aio CLOSE IT Please

[GeorgeBulgaria]

Hi, form Bulgaria.
I thinking to change my 212 evo for AIO.
So here is the choices:
Cooler master Seidon 240V (new one not M) - 59 USD
ID-Cooling Frostflow 240L - 85 USD
Corsair H100i V2 (new one I hear new pump 5th generation from Asetek) - 138 USD
Corsair H110i GT - 143 USD

Here is my system:
CPU - Athlon II x4 - OC 4.2 (because over I hit thermal limit with 212) temps IDLE: 30-35C GAMING: 48-59C (depend on the game) PRIME: 68-70C
MB - Asrock  fm2a88x+ killer
RAM - geil evo potenza 2133GHz 2x4GB
GPU - PowerColor R9 290 PCS+
PSU -  750W (I cant remember the name but is old BRAND used in SERVERS - the 750W is real power it is not China PSU)
SSD - A-data SX900
HDD - wd caviar black 500GB
all these in
NZXT H440
Fans - stock 4 fans (3 front 120 intake, 1 140 back exhaust) + 1 200mm Cooler master on top exhaust running 12V.

Now I hear Seidon have problem with pump (but the old one M model not V model).
I hear good about noise for the Seidon 240V and good temps.

Frostflow I don't know nothing about it.

Corsair they have good name worldwide maybe no need to say something to them.
Is the pump on 110i V2 different then the 110i GT ?
It's worth it high Price of the other products, or is just pay for Brand and LED ?

I need your advice please

Sorry for my bad English, I don't use it very often in my Country.

[jj9987]

I'd suggest Corsair or NZXT. H100i is 240mm, H110i is 280mm. NZXT Kraken X61 would be another possibility, it is also 280mm.

[Castdeath97]

I would suggest just get a new CPU? Your CPU could holding back your R9 290 in some titles.

[GeorgeBulgaria]

Yes, you are right about the CPU but I build it on an budget.
I cant upgrade the CPU only because FX series is on AM3+.
If, I have to upgrade the CPU means to change MB too.
For right now I cant do these (300+ USD).
These why I choice to try high overclock but 212 is too weak for the job.
CPU holding back my 290 in almost any title and I feel it.
I try second hand CPU and MB but it is still over 200 USD.
So for now I'm stuck with these combo

[atomicus]

Why do you want an AIO? Simply for OC'ing? They DO NOT perform much better (and sometimes worse) than top end air coolers! Just save your money and go with a Noctua or Cryorig, both of which will perform much better than your 212 and will be more than capable of handling an overclock.

[GeorgeBulgaria]

2 hours ago, atomicus said:

Why do you want an AIO? Simply for OC'ing? They DO NOT perform much better (and sometimes worse) than top end air coolers! Just save your money and go with a Noctua or Cryorig, both of which will perform much better than your 212 and will be more than capable of handling an overclock.

I know. I got your point but H440 is not good for airflow or my thinking is wrong ?

[sl06bhytmar]

NZXT just released new Krakens which perform better than old ones. 

 

Yeah your thinking is pretty much wrong, your case is humongous so you automatically should have easy time to get heated air outside the case. Smaller the case the more likely you're going to heat up the case inside if you cannot get the heat out fast. Also smaller cases might not be able to take in those overly sized air coolers and have to rely on AIO water coolers to keep temperatures nice and low. 

So it is cheaper for you to just buy big ass air cooler. Of course if you have money and don't want to have over 1kg air cooler bending your motherboard then AIO is an option.

[atomicus]

1 hour ago, GeorgeBulgaria said:

I know. I got your point but H440 is not good for airflow or my thinking is wrong ?

 

I had that case, it's not terrible, but it's not the best. Fan choice plays a big part I found. Temps are still going to be perfectly adequate and within acceptable range, it's just a case that isn't optimised for low temps. Besides it's all relative, and an air cooler is still perfectly adequate for your needs. An AIO isn't going to perform any better, not to the extent that it actually benefits you in any real way.

[Mr.Meerkat]

4 hours ago, GeorgeBulgaria said:

I cant upgrade the CPU only because FX series is on AM3+.

Your current motherboard is FM2 so...ermmmm...

 

Anything older than sandy bridge (unless it's unlocked) won't be worth it if you're going used as an athlon is basically as fast as a i5 2300/2400  

[GeorgeBulgaria]

2 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Your current motherboard is FM2 so...ermmmm...

 

Anything older than sandy bridge (unless it's unlocked) won't be worth it if you're going used as an athlon is basically as fast as a i5 2300/2400  

It is FM2+ and I am talking about Athlon II 860k.
But I test z97 with overclocked Pentium G3258 and for online multiplayer was weaker then Athlon.
If I have budget to get I5 or I7 it will be nice.
I am not and FAN BOY of AMD or INTEL.
I know for years that INTEL is the best, BUT lets say money don't grow on trees
Maybe like Castdeath97 says is better to get now CPU MB combo.
These I can afford is something like I3-6100 and B150 MB combo BUT my RAM is out of range 2133Mhz on 1.65V stock.
So I must get and RAM and, I go out of budget with RAM.
I am open for suggestions 200USD is limit.

[Mr.Meerkat]

30 minutes ago, GeorgeBulgaria said:

It is FM2+ and I am talking about Athlon II 860k.
But I test z97 with overclocked Pentium G3258 and for online multiplayer was weaker then Athlon.
If I have budget to get I5 or I7 it will be nice.
I am not and FAN BOY of AMD or INTEL.
I know for years that INTEL is the best, BUT lets say money don't grow on trees
Maybe like Castdeath97 says is better to get now CPU MB combo.
These I can afford is something like I3-6100 and B150 MB combo BUT my RAM is out of range 2133Mhz on 1.65V stock.
So I must get and RAM and, I go out of budget with RAM.
I am open for suggestions 200USD is limit.

You can't say that tho... as in it may work in Murica but hardware is probably more expensive in Bulgaria (assuming from username)  

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($35.99 @ Directron) 
Total: $188.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-30 13:57 EDT-0400

 

See, you can indeed get an i3 6100 for $200USD with the ram and motherboard or even with a DDR3 LGA1511 motherboard...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ECS H110M-C3D (1.0) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $225.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-30 13:58 EDT-0400

 

only $25 overbudget  

[GeorgeBulgaria]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

You can't say that tho...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)  ------ 130 USD in my country
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg) ----- 70 USD in my country
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($35.99 @ Directron) ---- 56 USD in my country
Total: $188.96 = 260 USD
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-30 13:57 EDT-0400

 

See, you can indeed get an i3 6100 for $200USD with the ram and motherboard or even with a DDR3 LGA1511 motherboard...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)  ----- 202 USD in my country
Motherboard: ECS H110M-C3D (1.0) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.98 @ Newegg) ---- 60 USD in my country
Total: $225.97 = 262 USD
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-30 13:58 EDT-0400

 

only $25 overbudget  

I understand you when you are from USA  
Thanks for your time

[Mr.Meerkat]

Just now, GeorgeBulgaria said:

I understand you when you are from USA  
Thanks for your time

I'm not tho...I'm from the UK  (gotta love our 20% VAT meaning $1=£1 buying things...)

PCpartpicker just allows anyone to have a feel of prices within the countries they have prices for  

[XenosTech]

I have an i5 6600k and i have the fractal define s... Looking for an aio long enough to reach my cpu from the front of my case. Any suggestions ?