Overclocking FX-8300 in prebuilt system.

[JoaKimzen]

Hello!

 

I need some help with my prebuilt system (Don't hate me)

I don't know if my specs matter but i have an ASUS M51BC computer. I want to overclock my CPU (FX-8300) but i'm afraid that my PC is going to get too hot, or that i simply don't have a good enough PSU. Here is the full spec-list:

EVGA GTX 960 4GB (Upgraded from an ASUS Radeon 7770)

AMD FX-8300

8GB of DDR3 RAM in single channel.

500W Delta PSU

 

Here is a picture of the case: https://www.google.no/search?q=Asus+m51bc&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=989&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW3uqon-7MAhXEJSwKHRbLBygQ_AUIBigB#imgdii=SioPlQLXopHk-M%3A%3BSioPlQLXopHk-M%3A%3BW0ZH1cASqwx2jM%3A&imgrc=SioPlQLXopHk-M%3A

Temps right now: (Open Hardware Monitor)

Temperature #1=56°C

Temperature #2=46°C

Core 1-8=56,5-56,8°C

 

I have no idea if this is enough, but can someone tell me if it's a good idea to overclock my CPU or not?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[Nena Trinity]

Umm the FX-8300 has the worst binning of all FX CPUs so you wont reach any great OCs but you can try... What is the name of the motherboard?

[Alexzz_]

Judging by the temps you should be safe to do a medium overclock. But remember that some boards dont support overclocking and can be damaged if you push them too hard

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, Alexzz_ said:

Judging by the temps you should be safe to do a medium overclock. But remember that some boards dont support overclocking and can be damaged if you push them too hard

This is why I asked what board he have!

[tbake0155]

I can't seem to find what motherboard your system uses.  The CPU is a 125 watt CPU at stock clocks (that's probably conservatively low) and the GPU has a 120 watt tdp.  So in theory your power supply is good enough, but if you crank the CPU's frequency you are going to get a lot closer or over 200 watts from the CPU alone.  That will push you above 300 watts with just your CPU and GPU.  Technically that will OK if your PSU can actually deliver a constant 500 watts.

 

If you can let us know exactly what motherboard you have.  Does it support overclocking?  If you keep an eye on the temperatures you can just try bumping the multiplier and see what the temps do.

 

 

[JoaKimzen]

5 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

This is why I asked what board he have!

Yeah, forgot about that. The only problem is... i don't really know. I have searched for overclocking guides and stuff like that on google, and people always say that the name of the motherboard is: M51BC.

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, JoaKimzen said:

Yeah, forgot about that. The only problem is... i don't really know. I have searched for overclocking guides and stuff like that on google, and people always say that the name of the motherboard is: M51BC.

No that is the name of the computer...

[JoaKimzen]

8 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

I can't seem to find what motherboard your system uses.  The CPU is a 125 watt CPU at stock clocks (that's probably conservatively low) and the GPU has a 120 watt tdp.  So in theory your power supply is good enough, but if you crank the CPU's frequency you are going to get a lot closer or over 200 watts from the CPU alone.  That will push you above 300 watts with just your CPU and GPU.  Technically that will OK if your PSU can actually deliver a constant 500 watts.

 

If you can let us know exactly what motherboard you have.  Does it support overclocking?  If you keep an eye on the temperatures you can just try bumping the multiplier and see what the temps do.

 

 

All i can find is this: Asus part number: 90PA05B0-M0XXN  Manufacturer's model number: M5A97 EVO2

[JoaKimzen]

9 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

I can't seem to find what motherboard your system uses.  The CPU is a 125 watt CPU at stock clocks (that's probably conservatively low) and the GPU has a 120 watt tdp.  So in theory your power supply is good enough, but if you crank the CPU's frequency you are going to get a lot closer or over 200 watts from the CPU alone.  That will push you above 300 watts with just your CPU and GPU.  Technically that will OK if your PSU can actually deliver a constant 500 watts.

 

If you can let us know exactly what motherboard you have.  Does it support overclocking?  If you keep an eye on the temperatures you can just try bumping the multiplier and see what the temps do.

