Which PC

[Woofly94]

Which PC would you get £2000 budget & why you would get it over the others

 

http://www.ebuyer.com/762153-pc-specialist-vanquish-gamer-extreme-vr-gaming-pc-pcs-d1136448

 

http://www.ebuyer.com/749688-stormforce-inferno-vr-gaming-pc-7260-5270

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/StormForce-Inferno-Gaming-Desktop-Dedicated/dp/B01LYHW43N/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480570712&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=storm+force+infernpo

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/StormForce-Typhoon-Gaming-Desktop-White/dp/B01LX6W6W5/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1480570761&sr=8-4&keywords=stormforce+inferno

 

if you have any other PC's for around £1200-£2000 that you think is a better deal, feel free to post

[Guest]

Build yourself yo

[Woofly94]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Build yourself yo

Building myself is not an option and I'd only be saving £100 anyway and I dont see it's worth the hassle

[stealth80]

I wouldn't buy any pre-built PC again, someone is making a lot of money somewhere and they usually come with weak components somewhere in the system (HDD,SSD, PSU etc) 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Woofly94 said:

Building myself is not an option and I'd only be saving £100 anyway and I dont see it's worth the hassle

You get bad PSU, not so good cooler. That's not a reason to not do it yourself

[Guest]

I put a pair of 1080 if you don't mind

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£299.99 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£57.98 @ Novatech) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£98.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£67.99 @ Novatech) 
Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£71.15 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£41.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GameRock Video Card (2-Way SLI)  (£589.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GameRock Video Card (2-Way SLI)  (£589.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£62.70 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£107.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1988.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-01 05:46 GMT+0000

[Woofly94]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

You get bad PSU, not so good cooler. That's not a reason to not do it yourself

While I agree with those points and it has made me thought about doing it myself, however the first PC has listed all of the component brands and has a 650 Gold PSU, if I were to build that PC same components (brands etc) it would only cost £120 less

[Woofly94]

4 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I wouldn't buy any pre-built PC again, someone is making a lot of money somewhere and they usually come with weak components somewhere in the system (HDD,SSD, PSU etc) 

I dont think the first build actually has a weak component?, although Ebuyer are notorious for putting "unbranded" GPU's in their systems. Isn't it illegal to false advertise a MSI GPU in the picture but doesn't actually come with it?

[stealth80]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£379.99 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£109.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI X99A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (£280.98 @ YoYoTech) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£146.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£223.67 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GameRock Premium Video Card  (£611.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: Inwin 303 White ATX Mid Tower Case  (£94.99 @ Novatech) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£86.99 @ Novatech) 
Total: £1934.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-01 05:50 GMT+0000

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Woofly94 said:

While I agree with those points and it has made me thought about doing it myself, however the first PC has listed all of the component brands and has a 650 Gold PSU, if I were to build that PC same components (brands etc) it would only cost £120 less

I got one for 1900 pounds with 1080 SLI. Those build you linked cost 1600-1700 and a 1080 alone cost 600 pounds. Now what?

[Guest]

Just now, stealth80 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6800K 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  (£379.99 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£109.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI X99A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (£280.98 @ YoYoTech) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (£146.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£223.67 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GameRock Premium Video Card  (£611.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: Inwin 303 White ATX Mid Tower Case  (£94.99 @ Novatech) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£86.99 @ Novatech) 
Total: £1934.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-01 05:50 GMT+0000

Maybe get 1080 in SLI like I did? 

[Woofly94]

3 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Maybe get 1080 in SLI like I did? 

That would take it to £2500, well over my budget of £2000 absolute maximum, can you link me to the build you made for £1900 SLI 1080? Because no matter how much I've tried with cheaper SSDs etc, I can never get a SLI 1080 Build for less than £2400

[stealth80]

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Maybe get 1080 in SLI like I did? 

why? There's no reason to have SLI 1080's right now, id rather have the better X99 platform and add an additional 1080 later if required. Also the larger SSD will offer more performance than a HDD 

[Woofly94]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

why? There's no reason to have SLI 1080's right now, id rather have the better X99 platform and add an additional 1080 later if required. Also the larger SSD will offer more performance than a HDD 

Why is there no reason to have SLI 1080? what about SLI 1070 then? isn't that better value? also why the i7 6800k I only game so you're wasting £250 on CPU and Mobo which could be spent elsewhere?

