Ryzen 'Futureproofing'

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, APasz said:

That's your problem, you missed the actual hard data that was verified by countless techies.

no it wasn't

where are the independent benchmarks? I'll tell you: AMD has issued NDA that won't lift until the products will be on shelves - they bank on the hype train, and it's working

[ZeusXI]

I am with Jay on this one, I will be waiting for benchmarks and reviews. Even said that, I will be preparing in case Ryzen does deliver. I hope they do

[WMGroomAK]

14 minutes ago, zMeul said:

the 4y plan is a huge mistake on AMD's part

My understanding on the 4 year plan by AMD was to allow for adoption/deployment of the AM4 socket and wait for the deployment of DDR5 and the next PCIe standards before making a major revision to their chipsets.  Intel recently has done something similar with their Tick-Tock cycle switching over to their Process/Architecture/Optimization cycle.

[JoostinOnline]

5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I do not give a flying fuck about any presentation, done by anyone (AMD, Intel, nVidia)

until I see verifiable numbers I do not make purchases

 

people buy products solely on PR!? I'd say they have more money than brains

Then maybe you should actually look at the verified numbers that tons of third parties have done.

[APasz]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

no it wasn't

where are the independent benchmarks? I'll tell you: AMD has issued NDA that won't lift until the products will be on shelves - they bank on the hype train, and it's working

Not a full suite of independent benchmarks, no. However there were several side by side benches. Watch the video that linus did and you can see for your self.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, WMGroomAK said:

My understanding on the 4 year plan by AMD was to allow for adoption/deployment of the AM4 socket and wait for the deployment of DDR5 and the next PCIe standards before making a major revision to their chipsets.  Intel recently has done something similar with their Tick-Tock cycle switching over to their Process/Architecture/Optimization cycle.

Intel won't stop putting new CPUs on the market

because if they do stop it immediately translates into loss of their market share

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, APasz said:

Not a full suite of independent benchmarks, no. However there were several side by side benches. Watch the video that linus did and you can see for your self.

side by side benches done by who? don't tell me .. AMD

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Then maybe you should actually look at the verified numbers that tons of third parties have done.

yes? link them please

what 3rd parties have actually published their own Zen benchmarks?

[WMGroomAK]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

Intel won't stop putting new CPUs on the market

because if they do stop it immediately translates into loss of their market share

I didn't say Intel or AMD was going to stop putting processors on the market, but the issue is that Intel is currently on a yearly cycle of incremental refreshes of their 14 nm chips.  This is probably going to be the same path that AMD follows with basically the new Zen based CPUs each year being incremental refreshes with slightly higher IPC and clocks each year.

[smokefest]

14 minutes ago, Thinkfreely said:

I am by no means wealthy, I just live frugally, and save and plan, was planning for this for a while. just said it someone else, I will be a guinea pig, because I am not scared of what my findings are. Return policies are a thing.

I was not aiming at you buddy  

 

Can;t wait to see your review !!!

[zMeul]

6 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

I didn't say Intel or AMD was going to stop putting processors on the market, but the issue is that Intel is currently on a yearly cycle of incremental refreshes of their 14 nm chips.  This is probably going to be the same path that AMD follows with basically the new Zen based CPUs each year being incremental refreshes with slightly higher IPC and clocks each year.

AMD's plan doesn't go anywhere as of right now

 

Intel's plan is to clean the x86 arch of all the legacy crap that has been piling up since 1980s

MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSEE3 - this shit is useless nowadays

[WMGroomAK]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

Intel's plan is to clean the x86 arch of all the legacy crap that has been piling up since 1980s

Source for how/when Intel is abandoning x86? As far as I know Intel is mainly working on Coffee Lake as further optimization of Kaby Lake until they get their next smaller Process cycle ready with Cannonlake.

[jappypack]

20 minutes ago, zMeul said:

no it wasn't

where are the independent benchmarks? I'll tell you: AMD has issued NDA that won't lift until the products will be on shelves - they bank on the hype train, and it's working

Linustechtips?

The one NDA that I suspect AMD of having is when the 1800X broke the world record when overclocked to 5ghz.

At the same time though, my other theory sort of contradicts it as AMD might have told the person who leaked it, to leak it in the first place in order to cause unofficial hype.

[APasz]

2 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

Source for how/when Intel is abandoning x86? As far as I know Intel is mainly working on Coffee Lake as further optimization of Kaby Lake until they get their next smaller Process cycle ready with Cannonlake.

They're aren't abounding x86, simply cleaning it out of all the old crap that's has built up over the decades. Basically they're doing garbage collection.

This is something that everyone in ICT has to do, no matter where you are.

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

Source for how/when Intel is abandoning x86? As far as I know Intel is mainly working on Coffee Lake as further optimization of Kaby Lake until they get their next smaller Process cycle ready with Cannonlake.

where the hell did I said Intel is abandoning x86 ?!?!

[WMGroomAK]

9 minutes ago, zMeul said:

where the hell did I said Intel is abandoning x86 ?!?!

You are right, you didn't say Intel is abandoning x86, however, your whole take on this issue does not make for a productive discussion. 

 

Doing some digging, the best I can find is:

http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/7854-rumor-even-intel-is-studying-a-new-x86-ua 

&

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2016/12/28/intel-working-on-massive-x86-processor-revamp-should-amd-be-worried/#201631537c46

 

I would point out that the articles claim that Intel will probably not be implementing this until sometime in 2019 or later (at least 2 years down the road).  It would be a fairly safe assumption that if Intel does away with some x86 instruction sets, it will not take too long for AMD to follow suit and drop those same sets (probably 1 to 2 years), which would line-up with their 4 year life cycle.

[zMeul]

6 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

You are right, you didn't say Intel is abandoning x86, however, your whole take on this issue does not make for a productive discussion. 

 

Doing some digging, the best I can find is:

http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/7854-rumor-even-intel-is-studying-a-new-x86-ua 

&

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2016/12/28/intel-working-on-massive-x86-processor-revamp-should-amd-be-worried/#201631537c46

 

I would point out that the articles claim that Intel will probably not be implementing this until sometime in 2019 or later (at least 2 years down the road).  It would be a fairly safe assumption that if Intel does away with some x86 instruction sets, it will not take too long for AMD to follow suit and drop those same sets (probably 1 to 2 years), which would line-up with their 4 year life cycle.

if intel is serious about dropping those extra sets, Intel's work has already started

CPUs don't get developed over night, 2y is not enough for major architectural changes - case in point, AMD's work on Zen has started back in 2012 soon after they re-hired Jim Keller

 

if Intel does this, and I strongly believe they will, it will hit AMD in ways they can't even begin to immagine