Upgrading/Essentially new build

[WigglesTheHoly]

Ok so I've been running my current cpu/ram/mobo combo for about 7 years now. It's time to step up. I'm currently running an i5 lynfield overclocked to 3.9 16gb ram and an asus p7p55d mobo. I'm looking at the i7-5820k haswell 6 core 3.3 ghz for a cpu and probably start back at 16gb of ram and move up from there if needed. Now the place where I'm running into debate is the motherboard. I've always liked Asus, their oc tools, their look, their performance/value/reliability. With that said I'm seeing alot of bad reviews for some of the x99 asus motherboards. Any recommendations from the group? I really don't care for crazy colors on my motherboards, I like muted motherboards if anything white or blue accents would look good. I'll be looking to change out my cooler as well as I'm running an h100 corsair. Thanks in advance. 

 

-Wiggles

[Imakuni]

Question: what is that PC for? Because if the answer is "gaming", you are better off with a 6700k rather than a 5820k.

[WigglesTheHoly]

1 minute ago, Imakuni said:

Question: what is that PC for? Because if the answer is "gaming", you are better off with a 6700k rather than a 5820k.

Moderate gaming (ie: Rocket League, Battleborn, some military RTS), graphics editing, some video editing. Running a gtx 960 currently, and I plan on moving that over for now.

 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

Ok so I've been running my current cpu/ram/mobo combo for about 7 years now. It's time to step up. I'm currently running an i5 lynfield overclocked to 3.9 16gb ram and an asus p7p55d mobo. I'm looking at the i7-5820k haswell 6 core 3.3 ghz for a cpu and probably start back at 16gb of ram and move up from there if needed. Now the place where I'm running into debate is the motherboard. I've always liked Asus, their oc tools, their look, their performance/value/reliability. With that said I'm seeing alot of bad reviews for some of the x99 asus motherboards. Any recommendations from the group? I really don't care for crazy colors on my motherboards, I like muted motherboards if anything white or blue accents would look good. I'll be looking to change out my cooler as well as I'm running an h100 corsair. Thanks in advance. 

 

-Wiggles

 

I'm using an Asus x99 Deluxe/U 3.1 and it's been flawless.  The x99 Deluxe II has just been released with a few more features, but the outside of the additional features, the board is identical.  Make sure that if you are going to stick with 16gb as a starting point that you go with 4 sticks for 4gb so that you take advantage of the quad channel.  You'll still have 4 remaining DIMM slots for expansion.

 

Also, it sounds like what you're looking for thanks to it having a white and black theme.

[WigglesTheHoly]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

I'm using an Asus x99 Deluxe/U 3.1 and it's been flawless.  The x99 Deluxe II has just been released with a few more features, but the outside of the additional features, the board is identical.  Make sure that if you are going to stick with 16gb as a starting point that you go with 4 sticks for 4gb so that you take advantage of the quad channel.  You'll still have 4 remaining DIMM slots for expansion.

Of course on the ram, I will take a look at that board. Thanks!

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

Of course on the ram, I will take a look at that board. Thanks!

 

I'd highly recommend the TridentZ 3200 c14 kit because it uses the newer Samsung B-die, but it's only available in 32 and 64GB kits I think.  You'll learn that x99 likes to be finicky with memory, but when you get it right, quad channel performance is remarkable.  

[WigglesTheHoly]

So back to the comment from Imakuni  why would I be better off with the 6700k? Isn't the performance bump from the 6 cores and multithreads be worth the 40 dollars in price difference, or am I over looking something?

[Energycore]

Just now, WigglesTheHoly said:

So back to the comment from Imakuni  why would I be better off with the 6700k? Isn't the performance bump from the 6 cores and multithreads be worth the 40 dollars in price difference, or am I over looking something?

Games are not programmed to utilize 12 threads (except a couple of them) so you'd literally have 2 cores inactive while gaming on a 5820K.

 

If you were streaming, then those cores would be handling the video encoding in real time, giving you a tangible performance increase.

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

So back to the comment from Imakuni  why would I be better off with the 6700k? Isn't the performance bump from the 6 cores and multithreads be worth the 40 dollars in price difference, or am I over looking something?

 

On the gaming side you'll take an very slight loss with the 5820 clock for clock.  On the productivity side (the editing you mentioned), you'll gain quite a bit over the 6700k.

[WigglesTheHoly]

6 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Games are not programmed to utilize 12 threads (except a couple of them) so you'd literally have 2 cores inactive while gaming on a 5820K.

 

If you were streaming, then those cores would be handling the video encoding in real time, giving you a tangible performance increase.

I guess I'm torn on that fact, I have been reading about the x99 being extremely picky about it's ram, the 6700k would clock faster in a more general gaming setting, Over all it will all rip past my current rig. I guess the next question is how long is support for the 2 different processor sockets going to be around?

[WigglesTheHoly]

Don't get me wrong I love my overclock i5 it spanks right along, but I'm starting to notice some early signs that it's showing it's age. It will make someone else on craigslist a great inexpensive gaming starter. 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

I guess I'm torn on that fact, I have been reading about the x99 being extremely picky about it's ram, the 6700k would clock faster in a more general gaming setting, Over all it will all rip past my current rig. I guess the next question is how long is support for the 2 different processor platforms going to be around?

 

A good while for both.  x99 is about to receive Broadwell-E and Skylake's 1151 will continue on as well.

 

Honestly if you aren't too familiar with x99, I encourage you to go with Skylake.  x99 is insanely powerful in the right hands, but too many people don't take the time to learn what they need to learn resulting in substandard performance.

[WigglesTheHoly]

IT guy by trade, but a busy as hell IT guy so I think you are probably right done12many2. So now the question comes, mobo recommendations? THE CYCLE CONTINUES!

