Will it be enough?

[Hanniblex]

So I haven't done a custom loop before, but I always do a bunch of research before I make a purchasing decision. I need to ask a question that I could not find the answer to online anywhere. I am looking for the most compact loop I can get while still being relatively effective. I want to use a low fin density radiator for use with quiet fans in a Fractal Design R4.

Can I cool a 3570k at 4.4ghz and a 680 (overclocked about 20%) with a single 80mm thick/240mm long radiator and a radiator+pump?

Can I use a reservoir+pump set up to power this loop? (preferred)

Should I use a cpu block + pump?

Which pump would you recommend?

Is copper better than aluminum radiators? Please give me a reason why.

[eshbop]

1) Defiantly not with a just a 120mm, 80mm thick rad, or even a 240mm for that matter. You want at least 360mm of radiator. So a 240mm plus a separate 120mm for example, the thicker the better.

2) Yes, no worries.

3) You could, but I'd prefer reservoir + pump option.

4) A Liang D5.

6) Copper is better because of it's higher heat transfer properties.

[Winther]

I would agree, if you can get a thick 280 and do a push/pullconfig I think that would be enough, but a 360 is deff. prefered!

If you mean a single 120 AND a 240mm then yes, I would think that would be ok, but I dont know about that overclock, it might be possible, I dont know.

D5 or something like a Laing DDC (fx swiftech MCP350) but the D5 can easily handle that loop on the lowest and most quiet setting..

Copper i best, and its a bad idea to mix metals, fx aluminum and copper..

[Hanniblex]

I want to use a single 80mm thick 240 radiator. How about a 240mm/80mm thick radiator and 1 120mm thin radiator?

I am trying to fit this in a Fractal Design R4 and I want it to be quiet. What are my options? Taking my quiet & compact preference in mind of course.

Is it the degree of overclock that I want? Can I scale it back a bit and use this set up? Maybe 4.0 or 4.2ghz?

[Ghost]

I want to use a single 80mm thick 240 radiator. How about a 240mm/80mm thick radiator and 1 120mm thin radiator? I am trying to fit this in a Fractal Design R4 and I want it to be quiet. What are my options? Taking my quiet & compact preference in mind of course. Is it the degree of overclock that I want? Can I scale it back a bit and use this set up? Maybe 4.0 or 4.2ghz?

A 240*8 would be enough but it would be loud.

A 240*8 and a slim 120 might be the better option but remember slim rads are louder.

[Hanniblex]

I want to use a single 80mm thick 240 radiator. How about a 240mm/80mm thick radiator and 1 120mm thin radiator? I am trying to fit this in a Fractal Design R4 and I want it to be quiet. What are my options? Taking my quiet & compact preference in mind of course. Is it the degree of overclock that I want? Can I scale it back a bit and use this set up? Maybe 4.0 or 4.2ghz?

A 240*8 would be enough but it would be loud. A 240*8 and a slim 120 might be the better option but remember slim rads are louder.

What do you mean it will be louder to use a single 240mm thick rad?

The fans would have to spin faster?

[<boss2939>]

I want to use a single 80mm thick 240 radiator. How about a 240mm/80mm thick radiator and 1 120mm thin radiator? I am trying to fit this in a Fractal Design R4 and I want it to be quiet. What are my options? Taking my quiet & compact preference in mind of course. Is it the degree of overclock that I want? Can I scale it back a bit and use this set up? Maybe 4.0 or 4.2ghz?

A 240*8 would be enough but it would be loud. A 240*8 and a slim 120 might be the better option but remember slim rads are louder.

What do you mean it will be louder to use a single 240mm thick rad?

The fans would have to spin faster?

ya the fans will have to spin faster because lots of them have high fin count. I heard lower rpm fans work better in a pull config and higher rpm fans are better in push

[Jimbo]

I cooled a 2600K@5ghz and dual GTX 580s @ 1ghz on JUST a 360 for around 6 months, I did have Scythe ultra kaze fans at 100% in push/pull mind you....

[Hanniblex]

I cooled a 2600K@5ghz and dual GTX 580s @ 1ghz on JUST a 360 for around 6 months' date=' I did have Scythe ultra kaze fans at 100% in push/pull mind you....[/quote']

So you are saying that a single 80mm thick dual 120mm radiator will be enough?

[Manofchalk]

1. Nope, need more rad that that. Do the necessary TDP calculations and figure out how much radiator space you will need at various RPM fans.

