Broadwell-E, worth the wait?

[Redjo]

Hey is it really worth waiting for Broadwell-E series? Keep in mind that i sold my old PC and now using ''Stoneage'' laptop and i am unable to do anything, but to watch movies and videos.

 

Like my build was going to look like this, then i get really confused. I dont know if i should wait or buy the listed parts bellow. I will be using this PC for amateur editing, everyday things and gaming. Later one if 8GB is not enough i plan adding another 2x4 modules and 850W PSU definitely wont hurt for future upgrade possibilities. 

Here are the parts, just click the spoiler: 

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CPU: Intel i7-5820k                                                                    CPU: 375€                              
CPU Cooler: Kraken X61                                                           CPU Cooler: 130€                      
Mobo: MSI X99A SLI Plus                                                         Mobo: 215€                                                         
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 2x4GB DDR4-3200                                 RAM: 55€                          
GPU: Evga 980Ti Hybrid                                                            GPU: 690€                             
Case: NZXT H440 Red                                                              Case: 115€                                   
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250/500GB                                        SSD: 85/150€            
HDD: WD BLUE 1TB 7200rpm 64MB                                        HDD: 45€           
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA GQ 850W                                           PSU: 120€                          

 

Like so many ''Cool'' things coming up and i am not even sure if they are worth the waiting, because i am not sure if they will outperform the build i did a lot. 

•Lets take a look at the new Broadwell-E CPU's like are they really worth the waiting, because there are few questions in my mind and one of them is:

How much the ''brother'' of 5820k in next generation CPU's will outperform it and what are my real benefits from it, if we keep in mind the time between now and then. Like if the next generation CPU closest to 5820k by its price are par on performance or 10/15% is it worth? [For the things i plan doing with my PC] 

- source http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-e-specifications-leaked-core-i7-6950x-flagship-processor-10-cores-20-threads-core-i7-6900k-core-i7-6850k-core-i7-6800k-detailed/

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Please dont just ignore this POST every little or big help means incredibly much to me and i really appreciate it, Thank you all in advance! 

- Redjo 

[Spectrez]

6 minutes ago, Redjo said:

How much the ''brother'' of 5820k in next generation CPU's will outperform it and what are my real benefits from it, if we keep in mind the time between now and then. Like if the next generation CPU closest to by its price 5820k are par on performance or 10/15% is it worth? [For the things i plan doing with my PC] 

Impossible to say before the cpu is actually out, and by then hey its probaly worth it.

 

but if the trend is going to continue then its probably a 10% improvement in performance.

[Morgan MLGman]

The only thing 5820k relatively 'lacks' is single-threaded power, Broadwell-E should have it improved by around 10%, as well as a manufacturing process shrink. It should be worth it.
5820k generally offers better value than the 6700k, so if you're not very urgent with the purchase, buy a broadwell-e brother of a 5820k and you're golden imo

[Spectrez]

oh also, get 16 GB ram from the get go - its not worth buying 8gb's if you assume you'll be using more.

 

i had RAM issues with my machine when running windows 10 on only 8gb's of ram

 

[Redjo]

9 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The only thing 5820k relatively 'lacks' is single-threaded power, Broadwell-E should have it improved by around 10%, as well as a manufacturing process shrink. It should be worth it.
5820k generally offers better value than the 6700k, so if you're not very urgent with the purchase, buy a broadwell-e brother of a 5820k and you're golden imo

Do you have any idea when they will be in the market? 

 

7 minutes ago, Spectrez said:

oh also, get 16 GB ram from the get go - its not worth buying 8gb's if you assume you'll be using more.

 

i had RAM issues with my machine when running windows 10 on only 8gb's of ram

 

Hmm, will keep that in mind. By the way i plan using 8.1 PRO 

[Spectrez]

Just now, Redjo said:

Do you have any idea when they will be in the market? 

 

Hmm, will keep that in mind. By the way i plan using 8.1 PRO 

without knowing anything about Broadwell-E's supported operating systems, they might pull the same bs they did on skylake and force windows 10

[DunePilot]

Sometime around June. You can buy a board now since many are going on sale with rebates, there will be refreshers of new boards and the current ones will surely require a BIOS update to be (fully)compatible with the new chips. Personally I have a new board and 32GB of ram sitting on the shelf and am waiting. If the cheapest chip has 40 lanes then I might go with it. If the 10 core is $1000 I will go with it, if it's $1500 I will have to pass, if the cheapest doesn't have 40 lanes I will jump up to the first chip that does.

