RX480 a letdown?

[atxcyclist]

2 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

yeah 1060 and AIB 480's will come out in a couple weeks, so options should be on the table then (but not necessarily in stock for long on either side).

I have the EVGA FTW version of the 750Ti, I might just try OCing it and seeing where I'm at. It won't solve the lack of ram, but I'm on a 1080p monitor anyway. It also won't quench my thirst for a better card, but just might tide me over long enough for something that will work to get out on the market. 

[Iron Knickers]

On 6/29/2016 at 3:03 PM, Flowey said:

Well with amount of review flowing a putting it at a r9390x level, I'm wondering if this thing is still a letdown versus the what AMD claimed. I mean, sure the drivers are practicly fetus like at this point, and I expect the card to end up performing like max a 980 with mature drivers and all. So, is the overall a letdown or I'm just a bitch?

 

Thanks for your time!

I don't think this card is a letdown at all. 

 

Once prices eventually fix themselves, we will see the 4GB rx 480 for $200. Eventually we will see this card playing at a more 980 level with mature drivers, as well as kicking butt in Dx 12 games. This card, as Linus said, is pretty much the new mid-level king. 

 

Frankly everyone thinks its a letdown since it compares to the 970, but before benchmarks came out this was the original assumption anyway, and the newest drivers aren't even out. 

 

Everyone keeps trying to compare this to the 1080 and 1070, but in reality polaris was always supposed to be the mid-level gpu, it is vega which is supposed to be the monster powerful card to beat the 1080 later this year.

 

The only thing that this card is a letdown on is the fact that it isn't as much of a technological leap as the 1080 was. 

[App4that]

19 hours ago, DXMember said:

i remember saying there was something wrong with the initial release build of the tool, because it was showing funny results - first of all it didn't do crossfire as promised, second of all it wasn't being detected as an actual 3D application by Radeon drivers so the card wasn't doing 100% utilization at full 3D clock speeds

Ah, but if it shows results you like everything must be OK. For a second there I thought we had another case of confirmation bias from team red.

[StormEye]

4 hours ago, Iron Knickers said:

Everyone keeps trying to compare this to the 1080 and 1070

AMD fanboys were the main culprit.

 

AMD did not help much either. In fact, they just put more fuel for hype train.

[YamiYukiSenpai]

Be thankful that it is, at the very least, just as good as the GTX 970 (which is still good card) for a more affordable price.

 

Can driver updates really give this a performance comparable to the GTX 980 & R9 390? Doubt it.  But that doesn't mean this card is no good.  You're getting great performance for <$300.

 

What are you expecting with a card like this?

[DXMember]

5 hours ago, App4that said:

Ah, but if it shows results you like everything must be OK. For a second there I thought we had another case of confirmation bias from team red.

yes, it shows results that I like, so everything is K (:

[App4that]

8 hours ago, DXMember said:

yes, it shows results that I like, so everything is K (:

 

 

 

 

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Overclocking-Current-Testing

[DXMember]

11 minutes ago, App4that said:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Overclocking-Current-Testing

1v1 me firestrike bro

[App4that]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

1v1 me firestrike bro

flavor? You want mild? Or Ultimate CHALLENGE?

[othertomperson]

It's not unreasonable to expect it to perform like a 980 though. The 480 is the fully enabled version of the gpu. This makes it the replacement for the 380X. It's not unreasonable to expect one generstion's x80X product to match the previous generation's x90X, which competed healthily with the 980. The fact that they haven't even got a tier's worth of performance increase over last generation, they haven't matched the performance per watt of the 970 despite being on a much smaller manufacturing process, and have raised the price of the x80 tier product over last generation makes the 480 a bad product imo. The saving grace of it is that Nvidia don't have a current gen product to compete at this tier.

 

This is before you even get to reports of the card bricking motherboards.

[KillDog]

You guys seriously got it all wrong.

It BEATS A CUSTOM, HIGHLY OC'ED 970, which is equal to a REFERENCE 980. How much of a gap is there between a 970 and a 980? So yes, it is as powerful as a 980, and as drivers mature, it will kick 980's butt.

 

But as always, the 1060 is yet to come, but from the leaks I've seen, it's vram is lower than the 480.

[App4that]

12 minutes ago, KillDog said:

You guys seriously got it all wrong.

It BEATS A CUSTOM, HIGHLY OC'ED 970, which is equal to a REFERENCE 980. How much of a gap is there between a 970 and a 980? So yes, it is as powerful as a 980, and as drivers mature, it will kick 980's butt.

 

But as always, the 1060 is yet to come, but from the leaks I've seen, it's vram is lower than the 480.

No, a seriously overclocked 970 is in the 1600's, please find a review where that is what's used. And that 970 matches a STOCK 980 at REFERENCE speeds. The 980 will leave the 970 in the dust when overclocked.

 

Fan less, facts more please.

[KillDog]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

No, a seriously overclocked 970 is in the 1600's, please find a review where that is what's used. And that 970 matches a STOCK 980 at REFERENCE speeds. The 980 will leave the 970 in the dust when overclocked.

 

Fan less, facts more please.

1500 is a decent OC too and I was talking about that, since Maxwell oc's like crazy(Reviewers mostly use the OC'ed 970, since reference 970 is practically unavailable. Most reviewers use MSI, Gigabyte G1, or EVGA). That 1500 970 beats the reference 980, you can check any review and when you OC both the 970 and 980 and compare them head to head, there is not a significant FPS difference.

