6100 with RX 480

[MVPernula]

Will there be a bottleneck?

[Morgan MLGman]

Yes. 6100 is not good enough for RX 480 in AAA titles.

[MVPernula]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Yes. 6100 is not good enough for RX 480 in AAA titles.

What will the bottleneck be like?

[Misanthrope]

Some games will be ok but you should try to fit a 6400 and a 470 instead. That'd give you very close performance and actually better at CPU bound games.

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, MVPernula said:

What will the bottleneck be like?

Depends on the game. In The Witcher 3 if you enter Novigrad, expect a stutterfest.

[Misanthrope]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Depends on the game. In The Witcher 3 if you enter Novigrad, expect a stutterfest.

Yeah. You could just reduce the number of characters on screen but you spend so much time there and you WANNA spend so much time in there it's more enjoyable to get an i5

[MVPernula]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Depends on the game. In The Witcher 3 if you enter Novigrad, expect a stutterfest.

 

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah. You could just reduce the number of characters on screen but you spend so much time there and you WANNA spend so much time in there it's more enjoyable to get an i5

Thanks guys, that's all I needed!

[ace_cheaply]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Depends on the game. In The Witcher 3 if you enter Novigrad, expect a stutterfest.

Is this also true for overclocked i3?  I guess you could just oc the i5 and still have a much better system.  You'd have to get the asrock hyper or a z170 board though. 

[Morgan MLGman]

9 hours ago, ace_cheaply said:

Is this also true for overclocked i3?  I guess you could just oc the i5 and still have a much better system.  You'd have to get the asrock hyper or a z170 board though. 

Overclocking of those chips is a mess, I wouldn't try that tbh.

[ace_cheaply]

13 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Overclocking of those chips is a mess, I wouldn't try that tbh.

A mess how? The core temp disabled?  Not too big a deal with the package temps, as long as you don't push too hard.  

[Morgan MLGman]

6 hours ago, ace_cheaply said:

A mess how? The core temp disabled?  Not too big a deal with the package temps, as long as you don't push too hard.  

You need to overclock it by raising BCLK, it's not recommended as it messes with the entire system and might cause instability, or even damage something.

 

Not to mention that you'd have to run older BIOS on the mobo, because the new ones are locked in terms of overclocking of those chips.

[ace_cheaply]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You need to overclock it by raising BCLK, it's not recommended as it messes with the entire system and might cause instability, or even damage something.

 

Not to mention that you'd have to run older BIOS on the mobo, because the new ones are locked in terms of overclocking of those chips.

BCLK on skylake isn't tied to cache like haswell, and any overclocking can cause stability issues and damage something, so that's not really a deterrent.   

 

Also, yeah, you have to run an older bios but so what?  If it is stable, it's not an issue...

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, ace_cheaply said:

BCLK on skylake isn't tied to cache like haswell, and any overclocking can cause stability issues and damage something, so that's not really a deterrent.   

 

Also, yeah, you have to run an older bios but so what?  If it is stable, it's not an issue...

New BIOSes usually are impactful and sometimes introduce some useful functions.

 

I wasn't talking about cache, I was saying that BCLK frequency also changes RAM speeds and bridge/PCI bus speeds. This introduces tons of potential issues.

[ace_cheaply]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

New BIOSes usually are impactful and sometimes introduce some useful functions.

 

I wasn't talking about cache, I was saying that BCLK frequency also changes RAM speeds and bridge/PCI bus speeds. This introduces tons of potential issues.

Can you provide some information on functions that an old bios wouldn't have but newer bioses would? Because a hypothetical isn't really a good reason.

 

Nope, not on skylake. It has nothing to do with the pci bus, and the ratio for the ram speed can be changed just as easily as the bclk.

 

 

Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10021/skylake-overclocking-regular-cpu-bclk-overclocking-is-being-removed

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, ace_cheaply said:

Can you provide some information on functions that an old bios wouldn't have but newer bioses would? Because a hypothetical isn't really a good reason.

I've had motherboards that did not have fast boot and a BIOS update would introduce that function.

[ace_cheaply]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I've had motherboards that did not have fast boot and a BIOS update would introduce that function.

I mean for z170 boards. 

[Morgan MLGman]

24 minutes ago, ace_cheaply said:

I mean for z170 boards. 

I've never had a Z170 board, there might be new features in the future that'll come in useful for many people.

For Z170 boards Kaby Lake support would probably come in handy.

 

There are many updates for M.2 NVMe SSDs, for compatibily and optimal performance. Some people use those, you know?

[ace_cheaply]

7 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I've never had a Z170 board, there might be new features in the future that'll come in useful for many people.

For Z170 boards Kaby Lake support would probably come in handy.

 

There are many updates for M.2 NVMe SSDs, for compatibily and optimal performance. Some people use those, you know?

Yeah, but if you're buying a kabylake i3, you'll probably benefit more from an overclocked skylake i3, or a 6400 @ 4gz over a 7400 @ 2.6ghz, or whatever it's final clockspeed is.

 

Also, if you're paying the extra money for m.2 ssds with an i3 or the cheapest locked i5, you're spending your money in the wrong place anyway.  And again, these are hypothetical. Do you know of any m.2 ssds supported by the newer bioses that aren't supported on older z170 bioses?

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, ace_cheaply said:

Also, if you're paying the extra money for m.2 ssds with an i3 or the cheapest locked i5, you're spending your money in the wrong place anyway.  And again, these are hypothetical. Do you know of any m.2 ssds supported by the newer bioses that aren't supported on older z170 bioses?

No, but my ASRock X99X Killer motherboard constantly gets BIOS updates, and different SSDs compatibility ones are in most of them, so I suppose it's necessary, why would they otherwise do it. And X99 is a higher-end chipset than Z170.

[ace_cheaply]

22 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

No, but my ASRock X99X Killer motherboard constantly gets BIOS updates, and different SSDs compatibility ones are in most of them, so I suppose it's necessary, why would they otherwise do it. And X99 is a higher-end chipset than Z170.

X99 is a higher end chipset, probably why they get bios updates "constantly" to get the absolute best performance.  My z170 Gaming 5 has only been updated a few times in the last year, and not at all since march. My z170s board has had more recently, but both have had 5 overall.  Funny, though, that I've never updated either bios yet they still work fine.  Since I have the gaming 5 sitting, I'll probably buy a cheap i3 or i5 just to play with overclocking it. 

 

[MVPernula]

7 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

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7 hours ago, ace_cheaply said:

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[Morgan MLGman]

4 hours ago, MVPernula said:

 

Discussions like that are a normal thing here, we're here to discuss tech too in the end