80TB Server

[Help.]

Any suggestions on what to do when building an 80TB archive server running 24/7

Feedback really helps.

[JefferyD90]

4 minutes ago, Help. said:

Any suggestions on what to do when building an 80TB archive server running 24/7

Feedback really helps.

Cooling and vibration dampening...

 

Depending on what you're wanting to do, either great parallelization or power consumption.

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

25 minutes ago, Help. said:

Any suggestions on what to do when building an 80TB archive server running 24/7

Feedback really helps.

"Quality" of the drives ( so no WD Greens, Crappy Seagates.).

Vibration, power consumption, cooling.

And, if you frequently write to it, speed. 

 

Linus just came out with a new video on giant arrays on storage,so...

 

[CookieMaster]

Quality drives

Proper cooling to make them last longer 

[Dark]

First suggestion, provide us with a budget...

[leadeater]

Step one, don't listen or do anything Linus has done .

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Dark said:

First suggestion, provide us with a budget...

That and more details on the use case for the server, '80TB archive server' doesn't actually mean anything.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Help. said:

Any suggestions on what to do when building an 80TB archive server running 24/7

Feedback really helps.

• Where's it going to be located?
• What redundancy did you need for it?
• What is being archived?
• What form factor?
• Have you considered the power requirement?
• What was the budget you were looking at?
• Was it for personal use or business?

 

 

[Unhelpful]

11 hours ago, bob51zhang said:

 

1. Which Seagates are you referring to?

2. Yes.

3. Sure.

4. Ignore Linus on everything networking, server, and audio related. He's clueless. 

5. OP what's the budget?

[Help.]

1 hour ago, Windspeed36 said:

• Where's it going to be located?
• What redundancy did you need for it?
• What is being archived?
• What form factor?
• Have you considered the power requirement?
• What was the budget you were looking at?
• Was it for personal use or business?

 

 

Located in Cold Ventilated Enviroment

Raid 1

Video, Programs, and Documents

Tower

(power is not an issue)

No budget.

Business Enterprise backup use.

[Help.]

Reliability Drives, not archive drives.

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

9 hours ago, JoeyDM said:

1. Which Seagates are you referring to?

2. Yes.

3. Sure.

4. Ignore Linus on everything networking, server, and audio related. He's clueless. 

5. OP what's the budget?

Consumer ones >2TB:

Newegg reviews for:

2TB Consumer Hybrid - 3 Eggs

4TB Consumer - 3 Eggs

6TB Enterprise - 4 Eggs

 

Seems, decent right?

That's until you find out they make 2 models, one which will serve you well for an expected lifetime of a hard drive, and another that seems to fail after 4 months.

 

They've even got a lawsuit going for them: link

 

More links:

Spoiler

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&cm_re=seagate_hard_drive-_-22-178-380-_-Product

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178379&cm_re=seagate_hard_drive-_-22-178-379-_-Product

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178522&cm_re=seagate_hard_drive-_-22-178-522-_-Product

 

[Unhelpful]

4 hours ago, bob51zhang said:

 

Class action lawsuits prove nothing. Do you know how they work? 

 

The Seagate consumer ones >2TB are fine. Backblaze started a witch-hunt to gain attention despite the fact that their methodology was horribly flawed.

[leadeater]

21 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

Class action lawsuits prove nothing. Do you know how they work? 

 

The Seagate consumer ones >2TB are fine. Backblaze started a witch-hunt to gain attention despite the fact that their methodology was horribly flawed.

 

@bob51zhang

 

The overwhelming majority of disks used by the big names such as HP, Dell, IBM, Lenovo, Netapp, EMC etc etc are all Seagate OEM. Seagate do make extremely good disks and has the widest product range of any hard disk manufacture. No brand is perfect but no user is perfect either, most disks that fail are for reasons other than design and manufacturing flaws or are only a contributing factor.

 

I was actually hit by the problematic 3TB Constellation ES.2 failures, had many replaced in customer NAS's so at the time I switched to WD Reds. However most of theses NAS's were not stored in the most optimal environments but sometimes that just can't be helped.

 

As a consumer you have the right to buy any product or brand that you prefer but this discussion is rather off topic to the thread and has no relevance to any current Seagate product, whether there was a legitimate issue at the time or not.

[Mikensan]

I had a great interaction with Seagate Warranty, so even in the event a drive fails it is a breeze to get it replaced. Got a new drive and an empty box to return the old one.

Keep spares on hand, expect a drive to fail.

 

@Help. If this is for a business / enterprise, then you're in the wrong spot. Should be talking to a vendor about a storage solution. If this is for cold storage, maybe even consider online services such as Amazon - would save you a lot of money and heartache. When crap hits the fan (as it did with Linus) you'll want vendor support. And not the kind you need a big youtube channel to back you in order to get help. You will want paid support.

 

I only have experience with one or two companies - NetApp and Dell. I don't think I can offer any opinions since I don't have a wider spectrum of experience. In terms of building one for a business use - I believe most people here are going to suggest go retail. Unless it's for a SOHO with < 10 employees.

[AshleyAshes]

22 hours ago, leadeater said:

 

@bob51zhang

 

The overwhelming majority of disks used by the big names such as HP, Dell, IBM, Lenovo, Netapp, EMC etc etc are all Seagate OEM. Seagate do make extremely good disks and has the widest product range of any hard disk manufacture. No brand is perfect but no user is perfect either, most disks that fail are for reasons other than design and manufacturing flaws or are only a contributing factor.

 

I was actually hit by the problematic 3TB Constellation ES.2 failures, had many replaced in customer NAS's so at the time I switched to WD Reds. However most of theses NAS's were not stored in the most optimal environments but sometimes that just can't be helped.

 

As a consumer you have the right to buy any product or brand that you prefer but this discussion is rather off topic to the thread and has no relevance to any current Seagate product, whether there was a legitimate issue at the time or not.

I had two Seagate 3TB Greens die just past the 18 month mark.  But on the other hand, my 4TB's are fine and I have two 2TB Greens as system drives in HTPCs, both of which have clocked more than 6.5 -years- of power on time and still no SMART errors.  Sometimes life just hands you a few bad eggs.  The problem is there's so many HDDs out there, you can't judge on your own limited samples or even the samples of a few companies that use more.  And yeah, disks WILL die, they're moving parts, they will all eventually die.   Be ready for that.

[Guest]

On 19/10/2016 at 1:58 AM, Help. said:

Located in Cold Ventilated Enviroment

Raid 1

Video, Programs, and Documents

Tower

(power is not an issue)

No budget.

Business Enterprise backup use.

If that's the case, contact the nearest Dell/HPE/Lenovo presales team depending on your region and get them to quote it. Don't do it half assed from consumer parts. If you're in Australia/NZ, shoot me a PM and I can pass your details on to presales at any of those brands.