Rx480 in crossfire ?

[WarriorAngel]

So im saving money for my next build and i`ve been thinking about buying a Rx 480 for the moment and in the future purchase another one when only one rx480 gets overwhelmed.

And i want to know if this build will work:

Motherboard : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130890 MSI B150M Mortar LGA 1151

CPU : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117563 Intel Core i5-6500 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.2 GHz 

GPU`s : 1x Rx 480 when i have the money and anotha` one when i wll need it

PSU : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139061 CORSAIR CS-M Series CS750M 750W 80 PLUS GOLD 

RAM : 1x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104530 HyperX FURY 8GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 

Case : I don`t think it matters since im gonna be chosing one that has enough room for 2 graphics cards obviously

HDD : 1 TB WD not important i think...

 

Anyway my question is : Would this build be ''viable" and ensure some futureproof ?

[ComradeVodka]

I would like to ask your total budget for everything excluding the GPU so i can maybe improve your build. As it stands though this looks fairly decent. While the motherboard is crossfire capable I'm not too sure about it, seems like too cheap of a motherboard (to me) to use in CF setups.

[Verseus]

I believe the only problem you will run into is the 6500. It honestly depends on the games you want to play. If you want to play the latest and greatest titles like "The Witcher 3" I'm afraid the 6500 will be overwhelmed. A 6600k paired with a z170 motherboard and a decent liquid cooler would put you in a much better place as you could overclock the 6600k for some extra performance. If you really want to future proof, save for a bit longer and pick up the 6700k. Overclock that sucker to 4.5 - 4.7 GHz, and you'll be good for years to come

[ComradeVodka]

Just now, Verseus said:

I'm afraid the 6500 will be overwhelmed.

If the 6500 will be overwhelmed, so will a 6600k unless you're talking a VERY high OC which a lot if not most people are not that comfortable with. If you're looking for more CPU power on a budget anyway I'd be looking at the Xeon E3-1231v3 rather than skylake

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

The motherboard supports crossifre but not sli so you are good

[WarriorAngel]

My budget for everything except the gpu would be like 700-750 Euro`s (i live in Romania btw so here the prices are more spicy)

As for the CPU i dont want an I7 cause i only want to play games at 1080p for the moment and not stream / render videos and editing.

And i dont want to overclock anything so... as i said only 1080p gaming at high settings on latest titles.

[Verseus]

1 minute ago, ComradeVodka said:

If the 6500 will be overwhelmed, so will a 6600k unless you're talking a VERY high OC which a lot if not most people are not that comfortable with. If you're looking for more CPU power on a budget anyway I'd be looking at the Xeon E3-1231v3 rather than skylake

A 6600k OC'd to 4.5 GHz (Not that difficult to obtain) would be much better than a 6500. Games these days need single core performance rather than more cores. Any more than 4 cores and 8 threads is useless in gaming. Just really depends on how much you want to spend. 

[Brad Rifkin]

It seems to me that you are a "budget" gamer.  I'm not trying to be offensive so forgive me if you are.

 

Anyways, CF and SLI are usually explored by gamers who spend more money.  They usually SLI or CF higher end cards.  This is for the sole purpose of many games not running right on CF and SLI cards.  Should that be the case, you will not use the benefit of your dual gpu.  Instead, you will see horrible performance because of your low end gpu.  You will definitely enjoy games optimized for multi gpu.  Again, those are so few in numbers.

 

I know DX12 is supposed to kick ass but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes feasible.  By then your $200 gpu will be a potato.

 

I would wait.

[GER_T4IGA]

2 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

It seems to me that you are a "budget" gamer.  I'm not trying to be offensive so forgive me if you are.

 

Anyways, CF and SLI are usually explored by gamers who spend more money.  They usually SLI or CF higher end cards.  This is for the sole purpose of many games not running right on CF and SLI cards.  Should that be the case, you will not use the benefit of your dual gpu.  Instead, you will see horrible performance because of your low end gpu.  You will definitely enjoy games optimized for multi gpu.  Again, those are so few in numbers.

 

I know DX12 is supposed to kick ass but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes feasible.  By then your $200 gpu will be a potato.

I don't agree at all.

[ComradeVodka]

1 minute ago, Verseus said:

Any more than 4 cores and 8 threads is useless in gaming. Just really depends on how much you want to spend. 

