cpu Old PC needs upgrade. CPU

[Nailroth]

Hi. I need some advice on upgrading my CPU. One thing before we start intel fan boys can leave i don't need the same replies i got on another forum i asked.

 

So my computer is about to die and im hoping i can get the funds to replace the old parts of my computer. mobo, CPU and memory.

My current setup is:

AMD  athlon x4 635

Asus m4a77

Nvidia GTX 750TI OC 1137MHZ

8GB DDR2 memory 4GB is at 1333mhz the other 4 no clue (bought the first 4gb when i built the computer from scratch like 13 years ago. only 4gb of memory DVD-RW and case is that old)

Corsair CX 430 PSU

 

So we have confirmed i own a wooden toaster for a computer.

I don't play games that require a monster computer, i play Skyrim every now and then, Farming simulator 2015, Eurotruck simulator 2, Diablo 2 And Path of Exile. Most of these games run fine today but they could use an upgrade to run even smoother mostly Farming simulator and Path of Exile.

 

On the other forum i asked for advice i was recommended to get an I3 6100 instead of a AMD FX 6300 and sent a link to a Youtube video comparing the two CPU's and the i3 was the winner but in GTA 5 it won by 10 frames but thats not much for me in my games GTA 5 requires a much better PC then what i currently have while the games i play i can play today in most cases like high graphic instead of ultra. while GTA 5 i would probably not even get 10 frames on lowest settings.

 

My budget would be roughly 270 USD

I can get AMD FX 6300 +  Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P  + Crucial BallistixSport 2x4GB 1600MHz for 234,13 USD

I3 6100 + ASUS Z170-K + HyperX Fury Black 2133MHz CL14 2x4GB for 298,06 It's above my budget but i can probably get the missing cash for the I3

 

The problem with the i3 is that it is only a dual core. Path of exile has just added in multi thread support and it requires 4 or more physical cores. to have it active. Multi thread mode gives me today about 3-4 times the performance i have in single thread mode. and according to CPU boss the i3 is just over twice as powerful in single thread compared to my current CPU. CPU Boss

 

If i can get enough cash for the i3 i could add an SSD to the FX 6300 package as mine died 3 years ago or possibly go for the older i5

Because of this i found i5 4460 + Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A + Crucial BallistixSport 2x4GB 1600MHz for 304,59 USD almost the exact same price as the i3 but this one being a Quad core so i would have no performance issues in path of exile.

This also comes with drawbacks as there is no future proofing, This set might also require a new case and that will make this way out of my budget as the mobo is m-atx. I'm unsure if my case supports m-atx i believe it does but can't find information about my case on the web as i only know it's a coolermaster, there is no model name on the case and all numbers i can find gives me cases on google just not my case.

 

Sorry for wall of possibly unneeded information just trying to give as much so i get correct advice.

[jj9987]

If you currently have ATX case, then it is quite likely, that it supports Micro-ATX only.

i5-4460 still packs quite a punch, upgrading is limited til 4790k though.

[Mi26]

reuse the ram and get haswell or haswell refresh 

[Imglidinhere]

10 minutes ago, Mi26 said:

reuse the ram and get haswell or haswell refresh 

Haswell requires DDR3L, so he can't simply reuse the memory.

 

I agree with the i5-4460 idea! It's a great CPU and you'll immediately notice a vast difference in capability. If I'm not mistaken, it should be around double the performance at least.

[Nailroth]

Found a FX8350 set without memory and with memory at full price added in it goes to about 2 USD cheaper then the i5 but from looking quick on google it seems the i5 is better for me since i only play 1 game that needs a quad core CPU, and the offer at that price is also limited so i guess i should aim for the i5 4460. just need to find a measurement of screw holes for M-ATX motherboard. took of the back panel of my case and there is a bunch of holes 32 of them in total. from looking at it i believe this case should fit an M-ATX and probably some other form factors thats probably not in use today.

[SLAYR]

1 hour ago, Imglidinhere said:

Haswell requires DDR3L, so he can't simply reuse the memory.

 

I agree with the i5-4460 idea! It's a great CPU and you'll immediately notice a vast difference in capability. If I'm not mistaken, it should be around double the performance at least.

