12ms response time bad?

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

So yeah the monitor looks good and it's 12ms response time. Any difference from 12ms or like 4ms?

[crunzaty]

It depends on the person.

I'm used to 120hz @ 1/2ms and i do notice the difference when trying my friends Dell 30" 14ms monitor. It's not as bad as a tv but it's close.

[TheSLSAMG]

It is going to be quite laggy, if you have ever seen a USB monitor in action

Oh silly iPad, your auto correct amuses me.

Edited October 14, 2013 by TheSLSAMG

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

:\ So I shouldn't get a 12ms response time monitor?

[Drown]

What monitor is it and what's your budget? I don't recommand getting a 12ms response time monitor, but for some people it can be fine. Give us a bit more infos and we'll be able to find you a good deal.

[beefalo]

:\ So I shouldn't get a 12ms response time monitor?

There's nothing wrong with a 12ms response time.  It's not bad by any means.  TV's can have much response times over 30ms and anything under 20 will be fine for most people.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

What monitor is it and what's your budget? I don't recommand getting a 12ms response time monitor, but for some people it can be fine. Give us a bit more infos and we'll be able to find you a good deal.

Max 200$ on NCIX and 1080p and at least 23-24 inch.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

What monitor is it and what's your budget? I don't recommand getting a 12ms response time monitor, but for some people it can be fine. Give us a bit more infos and we'll be able to find you a good deal.

 

Monitor is BenQ GW2450HM 24 inch

[ilove64]

Max 200$ on NCIX and 1080p and at least 23-24 inch.

You can look in here, http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#sort=a9&s=2400,2380,2360,2350,2300&r=192001080

2MS 1080P at 23" for 130$-  http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vh238h

[Glenwing]

Response time doesn't really matter... and you can't trust the numbers on the box anyway as there is no standard way of measuring it.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Response time doesn't really matter... and you can't trust the numbers on the box anyway as there is no standard way of measuring it.

 

Yeah I suppose they buff up their numbers. But I mean 12 ms response means what exactly? How much before what is actually happening appears on the screen?

[ilove64]

Yeah I suppose they buff up their numbers. But I mean 12 ms response means what exactly? How much before what is actually happening appears on the screen?

I think it's like how much time it takes your monitor to respond to your actions....

For example if you move your mouse an inch it'll take 0.12 seconds to respond to it on your monitor...

Not 100% sure though

[nightlitezzz]

Response times are meaningless. Just look for input lag numbers. Anywhere up to ~14ms should be fine.

[SteepGnomeKing]

12ms = .012 seconds

 

Can you notice it? I doubt it honestly. Plus how are they measuring it?

Go on a Samsung website and you see a monitor with 5ms GTG ((grey to grey) which isn't realistic) and a 16ms response time.

Plus your mouse and keyboard. Your graphics card lag. Internet ping, HDD stutter.

 

It's all so low you shouldn't notice anything.

If your a hardcore competitive gamer playing on a LAN than maybe -10ms will be beneficial from you but I doubt you will see a 12ms monitor lag.

 

If your picking a nice panel with 12ms than I'd go for it. I really doubt you will notice any lag on the screen from inputs.

[JoshM]

Aim for between 5-6 ms response time 

[Guest]

I think it's like how much time it takes your monitor to respond to your actions....

For example if you move your mouse an inch it'll take 0.12 seconds to respond to it on your monitor...

Not 100% sure though

You have to compensate for input lag, your motherboard, your display connectors, etc. as well.

[Matsy]

Screw response time, its input lag you need to watch out for.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Ok so how much input lag on the BenQ GW2450HM and is it a good monitor?

[Glenwing]

Yeah I suppose they buff up their numbers. But I mean 12 ms response means what exactly? How much before what is actually happening appears on the screen?

