Best CPU+MOBO combo

[hardtofindinthefuture]

Hi, me and my friend are making a PC build company

and we need a cheap CPU+MOBO combo

something like this  http://a.co/1ALCbs3

 

any ideas?

[Techstorm970]

Intel or AMD?

[hardtofindinthefuture]

Just now, techstorm970 said:

Intel or AMD?

preferably intel

 

[komar]

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=Motherboard+%26+CPU+Combo ?

[m0k]

you want to build pc for others but need advice on pc components?
also that combo thing you posted is the most underpowered thing ive ever seen

 

what do you need this cpu+mobo for? max budget?

[hardtofindinthefuture]

2 minutes ago, mok said:

what do you need this cpu+mobo for? max budget?

1. Low budget

2. good for Basic tasks and light gaming

[Sir Asvald]

1 minute ago, v0nn_toaster said:

1. Low budget

2. good for Basic tasks and light gaming

What is the budget?  

[hardtofindinthefuture]

1 minute ago, Abdul201588 said:

What is the budget?  

under $150

am i going to low ;-;

[79wjd]

Just a bit of advice, DO NOT start a company where you build computers for people until you're able to answer these generic types of questions on your own. You will only cause yourself headaches and create a bad name for yourself and your company before you even get anywhere. 

[TheRandomness]

-Thread moved to New Builds and Planning. @v0nn_toaster, please keep in mind where you post your threads.

[m0k]

12 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

under $150

am i going to low ;-;

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CgPm2R

[hardtofindinthefuture]

11 minutes ago, mok said:

you want to build pc for others but need advice on pc components?

 

7 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

ust a bit of advice, DO NOT start a company where you build computers for people until you're able to answer these generic types of questions on your own

 

Its not like im stupid

Im just wondering what you guys think.

 

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

 

 

Its not like im stupid

Im just wondering what you guys think.

 

You're asking the wrong questions though. 

 

First of all, you're prefacing most of your threads with the fact that you and your friend are starting a company. Secondly, you're better off trying to get an understanding as to what tasks require what kind of performance and what kind of hardware provides that level of performance. 

 

For example, lets say I want a top end gaming computer, then I'd use a 7700k + 1080 + 16gb of ram + Z270 board. If I wanted a high end editing rig that didn't leverage the GPU all that much, then I'd want a 6950x/6900k/6800k and a moderate GPU with 16gb of RAM and an X99 board. Now, if I wanted a simple office machine, then I'd go with a Kabylake Pentium, an H110 board, and 8GB of RAM and no GPU. If I wanted very light gaming then I'd take the above office build and throw in a GTX 1050. If I wanted something a bit more powerful while still on a budget, then I'd throw in an RX470. If I was on a slightly less tight budget, then I'd upgrade to an i5-6400/7400. If I wanted even more performance, then I'd go with an 8GB RX 480.....and so it goes. 

 

My point is you shouldn't even be considering any builds for your company or customers until you have a strong understanding of the hardware and the needs that they satisfy. 

[Qwweb]

2 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Im just wondering what you guys think.

I think that before you do anything you need to talk to a lawyer about the legality of resale of PC parts. Talking to a lawyer about the legal boundaries of a business should always be the first step you take, also figuring out what type of business you want to be; ie. Limited Liability Company (LLC), Limited Liability Partnership (LLP), Incorporation, etc. The type of company you start affects how you will be taxed and where and how you can operate. You also need separate permits for business from federal, state, and local levels (or be providing a professional service [computer building does not qualify]) depending on where and how you want to be conducting business.

 

As a word of advise, resale and copyright law is pretty complicated if you are selling a product from another company. Because of this, contacting a lawyer should be the first thing on your to-do list. Things can go bad extremely quickly because if you sell something that you advertised as (for example) "company X", and "company X" is not being paid royalties, they can sue for wrongful use of image as well as copyright infringement.

