Fake Dragonite said:

While I agree that's valid especially with AAA titles, with eSports titles, they are generally less demanding on both the cpu and to make the barrier for entry that much lower. However I will reverse my overall argument in this thread though, seeing as it's a lower clocked i5 than I expected. For some reason I thought it was one of the more "mainstream" haswell skus meaning the 4670 or 4690. However I still feel like if Anzexx isn't going for AAA stuff, a 6600 or 7600 will do them nicely without "breaking the bank" even though they still aren't the cheapest things around.

Though on the other hand, if the titles OP is playing are not that demanding as AAA titles, he can just get away with an RX 480 for 144hz in eSports titles.

[Anzexx]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Though on the other hand, if the titles OP is playing are not that demanding as AAA titles, he can just get away with an RX 480 for 144hz in eSports titles.

I dont only play eSport games, i play some GPU intensive games, like witcher 3 but not many, but feels good to play everything on maxed

[EPPHO]

26 minutes ago, Anzexx said:

So basically im planing on buying the VEGA GPUs (if its good) and i wanna know if my i5 4460 will bottleneck Vega GPUs i assume they will be cheaper and stronger then 1070s any1 here that actually has i5 4460 and 1070 ?

 

Would appreciate the answer, thanks

Yes it will bottleneck but until vega comes out you can save some additional money and upgrade to some used i7 4th gen  

[Anzexx]

Just now, frozeNNN said:

Yes it will bottleneck but until vega comes out you can save some additional money and upgrade to some used i7 4th gen  

Nah i dont have money  

[Fake Dragonite]

In that case then yes, I'd recommend upgrading your processor. However, as intel's IPC hasn't really been evolving too much for a long time (marginal upgrades of 5-10% per generation. Even Luke was running a 2600k until he built "Geodude"), a 4790k along with the gpu upgrade should do you fine.

[DexterSmythe]

31 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

At 1080p, 144Hz there will definitely be a bottleneck, you need an i7 or an R7 to avoid it.

I would wait for the R5 and R3 CPUs because they will have higher clocks for gaming.

[Guest Kloaked]

45 minutes ago, Anzexx said:

Yeah i cant buy that atm broke af

Then save your money.

[EPPHO]

3 hours ago, Anzexx said:

Nah i dont have money  

Vega won't be out any time soon.