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$2,100 Laptop?

BuckGup
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I sorta need laptop as a chrome book supplied to me from school can't exactly run programs and use it to code. They offer these other laptops but they weigh 8 pounds are thicker then a tree.The battery also dies in less then 2 hours and it has a horrible TN 1366X866 screen. Whatever that it. So I need a laptop that will last me until I graduate college. It sounds like a big task but 8 years is about the life span of a laptop I would say. I currently am using a 17inch Macbook pro from 2008 and it has held true for many years. But a dual core is just not cutting it for anything. So I am looking for something that is powerful, thin (nothing like a mac book though or zenbook), battery last 8+ hours, I can put an SSD in it, the screen is 15in+, and can have 8gb+ of RAM. I can spend $2.500 if I have to

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10 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

XPS 15 with the i7 and 16gb of ram? I love mine.

From the reviews I have been seeing it seems pretty beast. Can the 960M do any type of gaming? Also should I get the 4K screen? Also what is real battery life like?

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13 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

XPS 15 with the i7 and 16gb of ram? I love mine.

Also can I replace the hard drive with an SSD? Does it have M.2 support? Does it take normal RAM? Sorry for all the questions but it does truly look like a nice laptop. Also are they going to release a new one anytime soon?

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48 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Also can I replace the hard drive with an SSD? Does it have M.2 support? Does it take normal RAM? Sorry for all the questions but it does truly look like a nice laptop. Also are they going to release a new one anytime soon?

1) Yes you can. But there's only a few variants with a HDD in the first place. Its the low end XPS15s that have the HDD. These come with a smaller battery which I cannot recommend. I have the XPS15 1080p 16gb ram LARGE battery model. 

2) All have M2

3) Not it does not take normal ram. You need the laptop ram. Just google it. 

4) No they are not. The larger model 15 was released a few months ago. 

5) 960m can manage 1080p gaming at medium to low settings

6) Unless you NEEED 4k (photo/video editing) or touch screen, don't get it. It drains battery life. The 1080p screen is great.

7) There's two battery size models. The smaller one IDK. The bigger battery on a 1080p I get 6-7 hours of moderate use. (Lots of excel spreadsheets and modeling, I also undervolted the CPU by -120mv and the iGPU by -80mv)

 

It's pretty overpriced for what it does. If you don't need a GPU take a look at Thinkpad T series. @Dackzy The T460p (which is the only model I could use because I need the cores for number crunching) thermal throttles at default, but got a chance to play with undervolting and repasting and got it stable at a lower temp. The T series have WAAAAAAY better battery life (and you can get battery packs). 

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(Retired) Zbook 15: i7-6820HQ, M2000M, 32gb, 512gb SSD + 2tb HDD, 4k Dreamcolor

(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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1 hour ago, SamStrecker said:

From the reviews I have been seeing it seems pretty beast. Can the 960M do any type of gaming? Also should I get the 4K screen? Also what is real battery life like?

I went with the 1080p display because I use a lot of solidworks which does not support display scaling. Battery life with the 1080p display, the larger battery, and the i7 is upwards of 10+ hours depending on work load. The 4k display gives you touch as well as the higher resolution at the cost of battery life. The 4k models seem to have a battery life between 6 and 8 hours. As for gaming the 960m is a solid mid range card. Most games can be run at 1080 on medium settings (most demanding game I play is the Witcher 3 which gets 50+ fps at 1080p with a mix of medium and low settings and maintains temperatures in the low 70 C) and older titles (2013 or older) can be run at max settings.

1 hour ago, SamStrecker said:

Also can I replace the hard drive with an SSD? Does it have M.2 support? Does it take normal RAM? Sorry for all the questions but it does truly look like a nice laptop. Also are they going to release a new one anytime soon?

The higher spec models all come with a M.2 ssd (PCIE NVMe) and an 84 wHr battery. There are models that can be configured with a 2.5in HDD and a 52 wHr battery. Ram is standard SODIMMS (DDR3L I believe) and can be upgraded to 32gb using 16gb modules. The current model just came out in November and I would not expect to see and upgrade until Intel releases 45 Watt Quad Core versions of the 7th generation processors. Dell stuck with the GT750m for several generations before finally moving to the 960m last falll so I would not expect an update to a 10xxM graphics card anytime soon.