No skylake requires ddr3l, or ddr4, haswell can use ddr3, or ddr3l.

[SLAYR]

14 minutes ago, Nailroth said:

Found a FX8350 set without memory and with memory at full price added in it goes to about 2 USD cheaper then the i5 but from looking quick on google it seems the i5 is better for me since i only play 1 game that needs a quad core CPU, and the offer at that price is also limited so i guess i should aim for the i5 4460. just need to find a measurement of screw holes for M-ATX motherboard. took of the back panel of my case and there is a bunch of holes 32 of them in total. from looking at it i believe this case should fit an M-ATX and probably some other form factors thats probably not in use today.

Upgrading the cpu will help a little, but the gpu also may be holding you back after you do that so you won't seeto much improvement. I would say upgrade the gpu as well as the cpu.

 

1 hour ago, Nailroth said:

The problem with the i3 is that it is only a dual core. Path of exile has just added in multi thread support and it requires 4 or more physical cores. to have it active. Multi thread mode gives me today about 3-4 times the performance i have in single thread mode. and according to CPU boss the i3 is just over twice as powerful in single thread compared to my current CPU. CPU Boss

 

If i can get enough cash for the i3 i could add an SSD to the FX 6300 package as mine died 3 years ago or possibly go for the older i5

I3 has hyperthreading games will see it as a quad core cpu. 

 

CPUBoss is utter trash for comparing cpus.

 

And you can get an i3 setup for under $200USD.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbzFPs

 

EdIT: the minimum requirements for Path of Exile is a 1.4Ghz pentium 4, it doesn't require a quad core to run, that is just the recommended cpu.

[BingoFishy]

Get an i3. It's way better than an FX6300. Right now, AMD CPUs are trash compared to intel's offerings both on the platform and in terms of raw speed. Hopefully Zen will change that, but as for now, get an i3.

[SLAYR]

12 minutes ago, BingoFishy said:

Get an i3. It's way better than an FX6300. Right now, AMD CPUs are trash compared to intel's offerings both on the platform and in terms of raw speed. Hopefully Zen will change that, but as for now, get an i3.

With raw speed amd cpus are better like the 6xxx, and 8xxx and will do better then an i3, as multithreaded speed is considered "raw" performance.

Games don't want "raw" performance though

 

Plus you can get the fx 8xxx bundled with a motherboard for $100 at places like microcenter, the fx series is worth it is you can get it for cheap enough.

[Nailroth]

6 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

And you can get an i3 setup for under $200USD.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/YbzFPs

 

EdIT: the minimum requirements for Path of Exile is a 1.4Ghz pentium 4, it doesn't require a quad core to run, that is just the recommended cpu.

True a quad is reccomended but if you don't play the game you don't know the changes they have done to performance.

The section from the latest big patch

Engine Multithreading:

This patch introduces the new multithreaded engine features that should significantly improve game performance for most users. They were previously an opt-in beta test.

To disable this feature, change "Engine Multithreading" in the Graphics Options to "Disabled". It is automatically disabled if your CPU has less than four hardware cores.

Frame rate increases are most significant when there are a lot of entities in the scene. This means situations with large amounts of combat should have much more stable frame rates. Do not expect significant increases in frame rate in non-combat situations.

If you are GPU-bound, you shouldn't expect significant increases in frame rate.

 

You can read the notes Here

 

And for getting a i3 setup for less then 200 USD That is not possible in my country, The place i will be buying it from is the cheapest possible but i can drop a few USD by going for a micro atx motherboard and save like 10 USD.

AMD CPU here is similar priced as in the US while intel is far more expensive here.

[BingoFishy]

8 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

With raw speed amd cpus are better like the 6xxx, and 8xxx and will do better then an i3, as multithreaded speed is considered "raw" performance.

Games don't want "raw" performance though

 

Plus you can get the fx 8xxx bundled with a motherboard for $100 at places like microcenter, the fx series is worth it is you can get it for cheap enough.

Sorry, guess I worded it wrong.

[SLAYR]

29 minutes ago, Nailroth said:

And for getting a i3 setup for less then 200 USD That is not possible in my country, The place i will be buying it from is the cheapest possible but i can drop a few USD by going for a micro atx motherboard and save like 10 USD.

