Final Build Check

[Paradine Sage]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BxkMM8

 

Planning on ordering the parts later today unless anyone points out a convincing reason to change my plans.

 

I had initially been favoring an m.2 drive but decided to switch to a 2.5" because it let me double the SSD storage and save money and the relatively minor performance gains of an m.2 probably aren't worth it for me on this build. Might add one later though.

 

Went with 2x16 for RAM instead of 4x8 mostly because, again, I am not likely to really benefit from the increased memory bandwidth that quad channel makes possible and this let me save some $$$. Especially since I might decide to upgrade my RAM significantly in the next year or so and thus don't really want to over-commit to a placeholder for only marginal gains.

 

This is the actual GPU

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LHYIFE0/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1

PCPartPicker has their link going to the wrong place and has it aimed at the waterblock variant, not the AIO option.

 

Decided to downgrade to the 1000w PSU mostly because it should cover my needs even with a potential second graphics card with a nice buffer.

 

Thought about going with one of the workstation boards but the biggest draw there would be the 10 gig Ethernet, and my home network isn't currently set up for that so it seems kinda pointless for now. Besides, the Rampage comes with (apparently) a very good audio system.

 

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For the AIO I have the H100i v2 listed there but I am debating using the Origin PC Frostbyte 240 instead, so if anyone has any experience with it please let me know.

 

Thanks in advance.

[adithyay328]

Huh, 1000 WATTS! WTF ARE YOU RUNNING! That 1080, IMO, wouldn't warrant more than a 600W. Even with a second, I wouldn't push the 750 mark. Well, whatevs, it's up to you! 

[adithyay328]

DUDE, THAT IS ONE NICE ASS MONITOR! You mind, um, sending me the rig(LOL). Either way, sexy rig, just sayan. Hf!

[Paradine Sage]

1 minute ago, adithyay328 said:

Huh, 1000 WATTS! WTF ARE YOU RUNNING! That 1080, IMO, wouldn't warrant more than a 600W. Even with a second, I wouldn't push the 750 mark. Well, whatevs, it's up to you! 

System should run about 520 watts, another 1080 and a few other potential upgrades would potentially push it to about 750. Given that I prefer running my PSU's at about 60% load for maximum silence, this works fine.

 

 

[jeremymwilson]

4 minutes ago, adithyay328 said:

Huh, 1000 WATTS! WTF ARE YOU RUNNING! That 1080, IMO, wouldn't warrant more than a 600W. Even with a second, I wouldn't push the 750 mark. Well, whatevs, it's up to you! 

Agree with this, 1000w is much more than you need. Check out the 750w, you'll save more money and you'll still have headroom. 

 

Apart from that, awesome build!

[adithyay328]

Just now, Paradine Sage said:

System should run about 520 watts, another 1080 and a few other potential upgrades would potentially push it to about 750. Given that I prefer running my PSU's at about 60% load for maximum silence, this works fine.

 

 

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Well, all the power to you! But, I would check out some other silent grade PSUs... checked out Be Quiet! and Corsair RMi yet? Either way, good luck with the build!

[adithyay328]

Just now, adithyay328 said:

Well, all the power to you! But, I would check out some other silent grade PSUs... checked out Be Quiet! and Corsair RMi yet? Either way, good luck with the build!

LOL DID YOU SEE THE PUN? ALL THE "POWER" TO YOU? HHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Paradine Sage]

3 minutes ago, adithyay328 said:

DUDE, THAT IS ONE NICE ASS MONITOR! You mind, um, sending me the rig(LOL). Either way, sexy rig, just sayan. Hf!

I'm thinking of adding a few more. Was kinda debating doing a set up with 6 of them but then I would have to go to duel Titan's and would thus need to custom loop the whole thing. All in all, I can't quite justify an extra 10K just because I want to.

[Castdeath97]

5 minutes ago, Paradine Sage said:

System should run about 520 watts, another 1080 and a few other potential upgrades would potentially push it to about 750. Given that I prefer running my PSU's at about 60% load for maximum silence, this works fine.

 

 

Not it won't! It will barely take even more than 350W!

 

 

 

About the rest of the build, please get a cheaper motherboard. 500+ boards are a complete waste, they barely (if at all!) effect performance anyhow:

 

 

You could save a load by getting something like the hero and get a another 1080 or something. 

 

Also, what are you going to use it for?

[Aereldor]

Good god, please don't pay almost $700 for a GTX 1080. Wait for the 1080 Ti.

 

Also, I don't know why people are even considering investing in an Intel X99 CPU after AMD's Ryzen CPU beat a Core i7 6900k at their event and is scheduled to launch early next year, along with their entire Zen lineup.

[Paradine Sage]

1 minute ago, Castdeath97 said:

Not it won't! It will barely take even more than 300W!