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1) Yes you can. But there's only a few variants with a HDD in the first place. Its the low end XPS15s that have the HDD. These come with a smaller battery which I cannot recommend. I have the XPS15 1080p 16gb ram LARGE battery model. 

2) All have M2

3) Not it does not take normal ram. You need the laptop ram. Just google it. 

4) No they are not. The larger model 15 was released a few months ago. 

5) 960m can manage 1080p gaming at medium to low settings

6) Unless you NEEED 4k (photo/video editing) or touch screen, don't get it. It drains battery life. The 1080p screen is great.

7) There's two battery size models. The smaller one IDK. The bigger battery on a 1080p I get 6-7 hours of moderate use. (Lots of excel spreadsheets and modeling, I also undervolted the CPU by -120mv and the iGPU by -80mv)

 

It's pretty overpriced for what it does. If you don't need a GPU take a look at Thinkpad T series. @Dackzy The T460p (which is the only model I could use because I need the cores for number crunching) thermal throttles at default, but got a chance to play with undervolting and repasting and got it stable at a lower temp. The T series have WAAAAAAY better battery life (and you can get battery packs). 

Yeah??? why did you summon me?

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LOL just thought you would continue your advocation for Thinkpads. But srs, the T460p is great if you were still looking for a laptop (and for OP too). 

 

@Squirrel724, howd you get your XPS15 to work for 10 hours and what is your workload?

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(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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1) Yes you can. But there's only a few variants with a HDD in the first place. Its the low end XPS15s that have the HDD. These come with a smaller battery which I cannot recommend. I have the XPS15 1080p 16gb ram LARGE battery model. 

2) All have M2

3) Not it does not take normal ram. You need the laptop ram. Just google it. 

4) No they are not. The larger model 15 was released a few months ago. 

5) 960m can manage 1080p gaming at medium to low settings

6) Unless you NEEED 4k (photo/video editing) or touch screen, don't get it. It drains battery life. The 1080p screen is great.

7) There's two battery size models. The smaller one IDK. The bigger battery on a 1080p I get 6-7 hours of moderate use. (Lots of excel spreadsheets and modeling, I also undervolted the CPU by -120mv and the iGPU by -80mv)

 

It's pretty overpriced for what it does. If you don't need a GPU take a look at Thinkpad T series. @Dackzy The T460p (which is the only model I could use because I need the cores for number crunching) thermal throttles at default, but got a chance to play with undervolting and repasting and got it stable at a lower temp. The T series have WAAAAAAY better battery life (and you can get battery packs). 

How does the 940MX compare to the 960M?

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

How does the 940MX compare to the 960M?

The 960m is a lot faster and I mean a LOT.

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My main Headphones and IEMs:  K612 pro, HD 25 and Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor, HD 580 with HD 600 grills

DAC and AMP: RME ADI 2 DAC

Speakers: Genelec 8040, System Audio SA205

Receiver: Denon AVR-1612

Desktop: R7 1700, GTX 1080  RX 580 8GB and other stuff

Laptop: ThinkPad P50: i7 6820HQ, M2000M. ThinkPad T420s: i7 2640M, NVS 4200M

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2 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

The 960m is a lot faster and I mean a LOT.

Alright

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10 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

LOL just thought you would continue your advocation for Thinkpads. But srs, the T460p is great if you were still looking for a laptop (and for OP too). 

 

@Squirrel724, howd you get your XPS15 to work for 10 hours and what is your workload?

Okay I can explain a little more nothing to complex.

 

Okay let's go, we all know that Thinkpads are the kings of build quality and can only be beating by laptops like the Toughbook. A ThinkPad is build so the parts inside of it takes as little damage as possible and is build like a tank, I once droped my T420s (full plastic body) from 8m height because some idiot pushed to me and only a little corner broke off nothing else was wrong with it after that. You can spill water on the keyboard and it will run though via some channels(I still don't advice you to do it). The T series are the highest quality series A Mac would look like a cheap toy if you compare build quality and if something breaks you can always find parts for it since it is a business laptop. The keyboard is the best you can get on a laptop the next step up would be a mech keyboard. The support you get from Lenovo when you buy a ThinkPad is insanely good and I mean it, they don't bs around. They are also made so if something breaks it will be easy to fix, so the down time is as short as possible, because that can mean a lot in the business would.