If you're implying the Xeon E3-1231v3 is more than 4 cores you're wrong, just saying :D. The Xeon E3-1231v3 is a 4C8T 3.4GHZ (3.8 Turbo iirc) without an iGPU. It's been dubbed the "poor man's I7" a few times but it's a fantastic CPU.

 

2 minutes ago, Verseus said:

A 6600k OC'd to 4.5 GHz (Not that difficult to obtain) would be much better than a 6500. Games these days need single core performance rather than more cores

Considering games are starting to use 8 threads properly these days and maxed out games like the witcher 3 can demand A LOT from your CPU I'd say they need both proper STP and more cores (but not to extremes like 8+ cores). And while it's true 4.5GHz is not that difficult to obtain, a lot of people simply aren't comfortable getting their CPU there simply because it requires messing in the bios (the oh my god what am i doing area for many) and tweaking of the voltage (the oh god won't this wreck my CPU setting)

[Brad Rifkin]

2 minutes ago, GER_T4IGA said:

I don't agree at all.

Your 1st amendment

[Verseus]

1 minute ago, Brad Rifkin said:

It seems to me that you are a "budget" gamer.  I'm not trying to be offensive so forgive me if you are.

 

Anyways, CF and SLI are usually explored by gamers who spend more money.  They usually SLI or CF higher end cards.  This is for the sole purpose of many games not running right on CF and SLI cards.  Should that be the case, you will not use the benefit of your dual gpu.  Instead, you will see horrible performance because of your low end gpu.  You will definitely enjoy games optimized for multi gpu.  Again, those are so few in numbers.

 

I know DX12 is supposed to kick ass but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes feasible.  By then your $200 gpu will be a potato.

Well, this last gen lasted for 2 years so not sure how "potato" they are tbh. The RX-480 is speculated to perform at near 980 levels regardless. DX12 may actually allow the card to stick around and be viable even longer than normal. DX 12 may be the proverbial "Shot in the arm" the gpu needs to stick around. 

[WarriorAngel]

6 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

It seems to me that you are a "budget" gamer.  I'm not trying to be offensive so forgive me if you are.

 

Anyways, CF and SLI are usually explored by gamers who spend more money.  They usually SLI or CF higher end cards.  This is for the sole purpose of many games not running right on CF and SLI cards.  Should that be the case, you will not use the benefit of your dual gpu.  Instead, you will see horrible performance because of your low end gpu.  You will definitely enjoy games optimized for multi gpu.  Again, those are so few in numbers.

 

I know DX12 is supposed to kick ass but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes feasible.  By then your $200 gpu will be a potato.

 

I would wait.

Yes i am a budget gamer and no offense taken.

I dont want to spend more than 1000 Euro`s on my build but at the same time i want to make sure that my build would last at least 5-7 years without changing the gpu so i thought adding another one instead of changing the already installed one would be a good idea,

[ComradeVodka]

3 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

Anyways, CF and SLI are usually explored by gamers who spend more money.  They usually SLI or CF higher end cards.

Not necessarily. A lot of people invest in a mid-range card (say the R9 270/280x when they were relevant) and pick up a used card of the same GPU later for relatively cheap increases in performance. It's usually only recommended for higher-end/flagship cards because you simply can't get more performance otherwise. There is nothing stronger than a 1080 at the moment for example so the only way to get more performance is to SLI them.

 

4 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

This is for the sole purpose of many games not running right on CF and SLI cards

Not true as I outlined above

 

5 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

Instead, you will see horrible performance because of your low end gpu.  You will definitely enjoy games optimized for multi gpu.  Again, those are so few in numbers.

1. The RX 480 is not be low end. Not by a long shot

2. Games that are good with SLI/CF are not as few as you're claiming

 

5 minutes ago, Brad Rifkin said:

I know DX12 is supposed to kick ass but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes feasible.  By then your $200 gpu will be a potato.

In 2-3 years the RX 480 will definitely NOT be a potato. You're kinda making a hyperbole here. While nobody really knows how long DX12 will take to be as widespread as DX11 is not I don't think it will take THAT long. Maybe 1.5-2 years but that's just guessing at this point

[Verseus]

1 minute ago, WarriorAngel said:

Yes i am a budget games and no offense taken.