2. Plenty of pump/res combo's out there.

3. I suggest not.

5. A D5 variant will do.

6. Copper has better heat conductivity, so it can dissipate heat faster. Also it is a very similar galvanic wise to the other typical water-cooling metals (Nickel and Brass), while Aluminium is very dissimilar. The potential for Galvanic corrosion is much higher with aluminium than it is with copper.

[Hanniblex]

1. Nope' date=' need more rad that that. Do the necessary TDP calculations and figure out how much radiator space you will need at various RPM fans. 2. Plenty of pump/res combo's out there. 3. I suggest not. 5. A D5 variant will do. 6. Copper has better heat conductivity, so it can dissipate heat faster. Also it is a very similar galvanic wise to the other typical water-cooling metals (Nickel and Brass), while Aluminium is very dissimilar. The potential for Galvanic corrosion is much higher with aluminium than it is with copper.[/quote']

Can you point me in the direction of the TDP calculations? I didn't know you could calculate the needed radiator space. Would there be a lower overclock that can handle this?

[Manofchalk]

In the sticky there is a section on how to calculate the TDP of the loop.

http://linustechtips.com/main/forum/computer-hardware/water-cooling/40782-water-cooling-101-a-good-place-for-newbies-to-start

And looking up reviews on the radiators (Martins Liquid Labs or Skinee Labs are great resources for this) in question will tell you how much TDP they can counter with various RPM fans.

There is also an equation in the sticky that will tell you a rough TDP of an overclocked CPU, GPU's are a bit more of a guessing game though.

[Hanniblex]

In the sticky there is a section on how to calculate the TDP of the loop. http://linustechtips.com/main/forum/computer-hardware/water-cooling/40782-water-cooling-101-a-good-place-for-newbies-to-start And looking up reviews on the radiators (Martins Liquid Labs or Skinee Labs are great resources for this) in question will tell you how much TDP they can counter with various RPM fans. There is also an equation in the sticky that will tell you a rough TDP of an overclocked CPU' date=' GPU's are a bit more of a guessing game though.[/quote']

I'm thinking about just settling on putting another thin 240 in the top of the case. With that I will be able to run the fans at a lower rpm. I thought that running a single thick 240 would allow me to close up the top of my define r4 and keep the noise from getting out, but it seems like I will have to compromise if I want to run it quiet and cool the gpu+cpu.

[Winther]

I had the R2 and there where room for a fan at the bottom of the case, you could get a rad for that, a thick rad in the front and then a single rad in the back? the loop might not look that good, but I think it would be ok for cooling, but if you get some really quite fans on the top rad it would for sure be better than having no rad in the top.. :)

[HoZy]

Why not put a 280 in the front & a 140 in the rear.

or

A 280 in the front & 280 in the top

or

A 280 in the front & 240 in the top

or

A 280 in the front, 280 in the top, 140 in the rear.

The Define R4 is larger than you think :)

[Hanniblex]

Why not put a 280 in the front & a 140 in the rear. or A 280 in the front & 280 in the top or A 280 in the front & 240 in the top or A 280 in the front' date=' 280 in the top, 140 in the rear. The Define R4 is larger than you think :) [/quote']

I really don't like the look of a radiator in the rear. That's the only thing that is stopping me. I might put another 240 in the top, but I would rather go with a thick 240 in the front and be done with it. I will have to do more research to see if it is possible.

[HoZy]

You can start here if you like:

http://linustechtips.com/main/forum/the-workbench/build-logs/112328-define-r4-from-down-under

Cheers

Mat

[Whaler_99]

Well now... ok - when talking about 80mm thick rad's you get into a slightly different space. This is about the only thickness of rad shown to really benefit from push/pull. But, you need to use the BEST fans for it, like NF-F12's. That brings total thickness 80+25+25 = 130mm. If you can fit that, great. If you cannot, then don't waste money on the 80mm thick and put in a 60mm rad with push/pull (will gain maybe 2C over push or pull). With the 80mm and all the fans, you may end up with no drive cages left...

Now, if you can, add the 240 on top, even thin with high SP fans, again like Noctua NF-F12's will help. And if temps are ok, you can quiet then dow using the included LNA's. But even at full speed, these fans are pretty quiet. All in all, i don't think you could cool those components with a 80mm thick rad. But - if you can do it push/pull and add in another on the roof, then should be able to make a pretty quiet system.