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1 hour ago, Dackzy said:

They are also made so if something breaks it will be easy to fix, so the down time is as short as possible, because that can mean a lot in the business would.

Apple's Genius Bar give you a time range of 3-5 days when you ask for a repair time range on the Macbook Pro (for the HDMI connector) which is completely useless in the business world.

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2 hours ago, Pendragon said:

LOL just thought you would continue your advocation for Thinkpads. But srs, the T460p is great if you were still looking for a laptop (and for OP too). 

 

@Squirrel724, howd you get your XPS15 to work for 10 hours and what is your workload?

Writing papers for college in word and using itunes to play music with the brightness set to arround 20%. Most of the time I see 9-10. I find that my biggest power suck is Chrome which will use the 960m even when I have it set to only use the integrated graphics. When the 960m kicks in (I have it set to run programs such as solidworks on the dedicated graphics) you can expect about 6-7 hours of battery life.

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From the reviews I have been seeing it seems pretty beast. Can the 960M do any type of gaming? Also should I get the 4K screen? Also what is real battery life like?

If you plan on gaming, do not get any laptop with a 4k display. Even those crazy laptops with desktop grade gpus and CPUs can't run games at 4K. Although many of the systems with 4K displays can switch between 1080p and 4K, unless you are someone that watches a lot of 4K video I would suggest saving the money that you would spend on a 4K display. I would also suggest you get something thin and light, I have 2 brothers in college, and both said that the people they know that carry around big having gaming laptops really regret it. I use an xps 13 from  a few years ago, and that works great. Do you have a desktop rig? If you don't then definantly do that first. I am in the same boat as you, I am in high school now with a school chrome book, and i can tell you they I have hadly touched my laptop since getting my chrome book. Btw, if your chrome books battery only lastso for 2 hours, something is wrong. My chrome book lasts a 8 hour school day plus 4 hours of homework while still having 60% battery left. 

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eGPUs are like VR. For the rich and adventurous. TB3's 40gbs per second isn't enough bandwidth. Considering that you would take up bandwidth sending the signal back to the laptop screen if you played on your laptop. And yea, right now is not the best time to upgrade given that both Pascal and Polaris were just launched. 

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28 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

eGPUs are like VR. For the rich and adventurous. TB3's 40gbs per second isn't enough bandwidth. Considering that you would take up bandwidth sending the signal back to the laptop screen if you played on your laptop. And yea, right now is not the best time to upgrade given that both Pascal and Polaris were just launched. 

I don't think it's true. Comparison tests between different PCIe links have shown that you don't really need much and it's get better and better as efficiency of data transfer gets better (why does the GTX 1080 needs only a 256-bit memory bus while the GTX 980 Ti needed 384, while performing considerably less?)

 

And eGPUs are far far more cost effective. Forget about the Razer overpriced crap. Refurbished Alienware Amplifier costs around $150-$200 tops with the PSU and that's now, when there is no real competition and no standard and open solution. This is not a special machine and with a standardized solution like a TB3 that will be also supported well by OSs, it will get even better. 

The problem is availability and pricing and we'll have to wait and see how it goes. I don't think it's smart to go with a $2100 laptop right now.

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eGPUs are like VR. For the rich and adventurous. TB3's 40gbs per second isn't enough bandwidth. Considering that you would take up bandwidth sending the signal back to the laptop screen if you played on your laptop. And yea, right now is not the best time to upgrade given that both Pascal and Polaris were just launched. 

Yeah I will just wait

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26 minutes ago, junky said:

I don't think it's true. Comparison tests between different PCIe links have shown that you don't really need much and it's get better and better as efficiency of data transfer gets better (why does the GTX 1080 needs only a 256-bit memory bus while the GTX 980 Ti needed 384, while performing considerably less?)