 

The response time is how long a pixel takes to change from its current color to another color after it has been instructed to do so by the graphics adapter.  The slower the response time, the slower the pixels change, and if it got too slow you would start to see a motion trail behind fast moving objects on a contrasting background (IE black object moving across a white field).  Response time is not a set number, it is different depending on what the starting color is and what the ending color is.  Changing from grey to another shade of grey is the fastest transition, and that is what manufacturers quote response times in.

 

Unfortunately it's basically a meaningless number because no matter what it is, you'd never notice a motion trail from a grey object on a slightly lighter or darker grey background anyway.  It's a measurement of something that never matters in any actual video output.  You'd notice motion trails on fast moving objects across high contrast backgrounds (white on black, etc.) that response time is what matters.  Of course, it is the slowest transition, so manufacturers never use that... I mean, who doesn't like lower numbers right?

 

Yeah, I don't mean response time numbers are inaccurate, I mean they are actually measuring something different than what actually matters.  TN panels white/black response time is usually 5-8ms, for IPS panels usually around 14-16ms.

 

From what I've observed all in all response time can be ignored entirely, I've never witnessed the symptoms of slow response time.  Pretty much all monitors are fast enough that you'll have a good experience with any of them.

[beefalo]

Ok so how much input lag on the BenQ GW2450HM and is it a good monitor?

It's not a bad monitor for the price.  It's advertised as a 4ms response time but those numbers are all bs.  It's like advertised contrast ratios where they sorta cheat the measurement.  TV's have bad response times but almost any monitor will be fine.  From what I've read on response time and latency anything under 30ms shouldn't be noticeable at all. 

[Emperor_Piehead]

Ok so how much input lag on the BenQ GW2450HM and is it a good monitor?

Well the total input lag is 6ms which is good, but not necessarily needed. I have a monitor which has 27ms of input lag, but I have never had an issue with it playing a FPS or strategy game.

 

My recommendation in your price range though would be the acer H236hlbid

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483&Tpk=acer%20h236hlbid

 

Has better colors, matte bezels and a pretty thin bezel.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

It's not a bad monitor for the price.  It's advertised as a 4ms response time but those numbers are all bs.  It's like advertised contrast ratios where they sorta cheat the measurement.  TV's have bad response times but almost any monitor will be fine.  From what I've read on response time and latency anything under 30ms shouldn't be noticeable at all. 

 

4ms gray to gray, and 12ms non gray to gray to be precise

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Well the total input lag is 6ms which is good, but not necessarily needed. I have a monitor which has 27ms of input lag, but I have never had an issue with it playing a FPS or strategy game.

 

My recommendation in your price range though would be the acer H236hlbid

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009483&Tpk=acer%20h236hlbid

 

Has better colors, matte bezels and a pretty thin bezel.

 

Well honestly, I don't like Acer. I feel like their monitors are made cheap, my dad had a Acer monitor and it lasted like 1 year, so did the other one. I don't feel like Acer are a high quality company By better colors though, what do you mean?

[Emperor_Piehead]

Well honestly, I don't like Acer. I feel like their monitors are made cheap, my dad had a Acer monitor and it lasted like 1 year, so did the other one. I don't feel like Acer are a high quality company By better colors though, what do you mean?

Well you have the BenQ screen which has a VA panel while the Acer screen has an IPS panel. The IPS panel brings better colors, viewing angles, and slightly worse blacks over VA

 

Some of the new acer monitors are better than the older not so good ones, but here some other good options.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260109

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260055

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236292

[beefalo]

Well honestly, I don't like Acer. I feel like their monitors are made cheap, my dad had a Acer monitor and it lasted like 1 year, so did the other one. I don't feel like Acer are a high quality company By better colors though, what do you mean?

If you're really set one getting a low response time monitor and you know slower response time will bother you then you will need to stick with either a va or tn panel.  If response time isn't that important (and I don't think it should be) then go for an ips panel.  For me color accuracy and viewing angles are most important but it's up to you what you're looking for.

 

Edit:  I'm also not picky at all about brand.  They all pretty much use the same panels in similarly speced and priced models so I don't really think any brands have big quality differences.