Ps4 neo question

[Adam1984]

Does anybody know if the ps4 neo will support proper 4k gaming? I still dont know whether to get a new gpu and do 4k on my pc or just wait for the neo and have an "easier" experience (if that makes sense) 

They mentioned it on the wan show but didnt mention about actual 4k gaming

[| Rembo |]

it won't

[Adam1984]

Is that definate or just speculating based on what we know about hardware?

[Paytend01]

Just now, Adam1984 said:

Is that definate or just speculating based on what we know about hardware?

Its almost definite. Not 100% sure but im 99% sure.  

[Adam1984]

I secretely hope it doesnt, cos I generally love the pc experience and watching framerates but dont wanna waste money on gpus etc just to find the ps4 neo will give you a good enough 4k gaming experience. If I lived alone id just go for pc all day long but I have to think about both mine and my girlfriends finances when getting the latest gaming experience. 

[GoodBytes]

It will support 4K. But that is like saying the PS4 or XBox One supports 1080p , in the sense that the hardware supports it, but most games will probably not use it, to push more graphics over fps or higher resolution. Heck the WiiU supports more games in 1080p 60fps or 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps than the PS4, because Nintendo knows its console limitation and pushes game play experience over realism/graphics. But I think the problem is that its users expects more out of games, wanting something like SNES to N64, where we passed form 2D to 3D, something drastic, like that. So the game industry is pushing for graphics over all else, and I won't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft pushes devs to "show something impressive on stage", so this is what they do, to try and justify the PS4/XBox One over the PS3/XBox 360, not understanding that the console is already better by massive amounts. Then again, Nintendo aims for unique experience, which many consider "gimmicks", and pushes the console aside, like if it was some sort of add-on that few games will support, not understanding that if the console is released with it, and it works, that most games will use it.
That is why the PS Move, and Kinect 360 didn't do well. Kinect on XBox One was good, as it was including (and a billions times better, tech wise), but sadly for Microsoft, the lack of really good games to show case the Kinect v2, wasn't there, and people remembered being burned with the old Kinect, so no one cares.

 

So of course, it is "we need to wait and see", as things might change. But I doubt, magically, 4K 60fps will be a thing on console, as it isn't even on PC (well it's touching it, but not solid at 100% across the board, like 1080p gaming is.. let alone 1440p)

[Thony]

The consoles can support proper 4K if they cost at least $800. Anything less and its jsut upscaled 4K not tru 4K and most likely under 30FPS dips. IMO its too early to bring 4K consoles to the market when even PCs havent adopted 4K that well... Just recently we got a GPU that can play 4K 60FPS after so many years of 4K displays being in the market.

[malon]

I think the neo will be better for  playstation vr since they need to get actual 90+ fps on that thing and the current ps4 cant even do 60Fps1080p in every game, so it looks more like this is to be somewhat competative in the vr market than for 4K gaming, ofcourse there will be games that can be run at 4K on the neo if we have to believe sony, but those most likely will be indy games and ''remakes'' from ps1 and ps2 and maybe some ps3.

 

I think that real 4K gaming will not be on consoles for atleast one more generation after neo and scorpio, and only when the 4K gaming market is as big in the future as 1080p gaming is today.

[Sovek]

Digital foundry has a video on this, taking a downclocked 480 to 900MHz and seeing what it can do, and the results are... disappointing. It cant really do 4k native @30fps, and often drops below this. At 1080 it does 60fps at even at higher settings. They are looking at a trick in upscaling to 4kand get decent fps, but its still not native. The sweet spot seems to be 1440 but higher than this and it struggles even at 30fps

[Scruffy90]

9 hours ago, Adam1984 said:

Does anybody know if the ps4 neo will support proper 4k gaming? I still dont know whether to get a new gpu and do 4k on my pc or just wait for the neo and have an "easier" experience (if that makes sense) 

They mentioned it on the wan show but didnt mention about actual 4k gaming

No, the leaked slides showed that it was upscaling from 1080p

[Sharkyx1]

On 29/08/2016 at 10:08 AM, GoodBytes said:

Heck the WiiU supports more games in 1080p 60fps or 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps than the PS4, 

This hasn't been the case for a very long time and probably wasn't ever. 

