M.2 SSD with PCIe interface

[sadmanh]

Can a PCIe M.2 SSD with PCIe interface run on a laptop having a SATA3 interface M.2 port? I just bought an Intel 600p SSD and it fits fine and all in the port but not getting detected anywhere like in BIOS or windows disc management. Is the interface thing the problem? Or that I haven't found the screw so the SSD is just held on with tape for now?

if it helps these are the links to laptop specifications and the SSD:
https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GL552JX/specifications/

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-600p-series.html

 

Thanks!

[stealth80]

I don't think it will, you've already identified the problem. The card works on a completely different interface

[MorganO]

2 minutes ago, sadmanh said:

Can a PCIe M.2 SSD with PCIe interface run on a laptop having a SATA3 interface M.2 port? I just bought an Intel 600p SSD and it fits fine and all in the port but not getting detected anywhere like in BIOS or windows disc management. Is the interface thing the problem? Or that I haven't found the screw so the SSD is just held on with tape for now?

if it helps these are the links to laptop specifications and the SSD:
https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ROG-GL552JX/specifications/

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-600p-series.html

 

Thanks!

most likley not, they are also NVME drives so most likely not compatible 

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

I don't think it will, you've already identified the problem. The card works on a completely different interface

the ports are exactly the same though, and it fit, shouldn't it not even do that if the interfaces are completely incompatible?

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

most likley not, they are also NVME drives so most likely not compatible 

but then why would it even fit into the port if it's totally incompatible?

[Sakkura]

3 minutes ago, sadmanh said:

Can a PCIe M.2 SSD with PCIe interface run on a laptop having a SATA3 interface M.2 port?

Depends whether the M.2 port is SATA only, or SATA+PCIe capable. But when they only mention SATA in the specs, it probably means SATA only.

 

You can physically check which keying the slot has. If there's not a notch in the right side of the slot, you're probably out of luck.

[ChalkChalkson]

Have you checked whether the motherboard even supports NVMe? As far as I know NVMe is not backwards compatible 

[MorganO]

Just now, sadmanh said:

but then why would it even fit into the port if it's totally incompatible?

becuase m.2 is the connector used, PCI-E IS the interface

alos NVME is most likley not supported either

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

Depends whether the M.2 port is SATA only, or SATA+PCIe capable. But when they only mention SATA in the specs, it probably means SATA only.

 

You can physically check which keying the slot has. If there's not a notch in the right side of the slot, you're probably out of luck.

but there is, the slot matches perfectly.

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, sadmanh said:

but then why would it even fit into the port if it's totally incompatible?

 

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

becuase m.2 is the connector used, PCI-E IS the interface

alos NVME is most likley not supported either

this ^

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, ChalkChalkson said:

Have you checked whether the motherboard even supports NVMe? As far as I know NVMe is not backwards compatible 

it's a laptop, and no did not know that, the ports are the same though so I figured I'm good.

[sadmanh]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

 

this ^

ohhhh....

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, sadmanh said:

ohhhh....

http://electronicdesign.com/memory/what-s-difference-between-mpcie-and-msata

[Sakkura]

6 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

becuase m.2 is the connector used, PCI-E IS the interface

alos NVME is most likley not supported either

M.2 doesn't mean PCIe is necessarily the interface.

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

http://electronicdesign.com/memory/what-s-difference-between-mpcie-and-msata

That's older unrelated stuff, mPCIe and mSATA are rarely used today.

[MorganO]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

M.2 doesn't mean PCIe is necessarily the interface.

That's older unrelated stuff, mPCIe and mSATA are rarely used today.

the m.2 sata ssds

then there m.2 pcie ssds which are NVME and thus not compaitible with his laptop, the just share the connector

[Mira Yurizaki]

Check the connector. If you do not have an M Keyed slot, you're SOL on having NVMe based SSDs.

 

Of course it would be nice to know where pin 1 is, but I can't tell for certain. I'm going to guess if you're holding the motherboard upright, pin 1 is the top one.

 

EDIT: For reference (the SSD goes from left to right):

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Check the connector. If you do not have an M Keyed slot, you're SOL on having NVMe based SSDs.

 

Of course it would be nice to know where pin 1 is, but I can't tell for certain. I'm going to guess if you're holding the motherboard upright, pin 1 is the top one.

what's 'SOL'?
and I'm having the M keyed connector

[sadmanh]

7 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

M.2 doesn't mean PCIe is necessarily the interface.

That's older unrelated stuff, mPCIe and mSATA are rarely used today.

in the Intel website for my SSD is says PCIe*, couldn't find anywhere explaining what the asterisk is for

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, sadmanh said:

what's 'SOL'?
and I'm having the M keyed connector

Slang for "you're screwed".

 

Are you sure you have an M keyed connected and not a B keyed connector? There's no obvious markings for where pin 1 is and M and B look very similar. I guess you could count the pins.

[sadmanh]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Slang for "you're screwed".

 

Are you sure you have an M keyed connected and not a B keyed connector? There's no obvious markings for where pin 1 is and M and B look very similar. I guess you could count the pins.

there's a notch on the connector so if it is anything but an M keyed slot the SSD wouldn't fit, but I'll check just to be sure

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, sadmanh said:

there's a notch on the connector so if it is anything but an M keyed slot the SSD wouldn't fit, but I'll check just to be sure

There's a notch on B keyed connectors too.

[sadmanh]

10 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

There's a notch on B keyed connectors too.

it's definitely M keyed

[Mira Yurizaki]

6 minutes ago, sadmanh said:

it's definitely M keyed

It's M keyed and yet I found this on their website

Quote

*1. M.2 (2280) SSD slot is SATA3 interface.

Are you effing kidding me ASUS? There's a reason why the keying exists.

 

EDIT:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2#Form_factors_and_keying

 

Just so I'm not going insane, the M key are for PCIe x4, i.e., NVMe.

 

Although it does include SATA, but so does B key. It makes me think you need both to say your connector is SATA only.

[sadmanh]

4 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

It's M keyed and yet I found this on their website

Are you effing kidding me ASUS? There's a reason why the keying exists.

 

EDIT:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2#Form_factors_and_keying

 

Just so I'm not going insane, the M key are for PCIe x4, i.e., NVMe.

 

Although it does include SATA, but so does B key. It makes me think you need both to say your connector is SATA only.

that's possible, but in the Intel website and box they also mention it like "PCIe*" so I'm wondering if they asterisk maybe there to indicate SATA compatibility since the key ID supports it; can't find any place explaining the asterisk though.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, sadmanh said:

that's possible, but in the Intel website and box they also mention it like "PCIe*" so I'm wondering if they asterisk maybe there to indicate SATA compatibility since the key ID supports it; can't find any place explaining the asterisk though.

No, either it's NVME or it's SATA.