[App4that]

1 hour ago, KillDog said:

1500 is a decent OC too and I was talking about that, since Maxwell oc's like crazy(Reviewers mostly use the OC'ed 970, since reference 970 is practically unavailable. Most reviewers use MSI, Gigabyte G1, or EVGA). That 1500 970 beats the reference 980, you can check any review and when you OC both the 970 and 980 and compare them head to head, there is not a significant FPS difference.

No  

 

Once you overclock the 980 it reaches reference 980ti performance, then you overclock the 980ti and again the higher card leaves the lower card in the dust.

 

 

 

[App4that]

1 hour ago, KillDog said:

1500 is a decent OC too and I was talking about that, since Maxwell oc's like crazy(Reviewers mostly use the OC'ed 970, since reference 970 is practically unavailable. Most reviewers use MSI, Gigabyte G1, or EVGA). That 1500 970 beats the reference 980, you can check any review and when you OC both the 970 and 980 and compare them head to head, there is not a significant FPS difference.

Oh, and your hard to find reference 970.

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-4gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-silver-black/9855169.p?id=1219441201895&skuId=9855169

 

[App4that]

And let's stick a fork in this. Gamer Nexus has one of the best overclocks with the 1080 using a hybrid cooler to remove thermal limits. They built a hybrid RX 480 to see how far it would overclock, couldn't even reach 1400MHz. Worse, it only beats a 970 clocked at the SAME speed by a frame. The Radeon RX 480 is a disappointment, period.

 

 

[Briggsy]

47 minutes ago, App4that said:

And let's stick a fork in this. Gamer Nexus has one of the best overclocks with the 1080 using a hybrid cooler to remove thermal limits. They built a hybrid RX 480 to see how far it would overclock, couldn't even reach 1400MHz. Worse, it only beats a 970 clocked at the SAME speed by a frame. The Radeon RX 480 is a disappointment, period.

 

 

I think the irony of all this, is the statements from AMD regarding intel and nvidia, and that AMD needs to exist to keep them honest. The only thing honest about the 480 launch was the price tag. Everything else was just marketing BS, especially the efficiency nonsense. People were trashing Kyle from HardOCP months ago for saying the 480 was a hot, power hungry card that would upset people at launch. Even I was skeptical of his claims, but turns out he was correct about the card at least.

[App4that]

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

I think the irony of all this, is the statements from AMD regarding intel and nvidia, and that AMD needs to exist to keep them honest. The only thing honest about the 480 launch was the price tag. Everything else was just marketing BS, especially the efficiency nonsense. People were trashing Kyle from HardOCP months ago for saying the 480 was a hot, power hungry card that would upset people at launch. Even I was skeptical of his claims, but turns out he was correct about the card at least.

Unfortunately even the price might be called into question once we see the pricing on the AIB examples. We don't need RGB on a budget graphics card, unless there performance isn't there so they have to find another reason for you to buy it.

[ivan134]

2 hours ago, Briggsy said:

I think the irony of all this, is the statements from AMD regarding intel and nvidia, and that AMD needs to exist to keep them honest. The only thing honest about the 480 launch was the price tag. Everything else was just marketing BS, especially the efficiency nonsense. People were trashing Kyle from HardOCP months ago for saying the 480 was a hot, power hungry card that would upset people at launch. Even I was skeptical of his claims, but turns out he was correct about the card at least.

People were trashing him because he was making shit up, and it turned out true. The card isn't power hungry unless you're counting the spikes as power hungry. How would he even know months ago how the card would turn out? Breaking News: Reference coolers are shit. More at 11!

[YongKang]

1 hour ago, App4that said:

Unfortunately even the price might be called into question once we see the pricing on the AIB examples. We don't need RGB on a budget graphics card, unless there performance isn't there so they have to find another reason for you to buy it.

Sapphire just announce that their model will be at the same price tag as the reference one.

[YongKang]

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

People were trashing him because he was making shit, and it turned out true. The card isn't power hungry unless you're counting the spikes as power hungry. How would he even know months ago how the card would turn out? Breaking News: Reference coolers are shit. More at 11!

WAit for AIB cards, lol. You only get a baseline with the reference model.

[Briggsy]

30 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

The card isn't power hungry unless you're counting the spikes as power hungry.

average 480 power draw is 3 watts lower than reference 1080 in typical gaming load.  That is pretty bad given you need two 480's to match a 1080. AMD should not have boasted for the past year about efficiency.

 

[Energycore]

To answer the question, you're just a bitch

 

Actually, It looked like most info we got about its performance was from unofficial leaks, and an overperforming card simply generates more clicks than an underperforming one.

 

Well played, videocardz, well played.

[ivan134]

28 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

average 480 power draw is 3 watts lower than reference 1080 in typical gaming load.  That is pretty bad given you need two 480's to match a 1080. AMD should not have boasted for the past year about efficiency.

 

No, that is normal for an architecture based on double precision, which you need for asynchronous compute. Double precision = higher power consumption. That is the exact reason Fermi ran so damn hot and consumed so much power. For people who still doubt whether double precision is useful in gaming, Total War: Warhammer has finally released their dx 12 patch. Pascal is better at asynchronous compute my ass. Can't wait to hear the excuses people come up with after people have accused Oxide, who worked more with Nvidia on AotS, of bias towards AMD. Watch Dogs 2 and BF1 are next.

 

[KillDog]

9 hours ago, App4that said:

No  

 

Once you overclock the 980 it reaches reference 980ti performance, then you overclock the 980ti and again the higher card leaves the lower card in the dust.

 

 

 

You do realize those OC'ed 980's cost more than the 480?(Only reference 980's cost the same as a 480, which it will beat fair and square). The only thing disappointing about the card would be it's power efficiency. Once the AIB cards release, it will OC better than any of AMD's previous cards.