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

IT guy by trade, but a busy as hell IT guy so I think you are probably right done12many2. So now the question comes, mobo recommendations? THE CYCLE CONTINUES!

 

I defer to the Skylake experts on that.

 

I myself am about to do a Skylake for my backup PC to replace my 4790k build.  I plan to use something like the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming G1 because the VRM water blocks are built in and it has dual M.2 slots.  It's $500+ so not exactly cheap. 

[WigglesTheHoly]

I'm liking this board but I wish it didn't have the wifi component, I could also do without the silly onboard led lighting stuff, The 2 lan ports I like. The asus overclocking tools are nice too would make it easy to get everything up and going and overclocked. 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

I'm liking this board but I wish it didn't have the wifi component, I could also do without the silly onboard led lighting stuff, The 2 lan ports I like. The asus overclocking tools are nice too would make it easy to get everything up and going and overclocked. 

 

Too be honest, any on-board overclocking is worthless.  You're much better off with manually setting it up.  On-board is notorious for running excessive voltage through chips in attempts to improve stability.

 

Agreed on the wifi, RGB crap.  Not needed by me either, but it just happens to come with the boards.  Seems like standard stuff for the top boards recently.  I have had on-board wifi come in handy from time to time, but definitely a convenience thing that is not needed. 

[WigglesTheHoly]

Giving this board the stare down as well, asus Z170-ws looks like it can be had for 141.57 at newegg right now. 

 

-Edit
After looking into the headaches people have had with the seller on newegg no way I'm buying from them. 

[WigglesTheHoly]

57 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Too be honest, any on-board overclocking is worthless.  You're much better off with manually setting it up.  On-board is notorious for running excessive voltage through chips in attempts to improve stability.

 

Agreed on the wifi, RGB crap.  Not needed by me either, but it just happens to come with the boards.  Seems like standard stuff for the top boards recently.  I have had on-board wifi come in handy from time to time, but definitely a convenience thing that is not needed. 

I"ve been running the onboard overclock tool that came in the bios on the asus p7p55d pro for 7 years now and it's been running like a champ. I'd say if it runs stable and gives me a bit of an extra boost of power I'm all for it, plus it doesn't consume alot of time. I work a regular enterprise IT job, do IT consulting on the side (a reasonable amount of website work thus why I'm up till 2 am most nights), and have the family to worry about. I'd say if I can dumbclock in 15 mins and be up and running I'm all for it. I know I can spend time running test after test with different voltages, I just don't have the time to lol. I used to have time for it but it seems lately I don't. 

 

 

This is the build I'm looking at now if I go with that board. I already have everything on the list I'm just purchasing ram, mobo, and powersupply. I went with a no frills ram setup, I figured the vengeance line over the dominator was fine for me, i'd rather keep the 40 bucks on that than get the led lights and what not. Cooling shouldn't be an issue with what I'm doing with it. 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

I"ve been running the onboard overclock tool that came in the bios on the asus p7p55d pro for 7 years now and it's been running like a champ. I'd say if it runs stable and gives me a bit of an extra boost of power I'm all for it, plus it doesn't consume alot of time. I work a regular enterprise IT job, do IT consulting on the side (a reasonable amount of website work thus why I'm up till 2 am most nights), and have the family to worry about. I'd say if I can dumbclock in 15 mins and be up and running I'm all for it. I know I can spend time running test after test with different voltages, I just don't have the time to lol. I used to have time for it but it seems lately I don't. 

 

Sounds like you have things well under control.  Good luck with the build and overclock.  Either platform should work well.

[WigglesTheHoly]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Sounds like you have things well under control.  Good luck with the build and overclock.  Either platform should work well.

I didn't mean any disrespect, I hate text it's very deceptive. I definitely appreciate the time you spent giving advice and answering questions. I hope that my previous post didn't come across like I was saying you were wrong and I was right blah blah blah e-penis. I might be reading your post with the wrong inflection (probably the wrong word) as well. Either way thank you again!

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

I didn't mean any disrespect, I hate text it's very deceptive. I definitely appreciate the time you spent giving advice and answering questions. I hope that my previous post didn't come across like I was saying you were wrong and I was right blah blah blah e-penis. I might be reading your post with the wrong inflection (probably the wrong word) as well. Either way thank you again!

 

None taken at all!  It literally sounds like you've got things well in hand.  I just didn't have much more to add along the way of auto overclocks as I don't use them.  I'm sure they work.  Either way, stability needs to be tested and that's the part that consumes time.

[WigglesTheHoly]

Bumping this to get opinions on the asus z170-WS vs the other z170 lines they have. It seems like the WS is a board alot of people are overlooking. I've searched this site and can't find a thing on it. 

[done12many2]

4 hours ago, WigglesTheHoly said:

Bumping this to get opinions on the asus z170-WS vs the other z170 lines they have. It seems like the WS is a board alot of people are overlooking. I've searched this site and can't find a thing on it. 

 

It looks to be packed with all the bells and whistles.  High overclocks aren't what you're shooting for so this fits the bill nicely.  It really does have a lot of stuff for it's price point.  

Didn't expect to see a PEX8746 on there.  Some z170 guys who need the lanes should look into this.

[WigglesTheHoly]

I couldn't find anything using the site search but I found a article on ltt using google. 

I keep looking at other boards thinking I don't need the z170-ws but then again, My interests do change and I'm looking to build another pc that will last me 7 years like my last one did. So I'm pulling the trigger and ordering within the next 5 mins. I would imagine hitting 4.5ghz overclock shouldn't be an issue even using the on board overclock, I clocked my 2.6 (pretty sure this is a 2.6, it's right around there anyway) i5 lynfield to 3.7 and above with the onboard asus oc tool with my last setup.