 

 

 

about the rest of the build, please get a cheaper motherboard. 500+ board are complete waste, they barely (if at all!) affect performance anyhow:

 

 

You could save a load by getting something like the hero and get a another 1080 or something. 

 

Also, what are you going to use it for?

 

1) I know that the PSU is more than is technically required. It's also an additional 80 or so bucks, which is pretty frankly irrelevant to me.

 

2) The Rampage was the cheapest of the motherboards that I was debating between. And again, price is largely a secondary concern to me - especially when you are talking about a hundred or two hundred dollars difference.

 

3) I'm already probably going to dump a second 1080 in this thing in the near future, but this should hold me over until I see the numbers on the 1080 TI and decide whether to upgrade to Titan's, upgrade to duel TI's, or just settle for the second 1080.

 

4) Work and play.

[Paradine Sage]

Just now, Aereldor said:

Good god, please don't pay almost $700 for a GTX 1080. Wait for the 1080 Ti.

 

Also, I don't know why people are even considering investing in an Intel X99 CPU after AMD's Ryzen CPU beat a Core i7 6900k at their event and is scheduled to launch early next year, along with their entire Zen lineup.

Is the 1080TI something that I can purchase before December 31st 2016? No, ergo it does not come with tax incentives and thus isn't currently in consideration.

Is Ryzen something that I can purchase before the new year? No, ergo it does not come with tax incentives and thus isn't currently in consideration.

 

If Ryzen was out right now I would give it a look but I won't touch it until it's been out for at least three months. And that means waiting five or six months, hence absolutely not worth it.

[Aereldor]

1 hour ago, Paradine Sage said:

Is the 1080TI something that I can purchase before December 31st 2016? No, ergo it does not come with tax incentives and thus isn't currently in consideration.

Is Ryzen something that I can purchase before the new year? No, ergo it does not come with tax incentives and thus isn't currently in consideration.

 

If Ryzen was out right now I would give it a look but I won't touch it until it's been out for at least three months. And that means waiting five or six months, hence absolutely not worth it.

Try not to be rude and condescending. I didn't know you cared that much about tax incentives. You haven't even mentioned it before, so it's not fair to beat me over the head with it as if it was evident.

 

Well, seems like money isn't a problem, judging by this-

1 hour ago, Paradine Sage said:

It's also an additional 80 or so bucks, which is pretty frankly irrelevant to me.

 

price is largely a secondary concern to me - especially when you are talking about a hundred or two hundred dollars difference.

 

But that does contradict what you say here-

1 hour ago, Paradine Sage said:

decided to switch to a 2.5" because it let me double the SSD storage and save money

 

I am not likely to really benefit from the increased memory bandwidth that quad channel makes possible and this let me save some $$$.

 

Does money matter to you or not? The 1080 Ti is coming soon and it's going to be a lot faster at only a little more expense. There's a good chance that Zen is going to be both faster and cheaper. A 6800k (a 6850k is stupid) goes for about $400 right now. AMD's Ryzen chips beats the $1100 Core i7 6900k, and may sell for as little as half the price.

 

The performance trend with the x80 Ti cards is that they're almost as fast as the same-generation Titan GPUs, as they're just cut-down versions of them. The 780 Ti was almost as fast as the original GTX Titan, as it was a cut-down Titan. The 980 Ti was almost as fast as the Maxwell Titan X, as it was a cut-down variant of the same GPU. The 1080 Ti will be a cut-down variant of the Titan XP, and will be just as fast.

 

Furthermore, the x80 Ti cards have always been about 2/3rds the price of their Titan equivalents. The GTX Titan was $1000 at release, and the 780 Ti went for about $699, dropping in price to $649 and below soon. The GTX Titan X (Maxwell) was $1000 at release, and the GTX 980 Ti was $649 while offering comparable performance once again. The Titan X Pascal is priced at $1200, which is a lot more than usual. It's plausible that the GTX 1080 Ti will cost between $700 and $800.

 

I guess you have to make up your mind about whether or not money matters to you. You've flip-flopped about that, and it would help to have a concrete stance. A GTX 1080 Ti is going to be a lot faster than a 1080, but for more money. A Zen CPU is probably going to be faster, but for a lot less money. Overall, this does make for much better value.

[Paradine Sage]

1 minute ago, Aereldor said:

Try not to be rude and condescending. I didn't know you cared that much about tax incentives. You haven't even mentioned it before, so it's not fair to beat me over the head with it as if it was evident.

 

Well, seems like money isn't a problem, judging by this-

 

But that does contradict what you say here-

 

Does money matter to you or not? The 1080 Ti is coming soon and it's going to be a lot faster at only a little more expense. There's a good chance that Zen is going to be both faster and cheaper. A 6800k (a 6850k is stupid) goes for about $400 right now. AMD's Ryzen chips beats the $1100 Core i7 6900k, and may sell for as little as half the price.

