Memory And CPU Overclocking and Questions

[Mistypro]

Hi guys,

 

Recently, i made my own PC for my self... and i wondering how can i overclock some of my part  and turns out i can do some overclocking but getting problems in overclocking the RAM (Memory)... 

Things that i overclock was my processor intel core i5 6600K= from 3.50 Ghz to 4.6 GHz with the voltages of 1.320 Volts...

and now im trying to overclock the memory (Corsair LPX DDR4 2*8Gb 3200MHz) i only got 2400MHz in default settings... So, i've been learning that i can overclock my memory to what the memory advertised (3200MHz) by doing X.M.P...

So the first thing i do was doing the CPU overclock and check if it is stable.... Turns out it is stable (Checking using AIDA 64...)  

 

And now im trying to overclock my RAM (Memory) by enabling X.M.P. So, when i enable X.M.P it gives me information that i want to put the MHz to 3200... then when i try to boot up (restart to apply the changes) it just BOOT LOOPING.... can anyone let me know what must i do or the problems in this case... i've done CMOS Clear to reset my BIOS but i dont know why it keeps BOOT LOOOOOPING when i enable X.M.P to overclock my memory, the clock timing and others is in Auto mode.

 

(ive checked the Code of the RAM using CPU-Z and it is 3200MHz model one..)

 

And wanted to ask some question xD:

1. I am overclocking my CPU but i wanted to know is there any difference in the life span by doing MORE overclocking? 

 

I mean now i actually using MSI Overclocking Mode and it only overclock the CPU until 4.1GHZ with 1.300Volts ... the thing that i want to ask is is there any difference in lifespan if i overclock until 4.6 GHz with the voltages of 1.320 Volts

AND Is it better to go with the 4.1GHz with 1.3 volts or the 4.6 GHz with 1.320 volts knowing its stability in AIDA 64 was good (The stability test i used is only 10 minutes xD)

 

2. I dont know should i stop overclock for some times and do it again and stop the overclock again and turn it off again or What i actually should do if i do overclocking?

 

I mean i do know overclocking will decrease the lifespan of my parts but i dont understand what should i do actually when im overclocking...  Should i stop if im not using it and overclock when i use it or what is the best way to keep the quality of the product (lifespan,etc-)

 

3.Thanks For the Reply and thanks for the advance... Have a nice Day =) 

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I got some info if needed lol... So i try to clear cmos that reset my OC of my CPU and i try to only OC the memory... And it works! But when i try to OC my CPU too the same problem like b4 occurred (boot looping)....  

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My Specs:
1. CPU= Intel Core i5 6600K
2. Motherboard= MSI Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon
3. CPU Cooler= Cryorig H7 
4. Memory= Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200Mhz DDR4 2*8Gb
5. Primary HD= Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250Gb
6. Secondary HD= Seagate internal HDD 2Tb
7. VGA= MSI NVIDIA GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G
8. PSU= Seasonic M12ll-520W
9. Case= Cooler Master CM690 III
10. Fans= 5* 120mm Corsair fans + 1*200mm Cooler Master fans
 

[Nord]

XMP is useless. Dont bother with it and so is overclocking RAM, unless you really want to spend that 5~ hours manualy OC'ing for maybe 1FPS gain.

 

What you want to do is not to overclock your RAM but rather set them to theyr advertised speeds, as normaly any BIOS will set the RAM MHZ speed to a speed that it is 100% certain to work. For DDR3 thats almost always 1333mhz for example.

 

According to the MSI side, your motherboard supports: "Supports DDR4-3600+(OC) Memory"

So 3200mhz are supported. I never used an MSI board but somewhere, usualy around the area where you overclock your CPU, there should be a category where you can change RAM CAS Latencys aswell as the RAM speed, set the speed to 3200MHZ, safe & reboot.

 

If for some reason the system refuses to boot, do the same again but choose the next lower MHZ option.

Also if you, for whatever reason, changed the BLCK (which XMP could have actually done by itself btw), set it back to default, this can also be the cause of the system not booting.

 

 

 

OC'ing +lifespan:
obviously it will decrease the lifespan, by how much is dependant on the average temperature and usage aswell as "luck".

If your CPU is idle, it does not really notice the OC, if its under load, rendering, gaming etc. it does.

Generaly speaking you will exchange the CPU long before OC'ing could potentionally cause any damage if we assume a life circle of around 3~ years, as long as you are operating under safe temperatures and dont stress it 24/7. Safe temperatures would be anything below 80°C~ on average, sometimes it will be hotter obviously but as long as its just sometimes, thats ok.

 

[Mistypro]

@Nord Thanks for the reply! im pretty sure got some thing from what u says  gonna try to do the memory overclock manually... lets hope it works  and what is the voltage must i used to OC the memory to 3200MHz.... in the adv it says 1.35 Volt...