[Woofly94]

http://prntscr.com/ddx2vu

 

thats the cheapest I can get a SLI GTX 1080 build while still having decent components, but is it worth sacrifcing better RAM/SSD/CASE/PSU just for that extra 1080? or would it be better to SLI 1070 instead while still keeping those quality spec RAM/SSD/CASE/PSU

[stealth80]

31 minutes ago, Woofly94 said:

Why is there no reason to have SLI 1080? what about SLI 1070 then? isn't that better value? also why the i7 6800k I only game so you're wasting £250 on CPU and Mobo which could be spent elsewhere?

1080 will play every game even at 4k, I have one and its the one I linked in the build, I was running GTA V today at 1440P max settings at 80 - 120 FPS, theres really no need for 2x 1080's at this time,  I would rather spend the extra money other components that will balance the whole system. As I said, you can always add another 1080 further down the line should you need to. What resolution are you gaming at?

 

6800K - Quad channel (minor) - DX12 games are already shown to take advantage of extra cores (check ashes cpu benchs) Without the extra 1080, theres isn't really anywhere else to spend the money, maybe an m.2 drive, but I think the bigger SSD is better in the long run.

[Woofly94]

 

17 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

1080 will play every game even at 4k, I have one and its the one I linked in the build, I was running GTA V today at 1440P max settings at 80 - 120 FPS, theres really no need for 2x 1080's at this time,  I would rather spend the extra money other components that will balance the whole system. As I said, you can always add another 1080 further down the line should you need to. What resolution are you gaming at?

 

6800K - Quad channel (minor) - DX12 games are already shown to take advantage of extra cores (check ashes cpu benchs) Without the extra 1080, theres isn't really anywhere else to spend the money, maybe an m.2 drive, but I think the bigger SSD is better in the long run.

I'm gaming on an 1080p BenQ XR3501 35 Inch Curved with 144hz, the main games I play are F1 2016 & GTA V, I currently have an i5 4460 and GTX 1070, but it was a budget PC (£700) when I bought it and just added the 1070, so I'd like a complete high-end system which is why Im spending £2000 or so on a new PC, My current PC struggles to maintain 60fps on max settings (adv off) and I'm really looking for 100+ FPS on 1080p absolute max settings (EVERYTHING maxed even frame scaling on GTA V), would you think SLI 1070 could achieve that?, I mean not even a single 1080 can max out GTA V (everything maxed) at 60fps, before people say "oh 1080 is overkill" no it's really not, I want ATLEAST 100fps in every game I play max settings, I'm not looking for the 60fps with some settings tuned down, so if I have to get SLI 1070 or SLI 1080 to do that, I'm prepared to 

[Woofly94]

1 minute ago, Woofly94 said:

 

I'm gaming on an 1080p BenQ XR3501 35 Inch Curved with 144hz, the main games I play are F1 2016 & GTA V, I currently have an i5 4460 and GTX 1070, but it was a budget PC (£700) when I bought it and just added the 1070, so I'd like a complete high-end system which is why Im spending £2000 or so on a new PC, My current PC struggles to maintain 60fps on max settings (adv off) and I'm really looking for 100+ FPS on 1080p absolute max settings (EVERYTHING maxed even frame scaling on GTA V), would you think SLI 1070 could achieve that?, I mean not even a single 1080 can max out GTA V (everything maxed) at 60fps, before people say "oh 1080 is overkill" no it's really not, I want ATLEAST 100fps in every game I play max settings, I'm not looking for the 60fps with some settings tuned down, so if I have to get SLI 1070 or SLI 1080 to do that, I'm prepared to

 

[stealth80]

15 minutes ago, Woofly94 said:

 

I'm gaming on an 1080p BenQ XR3501 35 Inch Curved with 144hz, the main games I play are F1 2016 & GTA V, I currently have an i5 4460 and GTX 1070, but it was a budget PC (£700) when I bought it and just added the 1070, so I'd like a complete high-end system which is why Im spending £2000 or so on a new PC, My current PC struggles to maintain 60fps on max settings (adv off) and I'm really looking for 100+ FPS on 1080p absolute max settings (EVERYTHING maxed even frame scaling on GTA V), would you think SLI 1070 could achieve that?, I mean not even a single 1080 can max out GTA V (everything maxed) at 60fps, before people say "oh 1080 is overkill" no it's really not, I want ATLEAST 100fps in every game I play max settings, I'm not looking for the 60fps with some settings tuned down, so if I have to get SLI 1070 or SLI 1080 to do that, I'm prepared to 

Just get the 1080, don't bother with 1070 sli, dont upgrade mid tier cards from the off, its an upgrade path.

[Woofly94]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

Just get the 1080, don't bother with 1070 sli, dont upgrade mid tier cards from the off, its an upgrade path.