 

The performance trend with the x80 Ti cards is that they're almost as fast as the same-generation Titan GPUs, as they're just cut-down versions of them. The 780 Ti was almost as fast as the original GTX Titan, as it was a cut-down Titan. The 980 Ti was almost as fast as the Maxwell Titan X, as it was a cut-down variant of the same GPU. The 1080 Ti will be a cut-down variant of the Titan XP, and will be just as fast.

 

Furthermore, the x80 Ti cards have always been about 2/3rds the price of their Titan equivalents. The GTX Titan was $1000 at release, and the 780 Ti went for about $699, dropping in price to $649 and below soon. The GTX Titan X (Maxwell) was $1000 at release, and the GTX 980 Ti was $649 while offering comparable performance once again. The Titan X Pascal is priced at $1200, which is a lot more than usual. It's plausible that the GTX 1080 Ti will cost between $700 and $800.

 

I guess you have to make up your mind about whether or not money matters to you. You've flip-flopped about that, and it would help to have a concrete stance. A GTX 1080 Ti is going to be a lot faster than a 1080, but for more money. A Zen CPU is probably going to be faster, but for a lot less money. Overall, this does make for much better value.

1) I said in the OP that I was going to be ordering parts tomorrow, mentioning stuff that isn't even going to hit shelves for two months is kinda missing the point.

 

2) I went with the 6850k instead of the 6800k because it offers more PCiE lanes (and I probably will end up using all of the 6850k's in time), and OC's slightly better (same clocks at slightly lower voltages). Given that I wanted at least 6 cores but don't have a real reason to drop an additional five hundred bucks for the 8 core at the moment, it was a choice between those two and the marginally increased price was worth it for me.

 

3) I both do and don't care about money. The benefits of an m.2 drive are slightly faster speeds and the form factor. I'm going for an eATX case so the form factor is mostly meaningless and I'm not doing a sufficient volume of work to justify the minute or so saved (if that) on any given project by using an m.2. I will benefit more from the doubled capacity.

 

More broadly, I care about value for money but I measure that by "this is the performance that I want, what is the best buy at that performance point". I don't go, "I have X budget, what is the best performance that I can get in that budget" or the like. For example, I want to be able to run my system under load with zero PSU fan. That level of performance means that I need a thousand watt or better PSU.

 

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When the 1080Ti's drop I will look at them and, assuming Titan X(p) performance for around 800 bucks, I will probably buy one or two of them. This is a desktop, it's not like upgrading is difficult.

 

As for Ryzen, as I said, I don't want to wait five or six months (for a number of reasons) and that means X99.

[Aereldor]

33 minutes ago, Paradine Sage said:

1) I said in the OP that I was going to be ordering parts tomorrow, mentioning stuff that isn't even going to hit shelves for two months is kinda missing the point.

 

2) I went with the 6850k instead of the 6800k because it offers more PCiE lanes (and I probably will end up using all of the 6850k's in time), and OC's slightly better (same clocks at slightly lower voltages).

 

The difference between x8 and x16 per GPU is within the margin of error. It doesn't make a difference beyond costing you $150 more, and just how much better does it overclock?

 

33 minutes ago, Paradine Sage said:

I want to be able to run my system under load with zero PSU fan. That level of performance means that I need a thousand watt or better PSU.

Is this for silence or bragging rights? There are quiet - even fanless - PSUs out there. I'm referring in particular to the Cooler Master Silent Pro and Hybrid series, the PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK series, and the OCZ ZX series on the budget end. Also, even the Supernova G2 with the fans running is going to be quieter than your HDD and the pump noise of the H100i cooler, where you also have to contend with smaller 120mm fans. 

If it is about acoustic performance, the Noctua NH-D15 is going to be a far quieter and better cooler. It comes with two 140mm fans (with an option to install a third) that are the quietest on the market, and one of the beefiest heatsinks I've seen. If you're insistent on watercooling- despite the NH-D15 cooling a lot better than most - if not all AIOs  - then I'd recommend getting something with a larger 280mm radiator to allow for 140mm fans.

 

Even your Seagate Barracuda HDD - with rubber grommets if you have them - might drown out everything else. It's louder than the WD Caviar Blue series, and one of those is the loudest part of my build despite being suspended in a shockmount-like solutiot; and I'm not even trying to make this build quiet.

 

WD Red and Green HDDs are supposed to be the quietest, but those aren't exactly known for stellar performance either. On the other hand,l if acoustic performance matters that much to you, this will eliminate any moving parts when it comes to storage; but at a significant premium.

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/HWrcCJ/crucial-mx300-20tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2050mx300ssd1

 

Do what you must, but if it's acoustic performance you're after, you can indeed do better.