[Nord]

do NOT EVER change the voltage on RAM, unless you know what you really are doing.

Leave the voltage, leave CAS, just change the MHZ to 3200.

[Mistypro]

24 minutes ago, Nord said:

do NOT EVER change the voltage on RAM, unless you know what you really are doing.

Leave the voltage, leave CAS, just change the MHZ to 3200.

@NordIve been trying the way...but it didnt work... And i found the probelms but i still dont know why... When i reset the cmos it reset everything that i made recently= OC'ing the CPU... So i tried not to OC the CPU and OC'ing the memory... And it works! But idk how to OC them both together... When i tried to OC the CPU too with the OC'ed memory same problems happend (boot looping...) any idea guys...

[Nord]

Assuming you are doing everything correctly its probably a too high CPU OC.

 

Set your ram to 3200mhz.

Set voltage to default and OC your CPU to 4GHZ (thats easily do-able w/o an voltage increase) and see if it works.

If it does work just start to slowly OC your CPU again, by like 100-200mhz steps and reboot after each OC until it does not work anymore.

 

OR

try with 2800mhz or w/e the next lowest mhz for your ram is and see if you can boot with your 4.6GHZ OC.

[T99]

I have an idea. Change your Bus Speed and lower your CPU Multiplier. That might work.

 

I overclocked mine to 4.79GHz at 1.308Vcore. ?

[Mistypro]

18 hours ago, Nord said:

Assuming you are doing everything correctly its probably a too high CPU OC.

 

Set your ram to 3200mhz.

Set voltage to default and OC your CPU to 4GHZ (thats easily do-able w/o an voltage increase) and see if it works.

If it does work just start to slowly OC your CPU again, by like 100-200mhz steps and reboot after each OC until it does not work anymore.

 

OR

try with 2800mhz or w/e the next lowest mhz for your ram is and see if you can boot with your 4.6GHZ OC.

I tried.... The step but this it keep boot looping...  idk when i overclock cpu i cant oc the ram... And if i oc rqm i cant oc cpu.... It keep boot looping so i need to reset cmos all the time... This what i do: 

[Nord]

I guess you could try to increase the "CPU Base Clock MHZ", and try if that helps, set it to 101 or 102 after you did everything as showen.

If you do that, lower your CPU-Ratio, by w/e you increase the base clock -> so lets say you  would have x46, and increase the base clock to 102, you'd set the ratio to x44.

Baseclock will overclock everything basically, so dont go too high on it (keep it at 105 or below, for testing now), as this is literally how you could break things.

 

If that also does not work, I dont know anymore.

To me it would appear you are doing everything correctly, however as said I never worked with an MSI board, so there is that..

[Imakuni]

On 7/20/2016 at 6:33 AM, Mistypro said:

I got some info if needed lol... So i try to clear cmos that reset my OC of my CPU and i try to only OC the memory... And it works! But when i try to OC my CPU too the same problem like b4 occurred (boot looping)....

Right... but can you do a lower OC on the CPU with XMP on? Sometimes, a CPU OC can cause a RAM OC to be unstable, and vice-versa. This could be the case here, you might not be able to handle 4.6 at 1.32v, but you might just get 4.5 or 4.4.

 

Try it and report back.

On 7/20/2016 at 6:33 AM, Mistypro said:

I am overclocking my CPU but i wanted to know is there any difference in the life span by doing MORE overclocking?

Heat kills electronics. So long as you can keep your thermals in check, your CPU is going to last for years to come. Usually, we call anything sub 1.35v to be trivial and not worth your worries.

On 7/20/2016 at 6:33 AM, Mistypro said:

I mean now i actually using MSI Overclocking Mode and it only overclock the CPU until 4.1GHZ with 1.300Volts ... the thing that i want to ask is is there any difference in lifespan if i overclock until 4.6 GHz with the voltages of 1.320 Volts

AND Is it better to go with the 4.1GHz with 1.3 volts or the 4.6 GHz with 1.320 volts knowing its stability in AIDA 64 was good (The stability test i used is only 10 minutes xD)

Don't use those Auto OC tools. Also, AIDA64 is pretty potato, fire the latest version of Prime95 to have an actual stress test. You can keep the highest OC you can get (mine stopped at 4.3/4.2ghz on the core/cache at a 1.296v, still tweaking bclk to try and push it a bit further).

On 7/20/2016 at 6:33 AM, Mistypro said:

I dont know should i stop overclock for some times and do it again and stop the overclock again and turn it off again or What i actually should do if i do overclocking?

Before I needed to shutdown my machine last night, I had mine running for 29 days straight on full load OCed (wish I could have kept it longer...). And as you can guess by me typing these very words, the machine still works.

 

You can keep your OC at all times just fine, don't sweat about it.

 

[Mistypro]

i found the answers to my prolems it just need some simple BIOS update thanks Guys