 

There are something like 11 ps4 games that aren't 1080p. And there are like 40~ 60fps games on it, I don't know if the WIi u even has 40 games. 

[Sharkyx1]

On 29/08/2016 at 6:58 PM, Scruffy90 said:

No, the leaked slides showed that it was upscaling from 1080p

What it will do is upscale from variable resolutions like many current gen games do, but instead of dropping from 1080 down to 944 or so they will vary from 1080 to 4k depending on scene complexity. 

 

I  absolutely think there will be 4k 3d games on it, not Witcher 3, but something like MGSV visuals or sports games 

[GoodBytes]

43 minutes ago, Sharkyx1 said:

This hasn't been the case for a very long time and probably wasn't ever. 

 

There are something like 11 ps4 games that aren't 1080p. And there are like 40~ 60fps games on it, I don't know if the WIi u even has 40 games. 

Great then why people complain then? Also, WiiU has nearly 800 games.

[Guest]

On 8/30/2016 at 0:08 AM, GoodBytes said:

It will support 4K. But that is like saying the PS4 or XBox One supports 1080p , in the sense that the hardware supports it, but most games will probably not use it, to push more graphics over fps or higher resolution. Heck the WiiU supports more games in 1080p 60fps or 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps than the PS4, because Nintendo knows its console limitation and pushes game play experience over realism/graphics. But I think the problem is that its users expects more out of games, wanting something like SNES to N64, where we passed form 2D to 3D, something drastic, like that. So the game industry is pushing for graphics over all else, and I won't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft pushes devs to "show something impressive on stage", so this is what they do, to try and justify the PS4/XBox One over the PS3/XBox 360, not understanding that the console is already better by massive amounts. Then again, Nintendo aims for unique experience, which many consider "gimmicks", and pushes the console aside, like if it was some sort of add-on that few games will support, not understanding that if the console is released with it, and it works, that most games will use it.
That is why the PS Move, and Kinect 360 didn't do well. Kinect on XBox One was good, as it was including (and a billions times better, tech wise), but sadly for Microsoft, the lack of really good games to show case the Kinect v2, wasn't there, and people remembered being burned with the old Kinect, so no one cares.

 

So of course, it is "we need to wait and see", as things might change. But I doubt, magically, 4K 60fps will be a thing on console, as it isn't even on PC (well it's touching it, but not solid at 100% across the board, like 1080p gaming is.. let alone 1440p)

I'm actually looking to see if they have graphical settings. So the highest settings are 4k at 30fps, and then you can lower graphical settings if you wish to get more fps..........would be quite interesting

[Scruffy90]

1 hour ago, Sharkyx1 said:

What it will do is upscale from variable resolutions like many current gen games do, but instead of dropping from 1080 down to 944 or so they will vary from 1080 to 4k depending on scene complexity. 

 

I  absolutely think there will be 4k 3d games on it, not Witcher 3, but something like MGSV visuals or sports games 

4k 3d would provide for an awesome looking 3d experience since you effectively lose half res to each eye, but it would have to be steady fps for it not to give people headaches.

[Sharkyx1]

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Great then why people complain then? Also, WiiU has nearly 800 games.

Most people  who complain about resolution in regards to ps4 are simply ignorant. 

 

Not to say it's intensely powerful of beyond criticism, but that's not an alley to bark down. 

 

And quoting the total software numbers for a console is pretty silly, there are like 140 or so retail WIi u games and it's a known thing that it has a scarce library 

[GoodBytes]

26 minutes ago, Sharkyx1 said:

Most people  who complain about resolution in regards to ps4 are simply ignorant. 

 

Not to say it's intensely powerful of beyond criticism, but that's not an alley to bark down. 

 

And quoting the total software numbers for a console is pretty silly, there are like 140 or so retail WIi u games and it's a known thing that it has a scarce library 

Games are games... you said they were 40. That is very ignorant from you.

[Sharkyx1]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

14 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Games are games... you said they were 40. That is very ignorant from you.