I dont want to spend more than 1000 Euro`s on my build but at the same time i want to make sure that my build would last at least 5-7 years without changing the gpu so i thought adding another one instead of changing the already installed one would be a good idea,

5-7 years is pushing it if you want to stay current in the GPU department, but there are people still rocking i7-2600k's with no issues at all. The 6700k would last for years. GPU's tend to get outmoded faster. However, I believe even a single RX-480 would last for 3 years or so as long as you are not gaming in 4k. But of course, until the RX-480 comes out and is tested, it is all speculation

[ComradeVodka]

2 minutes ago, WarriorAngel said:

Yes i am a budget gamer and no offense taken.

I dont want to spend more than 1000 Euro`s on my build but at the same time i want to make sure that my build would last at least 5-7 years without changing the gpu so i thought adding another one instead of changing the already installed one would be a good idea,

5-7 years with 1000 euros without changing the GPU might be a bit optimistic if you want to keep up with the settings but if you have no qualms lowering the settings as more demanding games come out it's very feasible. I'll use $1000 as a reference in PCPP for an approximation and I'll try to make you a proper build. Note however it's generally recommended to get the strongest single GPU you can afford rather than CF/SLI lesser cards for the sheer guarantee of performance that SLI/CF simply cannot guarantee due to SLI/CF support and efficiency not being a given at the moment

[WarriorAngel]

6 minutes ago, ComradeVodka said:

Note however it's generally recommended to get the strongest single GPU you can afford

That`s exactly what im doing cause i don`t want to spend more then 250Euro`s on a single card.

And the Rx480 is possibly the strongest one in this range of price in my opinion.

But anyway i should wait till it`s gonna be realesed and tested in games not synthetic benchmarks or speculations.

Thanks to all of you for replying to this topic and have a nice day !

[ComradeVodka]

1 minute ago, WarriorAngel said:

That`s exactly what im doing cause i don`t want to spend more then 250Euro`s on a single card.

Right now I'm almost fitting a 1070 into your build which is stronger than an RX 480 (significantly stronger). However I'm still intrigued by AMD's claim of CF RX 480 > 1080 with 50 GPU utilization headroom...

[ComradeVodka]

2 minutes ago, WarriorAngel said:

That`s exactly what im doing cause i don`t want to spend more then 250Euro`s on a single card.

And the Rx480 is possibly the strongest one in this range of price in my opinion.

But anyway i should wait till it`s gonna be realesed and tested in games not synthetic benchmarks or speculations.

Thanks to all of you for replying to this topic and have a nice day !

You could fit a 1070 with just a little bit a budget stretching but I 100% agree that waiting for the release of the RX 480 with actual benchmarks is the most rational thing to do

[WarriorAngel]

We will see what amd has to bring to the table and then i`ll make up my mind.

[Verseus]

1 minute ago, ComradeVodka said:

You could fit a 1070 with just a little bit a budget stretching but I 100% agree that waiting for the release of the RX 480 with actual benchmarks is the most rational thing to do

2 minutes ago, ComradeVodka said:

Right now I'm almost fitting a 1070 into your build which is stronger than an RX 480 (significantly stronger). However I'm still intrigued by AMD's claim of CF RX 480 > 1080 with 50 GPU utilization headroom...

There is talk that because of the amazing efficiency of the RX-480, it may be OCable to nip at the 1070's heels. That though is pure and unbridled speculation  

[ComradeVodka]

Just now, Verseus said:

There is talk that because of the amazing efficiency of the RX-480, it may be OCable to nip at the 1070's heels. That though is pure and unbridled speculation  

I'd love to see that happen. Though I have a feeling that upon release that this will not even remotely be the case

[Verseus]

Do though be careful that you don't get such a nice GPU that your CPU can't keep up. Pretty sure a 6500 or even 6600k might bottle neck a 1070

[WarriorAngel]

Anyway back to the real facts , i noticed that the motherboard has 2x pci-e expres 3.0 but one is 16x and one is 4x. Will that effect in anyway dual-gpu config ?

[Brad Rifkin]

3 minutes ago, Verseus said:

There is talk that because of the amazing efficiency of the RX-480, it may be OCable to nip at the 1070's heels. That though is pure and unbridled speculation  

I highly doubt it.  From what we've seen, the 480 is right between the 390 & 390X's performance bracket while the 1070 is side by side with a Titan X.