 

 

All i can find is this:  Asus Part Number: 90PA05B0-M0XXN0 Manufacturer's Model Number: M5A97 EVO2

[JoaKimzen]

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

That would be this...https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_EVO/

I found that one as well, but it said EVO 2.0 or something

[Nena Trinity]

3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

That would be this...https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_EVO/  @Nena360

6+2 should be able to handle OCing but do not push it past 4.5Ghz if you are lucky and get that far hehe but its unlikely with FX-8300...

 

FX:

*The 9590 9370 and 8370 are all the same bin. None of them is going be a bad chip and all should do 5Ghz on 1.55V or less volts.

*FX 8350 8320 these are also the same bin. These are really hit and miss. You can find some great 8350s and 8320s but they aren't consistent. Typically you can expect 4.8Ghz on 1.5V from these and 5Ghz at around 1.6V but again these have some pretty major variance.

*FX 8300. This is the worst 8 core bin there is. None of these are good.

 

[tbake0155]

If that is in fact the motherboard (M5A97 EVO2), it appears to have a beefy VRM cooler.  It does not explicitly state anywhere that I can find the specifics of the VRM, but from appearance alone I don't think the VRM will overheat and catch fire if you do a little overclock.

 

The board does seem to allow overclocking.  You can try it, why not, but be mindful you are not going to get insane overclocks.  If you upgrade to an aftermarket cooler you might give yourself a little headroom too but I wouldn't invest too much in a cooler unless you plan to keep the system for a while.

[JoaKimzen]

7 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

If that is in fact the motherboard (M5A97 EVO2), it appears to have a beefy VRM cooler.  It does not explicitly state anywhere that I can find the specifics of the VRM, but from appearance alone I don't think the VRM will overheat and catch fire if you do a little overclock.

 

The board does seem to allow overclocking.  You can try it, why not, but be mindful you are not going to get insane overclocks.  If you upgrade to an aftermarket cooler you might give yourself a little headroom too but I wouldn't invest too much in a cooler unless you plan to keep the system for a while.

Yeah, idk if i want to upgrade just yet. Maybe i should just wait and overclock when i have upgraded to a better CPU cooler.

[tbake0155]

I'm not sure how much I buy into binning... Also I'd like to test if the CPUs really all draw 125 watts at their advertised clocks.  For example the 8300, 8320 and 8350 are all listed as 125 watts of  thermal dissipation needed, yet the clocks range almost a whole GHz. I bet the stock 8350 is drawing a lot more wattage than a stock 8320 under full load.

 

Maybe I will keep my 990fx board so I can buy a bunch of 8XXX chips when they get stupid cheap and see if there is really so much variance!  But I doubt I will

 

[JoaKimzen]

Thanks for the help guys! This is probably off topic but i was doing some research on my mobo, and i found this: http://www.amazon.com/90PA05B0-M0XXN0-Asus-Desktop-Motherboard-M51BC-08/dp/B017O1STYG I have actually never used Amazon, but what the hell... The prices can't be right!?

[tbake0155]

2 minutes ago, JoaKimzen said:

Yeah, idk if i want to upgrade just yet. Maybe i should just wait and overclock when i have upgraded to a better CPU cooler.

It won't hurt to bump the multiplier one time to see how things react. The stock cooler is really loud more than it's completely useless.  It's the same cooler as the 8350 at 4.0 GHz, although I never actually used a stock FX cooler so I can't say how it performs.

It's not a bad idea to get a better cooler so you can try your luck with overclocking, if that's what you want to do.

 

[tbake0155]

2 minutes ago, JoaKimzen said:

Thanks for the help guys! This is probably off topic but i was doing some research on my mobo, and i found this: http://www.amazon.com/90PA05B0-M0XXN0-Asus-Desktop-Motherboard-M51BC-08/dp/B017O1STYG I have actually never used Amazon, but what the hell... The prices can't be right!?

Is that the same as your board? That is different than the rev 2.0 which seems to have a much beefier VRM cooler.

 

Also, that price is insane!!! You can get the most expensive 990 fx board for that much so that's probably because it's an OEM part.