[hardtofindinthefuture]

10 minutes ago, Qwweb said:

I think that before you do anything you need to talk to a lawyer about the legality of resale of PC parts. Talking to a lawyer about the legal boundaries of a business should always be the first step you take, also figuring out what type of business you want to be; ie. Limited Liability Company (LLC), Limited Liability Partnership (LLP), Incorporation, etc. The type of company you start affects how you will be taxed and where and how you can operate. You also need separate permits for business from federal, state, and local levels (or be providing a professional service [computer building does not qualify]) depending on where and how you want to be conducting business.

 

As a word of advise, resale and copyright law is pretty complicated if you are selling a product from another company. Because of this, contacting a lawyer should be the first thing on your to-do list. Things can go bad extremely quickly because if you sell something that you advertised as (for example) "company X", and "company X" is not being paid royalties, they can sue for wrongful use of image as well as copyright infringement.

i can debunk that with one word

 

Resale

 

people sell "dell" "apple" computers ALL THE TIME

and dell is not getting royalties

 

Neither is the PC parts being sold on EBAY

 

 

[hardtofindinthefuture]

Would the 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Rack-J3710-ITX-Motherboard/dp/B01E97ZTPA/ref=pd_sbs_147_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KS4JWA9N4NDG1XHAQHMW

Work?

well...

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, v0nn_toaster said:

i can debunk that with one word

 

Resale

 

people sell "dell" "apple" computers ALL THE TIME

and dell is not getting royalties

 

Neither is the PC parts being sold on EBAY

 

 

There are a lot more legal issues when you're a company compared to some jackass selling hardware. 

 

It's also important to form the right kind of company in order to protect your own personal finances from liabilities as well as maximizing profits. There is a LOT you need to look into first before you even consider doing anything for other people. 

52 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Would the 

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Rack-J3710-ITX-Motherboard/dp/B01E97ZTPA/ref=pd_sbs_147_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KS4JWA9N4NDG1XHAQHMW

Work?

well...

The only form of PCIE connectivity it has is a single 2.0x1 slot and a mini PCIE slot. So if the intention is to build a "budget" gaming computer, then no. Not even close. There's no reason to be looking at cpu/mobo combos like this unless the intention is extremely compact and extremely low power consumption. It's also much slower than a Pentium G4560 + H110 board while costing roughly the same amount. 

 

For an extreme budget gaming build (<$350): AMD APU 

Less extreme, but still budget gaming build ($350~): G4560 + GTX 1050

.....

and so on.....

[hardtofindinthefuture]

4 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

There are a lot more legal issues when you're a company compared to some jackass selling hardware. 

 

It's also important to form the right kind of company in order to protect your own personal finances from liabilities as well as maximizing profits. There is a LOT you need to look into first before you even consider doing anything for other people. 

The only form of PCIE connectivity it has is a single 2.0x1 slot and a mini PCIE slot. So if the intention is to build a "budget" gaming computer, then no. Not even close. There's no reason to be looking at cpu/mobo combos like this unless the intention is extremely compact and extremely low power consumption. 

 

For an extreme budget gaming build (<$350): AMD APU 

Less extreme, but still budget gaming build ($350~): G4560 + GTX 1050

.....

and so on.....

what if the intention is to build a small form factor home PC
like for Web viewing

HTPC or a cheap PC for schools if all of the documents are on google drive

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

what if the intention is to build a small form factor home PC
like for Web viewing

NAS or a cheap PC for schools if all of the documents are on google drive

You're still far better off with a normal Pentium like the G4560. All the embedded options will feel sluggish and only piss off the client. There are plenty of LGA1151 mITX boards available. 

 

For a NAS, you should really be considering ECC compatible hardware as well as redundant storage. Have a customer lose his data that was "securely" backed up to a system you built and he's going to be even more pissed than a normal customer. 

 

Most schools have contracts with large companies and just buy/rent computers. You're highly unlikely to get a deal with a school. 