 

And eGPUs are far far more cost effective. Forget about the Razer overpriced crap. Refurbished Alienware Amplifier costs around $150-$200 tops with the PSU and that's now, when there is no real competition and no standard and open solution. This is not a special machine and with a standardized solution like a TB3 that will be also supported well by OSs, it will get even better. 

The problem is availability and pricing and we'll have to wait and see how it goes. I don't think it's smart to go with a $2100 laptop right now.

1) 980ti vs 1080 is not a huge difference. 5-10% on average across the board. Which is pathetically poor considering 2 die shrinks. 

2) TB3 is not PCIe

3) TB3 is 40 gbps half of a modern day PCIe 3.0 8x slot bandwidth

4) TB3 is not fully saturated by the eGPU as the returning video signal takes up considerable bandwidth in additional to any external peripherals that are plugged in 

 

d2ultima does a good job explaining why current eGPU solutions are still subpar. 

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6 hours ago, Pendragon said:

1) 980ti vs 1080 is not a huge difference. 5-10% on average across the board. Which is pathetically poor considering 2 die shrinks. 

2) TB3 is not PCIe

3) TB3 is 40 gbps half of a modern day PCIe 3.0 8x slot bandwidth

4) TB3 is not fully saturated by the eGPU as the returning video signal takes up considerable bandwidth in additional to any external peripherals that are plugged in 

 

d2ultima does a good job explaining why current eGPU solutions are still subpar. 

1. Where do you see it? 1, 2, 3 + DX12/Vulkan advantage

2. No one said it is. It does pass PCIe v.3 x4 signal.

3. Performance scaling with GTX 980 - link. Difference, when exists, is not that big and as new NV stuff is more efficient with memory bandwidth, you'll have less problems. 

4. That's true, only TB3 has a bi-directional DP functionality, which means you won't use your PCIe lanes for the returning video signal, but the DP (I guess)

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16 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

I sorta need laptop as a chrome book supplied to me from school can't exactly run programs and use it to code. They offer these other laptops but they weigh 8 pounds are thicker then a tree.The battery also dies in less then 2 hours and it has a horrible TN 1366X866 screen. Whatever that it. So I need a laptop that will last me until I graduate college. It sounds like a big task but 8 years is about the life span of a laptop I would say. I currently am using a 17inch Macbook pro from 2008 and it has held true for many years. But a dual core is just not cutting it for anything. So I am looking for something that is powerful, thin (nothing like a mac book though or zenbook), battery last 8+ hours, I can put an SSD in it, the screen is 15in+, and can have 8gb+ of RAM. I can spend $2.500 if I have to

WOW! That budget is huge! Anyway if you are looking for something thin and for decent gaming I would recommend an Msi ghost pro. 16gb ram 15" 4k 128gb - 500gb ssd.

Or an acer nitro but when you are gaming on it the cpu and gpu get to like 80 C so it can be a frying pan at school as well !!!

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16 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

I sorta need laptop as a chrome book supplied to me from school can't exactly run programs and use it to code. They offer these other laptops but they weigh 8 pounds are thicker then a tree.The battery also dies in less then 2 hours and it has a horrible TN 1366X866 screen. Whatever that it. So I need a laptop that will last me until I graduate college. It sounds like a big task but 8 years is about the life span of a laptop I would say. I currently am using a 17inch Macbook pro from 2008 and it has held true for many years. But a dual core is just not cutting it for anything. So I am looking for something that is powerful, thin (nothing like a mac book though or zenbook), battery last 8+ hours, I can put an SSD in it, the screen is 15in+, and can have 8gb+ of RAM. I can spend $2.500 if I have to

WOW! That budget is huge! Anyway if you are looking for something thin and for decent gaming I would recommend an Msi ghost pro. 16gb ram 15" 4k 128gb - 500gb ssd.

Or an acer nitro but when you are gaming on it the cpu and gpu get to like 80 C so it can be a frying pan at school as well !!!

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15 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Also can I replace the hard drive with an SSD? Does it have M.2 support? Does it take normal RAM? Sorry for all the questions but it does truly look like a nice laptop. Also are they going to release a new one anytime soon?

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?3x_page=1&filterCollapsed=true

they have ssds?

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