AMD CPU here is similar priced as in the US while intel is far more expensive here.

You are better off stating what currency that you are actually using, if you state USD people are going to assume that you live in the US.

 

There are people are over the world on this forum that can help, and realize that places like in Asia and such Intel cpus are priced a lot higher then amd equivalents.

[Nailroth]

I always convert my currency to USD to get help since most won't help when they need to either find a converter or do the math. But for the record i live in Sweden and we use Swedish kronor or Sek for short. 1 USD = 9.35 Sek

 

So the prices would be

i3 6100 set now cheaper as my case should fit m-atx so no need to nearly double mobo price for atx form and this mobo is ddr3 memory =  2488 Sek  (265,99 USD)

FX 6300 set = 2190 Sek same USD first post

I5 4460 set =2849 Sek same USD as first post

 

The ddr3 for the i3 shouldn't be a problem in upgrading CPU in a few years right as i5 and i7 should support lower memory speeds right? 

 

[Nailroth]

Did some changes to the i3 setup and it looks that it will be the cpu set ill buy, you confused me with the DDR3L memory so i googled and found that DDR3 memory is not good with the I3 6300 so i could save 20 sek (about 2 USD) getting a DDR 4 mobo and DDR 4 memory.

Also found an exact copy of my case only diffrence is that mine never came with included 80mm rear fan (Cooler master Centurion 5 CAC-T05) And it supports ATX and Micro-ATX

 

Thanks for all the help you have given me.

[Shura]

21 minutes ago, Nailroth said:

Did some changes to the i3 setup and it looks that it will be the cpu set ill buy, you confused me with the DDR3L memory so i googled and found that DDR3 memory is not good with the I3 6300 so i could save 20 sek (about 2 USD) getting a DDR 4 mobo and DDR 4 memory.

Also found an exact copy of my case only diffrence is that mine never came with included 80mm rear fan (Cooler master Centurion 5 CAC-T05) And it supports ATX and Micro-ATX

 

Thanks for all the help you have given me.

If you didn't buy the parts already, just thought I'd throw this in here, its a tiny bit over your budget but much better system overall

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qLBC8K

 

CPU: i5 6500

Motherboard: Asus H110-A with M.2 Slot

RAM: 8GB DDR4

 

total is $290.86 or 282.85 if you do the rebate.

[Nailroth]

I havn't bought the parts yet don't have the money yet. i'm hoping to get it by december at least at that time i can also get a discount as we have a thing sort of like black friday here just after christmas. It's not has cheap but it's over nearly a month these days gets longer every year.

 

I was also looking at I5 CPUs in case i get more cash then i think as in the stuff im selling is worth around 3000 sek roughly 320 USD but it's a buyers market and some of the items i might not be able to sell at all.

 

But i looked at the I5 6500 and i have a few choices with motherboards. and it will cost me 3297 sek (352,48 USD)

i have choices of motherboards and brands on memory, 1 8gb stick or 2x4gb stick so not much there.

 

ASUS H110M-A

Gigabyte H110M-DS2

Gigabyte H110M-S2H

 

ASUS B150M-K

Gigabyte H110M-DS2

Gigabyte H110M-S2H

These 3 lower ones are on a seperate site and they are DDR4SD memory support while the above one are DDR4 no clue what the difference is. On this site i can also buy a Crucial 1x8gb DDR4 SD memory

 

There is really no benefit ordering online from the US as shipping cost goes up quite a bit and comes out at similar price about 150 sek roughly 110 USD cheaper. rather pay the extra in case i need to return something for repair or replacement as it will not take as long. i can also go to the physical store if i am desperate.

 

What do you guys think of these stuff? the motherboards are all 2133MHZ support while the sticks i can buy is 2400MHZ i need to pay extra for 8GB of 2133MHZ sticks. (not much like 50 sek. 1 USD = 9.35 Sek)

[Imglidinhere]

14 hours ago, SLAYR said:

No skylake requires ddr3l, or ddr4, haswell can use ddr3, or ddr3l.

Haswell mobile required DDR3L at some point. I assumed the desktops did too. <~> Apologies. Had a dumb.