[JoaKimzen]

7 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

It won't hurt to bump the multiplier one time to see how things react. The stock cooler is really loud more than it's completely useless.  It's the same cooler as the 8350 at 4.0 GHz, although I never actually used a stock FX cooler so I can't say how it performs.

It's not a bad idea to get a better cooler so you can try your luck with overclocking, if that's what you want to do.

 

No, i think it is the wrong one  But the one i have is still 161$ on Amazon, still too much in my eyes.

[JoaKimzen]

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Those are just random prices when something is old or doesn't sell.  http://www.amazon.com/Asus-90-MIBJJ0-G0EAY0MZ-M5A97-EVO-Mainboard/dp/B008RPZ5H8 is what you have, but ya...even that's too much.  

Whoops

[tbake0155]

@JoaKimzen

 

Possibly because it's an OEM proprietary board, can't say for sure though.  That does seem high to me as well.

 

The ASUS sabertooth 990fx goes for around $170 and it's about as good as it gets for the AM3+ socket, although the crosshair formula board costs quite a bit more.

[JoaKimzen]

6 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

OP, open your case and see which of the two it matches...

Yeah, i'll just open my case and take a look at the mobo later. Hopefully i can overclock a bit with a new cooler

 

[JoaKimzen]

8 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

@JoaKimzen

 

Possibly because it's an OEM proprietary board, can't say for sure though.  That does seem high to me as well.

 

The ASUS sabertooth 990fx goes for around $170 and it's about as good as it gets for the AM3+ socket, although the crosshair formula board costs quite a bit more.

I'm not gonna pay 150$ for a new cooling solution, but i was suprised that they were this cheap 

[tbake0155]

8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I sold off a 9370 and the 990fx mobo.  That thing was stable on 4.9 during cooler seasons and 4.8 on hotter.  The 8300 can OC, but it needs a beefy air or watercooler and a nice VRM cooler too.  I mean the VRM cooler is pretty beefy on their board, but the stock cooler is crap.  Honestly, they could probably do a small OC on an Aidos Black or 212 evo.

I only have experience with one 8350 chip, but I think it must be a decent overclocker.  I bought it after the 9590 was released too, which is part of what makes me skeptical about binning.  My chip will do 5.0 GHz at less than 1.55 Volts and it will do 4.8 at less than 1.51 Volts.  I like to use extreme LLC so for example at 4.8 I will set the voltage to 1.48 and it will go up to 1.52 or so under full load. I could dial it in more precisely.

5.22 GHz requires 1.55 Volts and extreme LLC which gets up to almost 1.6 volts under load.

 

I tried to see how high I can push this thing.  I have a massively overkill custom loop.  5.22 GHz is not thermally stable but it boots and will run benchmarks.   5.0 GHz seems rock solid for me but I'm running 4.85 right now just because it's plenty of powah and I prefer my voltage closer to 1.5 than 1.6!

[JoaKimzen]

6 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

I only have experience with one 8350 chip, but I think it must be a decent overclocker.  I bought it after the 9590 was released too, which is part of what makes me skeptical about binning.  My chip will do 5.0 GHz at less than 1.55 Volts and it will do 4.8 at less than 1.51 Volts.  I like to use extreme LLC so for example at 4.8 I will set the voltage to 1.48 and it will go up to 1.52 or so under full load. I could dial it in more precisely.

5.22 GHz requires 1.55 Volts and extreme LLC which gets up to almost 1.6 volts under load.

 

I tried to see how high I can push this thing.  I have a massively overkill custom loop.  5.22 GHz is not thermally stable but it boots and will run benchmarks.   5.0 GHz seems rock solid for me but I'm running 4.85 right now just because it's plenty of powah and I prefer my voltage closer to 1.5 than 1.6!

 

[tbake0155]

5 minutes ago, JoaKimzen said:

I'm not gonna pay 150$ for a new cooling solution, but i was suprised that they were this cheap 

 

I think 4.0 GHz is easily attainable for you with a much cheaper cooling solution than $150.  I think that would be about a top of the line cooler.

 

One thing to keep in mind about coolers is they are a more permanent investment than a CPU.  If you get a good cooler you can continue to reuse it on your next build.  Even if it's a mediocre cooler it will be better than any stock cooler (except maybe the new wraith cooler !).