I dont get this logic either, if 2 GTX 1070s are better than a single GTX 1080, then why wouldn't I go SLI? since it's only £100 or so more than the 1080?

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Woofly94 said:

I dont get this logic either, if 2 GTX 1070s are better than a single GTX 1080, then why wouldn't I go SLI? since it's only £100 or so more than the 1080?

because not all games do sli well

[DaBeggad]

go with https://www.amazon.co.uk/StormForce-Inferno-Gaming-Desktop-Dedicated/dp/B01LYHW43N/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480570712&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=storm force infernpo&tag=linustechtips-21

[stealth80]

43 minutes ago, Woofly94 said:

I dont get this logic either, if 2 GTX 1070s are better than a single GTX 1080, then why wouldn't I go SLI? since it's only £100 or so more than the 1080?

because you're destroying your upgrade path by using 2 lower (marginally) cards. It's always better to get one powerful card from the outset. Aka I had a 970 sli rig, I wouldn't ever say to someone to build a rig with 2x 970's from new. However, if one mid tier (this case 970) is the best you can afford at the time then great. A year later I added a second giving me 980ti performance. At the end of the day its your £££, you asked for advice, I've offered it and now you questioning my advice.  I would just rather get the better platform with a big ssd etc knowing that a 1080 + 6800K is gonna be a big improvement over your current build. If its isn't, add another 1080 or sell the one you have and get a ti (if it launches)

 

Also your demands are a little high, even 2x 1080's SLI cant quite hit 100+ @4k

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_SLI/13.html

 

However 1x 1080 can hit 60FPS @ 4k maxed

 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/palit-gtx-1080-gamerock-premium-edition-review/20/

 

Also food for thought, rumoured 1080ti and Vega are pretty damned close ....

 

 

[Woofly94]

 

1 hour ago, stealth80 said:

because you're destroying your upgrade path by using 2 lower (marginally) cards. It's always better to get one powerful card from the outset. Aka I had a 970 sli rig, I wouldn't ever say to someone to build a rig with 2x 970's from new. However, if one mid tier (this case 970) is the best you can afford at the time then great. A year later I added a second giving me 980ti performance. At the end of the day its your £££, you asked for advice, I've offered it and now you questioning my advice.  I would just rather get the better platform with a big ssd etc knowing that a 1080 + 6800K is gonna be a big improvement over your current build. If its isn't, add another 1080 or sell the one you have and get a ti (if it launches)

 

Also your demands are a little high, even 2x 1080's SLI cant quite hit 100+ @4k

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_SLI/13.html

 

However 1x 1080 can hit 60FPS @ 4k maxed

 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/palit-gtx-1080-gamerock-premium-edition-review/20/

 

Also food for thought, rumoured 1080ti and Vega are pretty damned close ....

 

 

But I'm not gaming at 4k? I'm gaming at 2560x1080, I dont plan on going 4K for another couple of years, so recommend 1 GTX 1080? So which build of the ones in the OP would you choose? you're right I did ask for advice, but Im not questioning it I just want to know in-depth why you think a 1080 over SLI 1070, P.S I very much doubt I would SLI 1080 in the future, so bear that in mind

[stealth80]

9 hours ago, Woofly94 said:

 

But I'm not gaming at 4k? I'm gaming at 2560x1080, I dont plan on going 4K for another couple of years, so recommend 1 GTX 1080? So which build of the ones in the OP would you choose? you're right I did ask for advice, but Im not questioning it I just want to know in-depth why you think a 1080 over SLI 1070, P.S I very much doubt I would SLI 1080 in the future, so bear that in mind

I've been recommending 1x 1080 all along  You said you wanted 100+ FPS all bells and whistles with frame scaling etc, hence why I used the 4k example. For the money you are spending you could get a much better more rounded PC. I had the opportunity to go X99 with 5820k when I built my rig and everyone said "no no, if you're gaming just get 4790k" well ffs, I regret it big time. M.2 is a prime example, I cant run my m.2 drive at full speed due to the pcie lanes. Also as I already said, future games are going to benefit from more cores, for the money you are laying out I would want the basis of that PC to last a long time (CPU, Chipset features etc). The PC I recommended had a better PSU, Better CPU, better motherboard, better storage (speed wise not size), much better cooler and more ram. Building yourself is a good experience, especially picking your own parts, you can pick a colour scheme etc. Also, if something fails, its generally easier in my experience to sort it as you can just send the failed component (rather than the whole tower) for RMA

 

Yes 2x 1070's will be faster in a few games, but at the resolution you are playing at you will find that they're CPU bound, making them perform slower than the single 1080, check here:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1070_2_way_sli_review,21.html