 

The only ground I'll give you on that is if I'm trying to push for people to know more I shouldn't  be sarcastic 

 

The facts here are the vast vast vast majority of PS4 games are 1080p. The WIi u as far as I'm aware has 2 1080p 60 games and I'd assume it's less than 5, the ps4 has at least 30 and then more at 900 60.

 

Nothing against Nintendo and Mario Kart 8 Bayonetta and most other first party non Zelda games being 720 60 is impressive for the hardware 

[skywake]

2 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Great then why people complain then? Also, WiiU has nearly 800 games.

The more important metric if you ask me would be this one. Of the 10 games that I'd personally rank as the best games of this generation? 5 are on the Wii U. So for me personally there is no question that the Wii U was the best platform of this era of gaming hardware. And I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks.

 

But it's a moot point because it's a dead platform now. So who cares! We picked the side of quality exclusives on a toaster over third party random with more FLOPS. Our side lost this round but they're rolling again. Lets just shut up for a bit and wait to see what happens next round.

[Sharkyx1]

6 minutes ago, skywake said:

The more important metric if you ask me would be this one. Of the 10 games that I'd personally rank as the best games of this generation? 5 are on the Wii U. So for me personally there is no question that the Wii U was the best platform of this era of gaming hardware. And I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks.

 

But it's a moot point because it's a dead platform now. So who cares! We picked the side of quality exclusives on a toaster over third party random with more FLOPS. Our side lost this round but they're rolling again. Lets just shut up for a bit and wait to see what happens next round.

My big problem with it is it has a hand full of Good stuff but it's full of shovel ware and was hung out to dry for its first two years and Nintendo still over prices it. They better learn with their next hardware release. 

 

Nintendo games aren't my big thing but I want star fox 

[kirashi]

On 8/29/2016 at 6:53 AM, Adam1984 said:

Is that definate or just speculating based on what we know about hardware?

It won't if it is to be priced similarly to the current PS4, or even just a tad higher.

Why, you ask? Because even PC's with proper hardware have a difficult time pushing framerates high enough at 4K resolutions.

You'll find information taken from 4k.com in the spoiler below denoting that even the GTX 1080 has a hard time pushing 60FPS at 4K.

The GTX 1080 alone costs more than a current generation PS4, so there's no possible way the PS4 Neo will be able to run 4K at an acceptable framerate, from a "PC Masterrace" perspective.

 

However, please note that if console gaming is your thing, and the cinematic quality and framerates of consoles are acceptable for you, then great!

All the more power to PS4 Neo owners. This was never intended to be a bashing of console gamers, because everyone uses different hardware for different reasons.

We own a PS4 in our house, and although I still game more on PC and build custom computers, I still love my PS4 for exclusives and playing Ubisoft games

Spoiler

• 4K UHD (2160p) performance

4K UHD gaming is the definite maximum metric of a GPU’s gaming chops and to-date virtually no major GPU we’ve yet looked at manages this resolution at reasonably high frame rates in maximum detail settings. This applies particularly to really graphics intensive gaming. In the case of the GTX 1080, it does the best job we’ve ever seen so far of delivering decent to excellent frame rates in 4K graphics on a 4K PC monitor or PC-connected TV and the GPU manages to reach even as high as 60fps in slightly lower detail levels with some games. None of the existing rival graphics cards can manage the higher frame rates of the GTX 1080 with nearly the same aplomb or consistency.

 

Rise of the Tomb Raider (2160p) 
GTX 1080 overclocked: 36fps (50 fps max)
GTX 1080 normal: 47 fps (34 fps max)
GTX Titan X: 27 fps (38 fps max)
GTX 980 Ti: 25 fps (39 fps max)
AMD Radeon R9 Nano: 16 fps (28 fps max)

 

Battlefield 4 (2160p)

GTX 1080 overclocked: 47fps (63 fps max)
GTX 1080 normal: 47 fps (56 fps max)
GTX Titan X: 28 fps (40 fps max)
GTX 980 Ti: 29 fps (42 fps max)
AMD Radeon R9 Nano: 20 fps (34 fps max)

 

I currently await a card capable of pushing 4K at the good old 120FPS we were used to, back in the days of Windows 7 and Crysis 1.