[Qwweb]

15 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

i can debunk that with one word

Resale

people sell "dell" "apple" computers ALL THE TIME

and dell is not getting royalties

Neither is the PC parts being sold on EBAY

The reason for this in business law is that when you are the End User you then own the rights for that specific product. In simpler terms this means that if I were to buy a 6700K (for example) and resell it on eBay, this would be legal if I did it as a private citizen. This all changes when you are a company, as corporate law (which does not effect private citizens) comes into effect. In this case selling one of those ASRock computers without permission would be in effect be "(insert your company's name here)" selling an ASRock brand motherboard which is using ASRock's image for profit without their consent which is a violation of both patent and trademark laws. 

The small text at the bottom of ASRock's (and other companies') webpages outlines this clear as day...

Quote

© ASRock Inc. All rights reserved.

 As soon as you advertise or bill something as ASRock brand as a company, you are using ASRock's image. This is also the reason behind companies putting "Where to Buy" pages on their websites, as they show authorized resale vendors.

Some short reads about how these laws can work (each company is different in how its EULA works which is why you should seek legal counsel before doing anything)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses/

https://www.entrepreneur.com/answer/226401

Also on a note of the severity of the consequences, in the US the penalty for trademark fraud/infringement is;

Quote

A fine of not more than $500,000 or imprisonment for not more than five years, or both, for the first offense.

A fine of not more than $1 million and imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, for repeated offenses.

 

[brob]

49 minutes ago, Qwweb said:

The reason for this in business law is that when you are the End User you then own the rights for that specific product. In simpler terms this means that if I were to buy a 6700K (for example) and resell it on eBay, this would be legal if I did it as a private citizen. This all changes when you are a company, as corporate law (which does not effect private citizens) comes into effect. In this case selling one of those ASRock computers without permission would be in effect be "(insert your company's name here)" selling an ASRock brand motherboard which is using ASRock's image for profit without their consent which is a violation of both patent and trademark laws. 

The small text at the bottom of ASRock's (and other companies') webpages outlines this clear as day...

 As soon as you advertise or bill something as ASRock brand as a company, you are using ASRock's image. This is also the reason behind companies putting "Where to Buy" pages on their websites, as they show authorized resale vendors.

Some short reads about how these laws can work (each company is different in how its EULA works which is why you should seek legal counsel before doing anything)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses/

https://www.entrepreneur.com/answer/226401

Also on a note of the severity of the consequences, in the US the penalty for trademark fraud/infringement is;

 

Reselling products is not illegal, regardless of the entity doing the reselling. Nearly a half century ago, IBM tried suing to prevent third parties reselling their computer equipment and parts. They lost.

 

One does not require authorization from a manufacturer to resell their products. However, companies that do authorize resellers sometimes do not honor warranties when their products are sold through unauthorized channels.

 

One must respect trademarks and copyrights. But that does not prevent one from selling/reselling products using company and brand names. Trademarks are very specific. Simply using the name Asrock, or even ASRock does not violate trademark. The actual trademark is shown in the upper left corner of the ASRock web site.

 

Copyrights are a different matter. However, in the case of Windows, using OEM licenses as prescribed in the agreement is simple enough and quite sufficient for inclusion in a system being sold.

[Qwweb]

3 hours ago, brob said:

One must respect trademarks and copyrights. But that does not prevent one from selling/reselling products using company and brand names. Trademarks are very specific. Simply using the name Asrock, or even ASRock does not violate trademark. The actual trademark is shown in the upper left corner of the ASRock web site.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/506

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17 U.S.C. § 506-

(a) Criminal Infringement.—

    (1) In general.—Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed—

         (A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;

         (B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180–day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or

         (C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.

...

(d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice.—

Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500.

My point is get a lawyer who specializes in copyright, patent, and trademark law before you do anything. Better to have a lawyer and not need them than not have a lawyer and need one on short notice.