 

Goodluck.

[done12many2]

2 hours ago, Redjo said:

Hey is it really worth waiting for Broadwell-E series? Keep in mind that i sold my old PC and now using ''Stoneage'' laptop and i am unable to do anything, but to watch movies and videos.

 

Like my build was going to look like this, then i get really confused. I dont know if i should wait or buy the listed parts bellow. I will be using this PC for amateur editing, everyday things and gaming. Later one if 8GB is not enough i plan adding another 2x4 modules and 850W PSU definitely wont hurt for future upgrade possibilities. 

Here are the parts, just click the spoiler: 

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CPU: Intel i7-5820k                                                                    CPU: 375€                              
CPU Cooler: Kraken X61                                                           CPU Cooler: 130€                      
Mobo: MSI X99A SLI Plus                                                         Mobo: 215€                                                         
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 2x4GB DDR4-3200                                 RAM: 55€                          
GPU: Evga 980Ti Hybrid                                                            GPU: 690€                             
Case: NZXT H440 Red                                                              Case: 115€                                   
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250/500GB                                        SSD: 85/150€            
HDD: WD BLUE 1TB 7200rpm 64MB                                        HDD: 45€           
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA GQ 850W                                           PSU: 120€                          

 

Like so many ''Cool'' things coming up and i am not even sure if they are worth the waiting, because i am not sure if they will outperform the build i did a lot. 

•Lets take a look at the new Broadwell-E CPU's like are they really worth the waiting, because there are few questions in my mind and one of them is:

How much the ''brother'' of 5820k in next generation CPU's will outperform it and what are my real benefits from it, if we keep in mind the time between now and then. Like if the next generation CPU closest to 5820k by its price are par on performance or 10/15% is it worth? [For the things i plan doing with my PC] 

- source http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell-e-specifications-leaked-core-i7-6950x-flagship-processor-10-cores-20-threads-core-i7-6900k-core-i7-6850k-core-i7-6800k-detailed/

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Please dont just ignore this POST every little or big help means incredibly much to me and i really appreciate it, Thank you all in advance! 

- Redjo 

 

As a current x99 user, I plan to upgrade to Broadwell-E as soon as it's available.  The question "worth the wait" is completely relative and your justification either way is all that matters.  

 

There are exceptions to every rule, but generally speaking newer Intel processors are progressively better than the previous generation.  It's hard to tell what the price difference will be between the 5820k and the comparable upcoming 6800k at the time of release, but the price of the 5820k isn't going to just drop dramatically because of Broadwell-E.  Iif their prices are close, say approximately 25% or less, it may be worth going with the 6800k even if the performance increase is only approximately 10%.  You stated in your first post that you sold your last setup and you will more than likely sell your new setup one day.

 

On top of the CPU performance increase, Broadwell-E will more than likely have an improved IMC, which will improve memory performance.  Speaking of which, you mentioned starting with 8GB of RAM, which I do not recommend.  x99 is quad channel and you will not reap the benefits of quad channel with two 4GB sticks of RAM.  Start with 4 sticks regardless of which x99 CPU you choose. 

 

[Redjo]

12 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

As a current x99 user, I plan to upgrade to Broadwell-E as soon as it's available.  The question "worth the wait" is completely relative and your justification either way is all that matters.  

 

There are exceptions to every rule, but generally speaking newer Intel processors are progressively better than the previous generation.  It's hard to tell what the price difference will be between the 5820k and the comparable upcoming 6800k at the time of release, but the price of the 5820k isn't going to just drop dramatically because of Broadwell-E.  Iif their prices are close, say approximately 25% or less, it may be worth going with the 6800k even if the performance increase is only approximately 10%.  You stated in your first post that you sold your last setup and you will more than likely sell your new setup one day.

 

On top of the CPU performance increase, Broadwell-E will more than likely have an improved IMC, which will improve memory performance.  Speaking of which, you mentioned starting with 8GB of RAM, which I do not recommend.  x99 is quad channel and you will not reap the benefits of quad channel with two 4GB sticks of RAM.  Start with 4 sticks regardless of which x99 CPU you choose. 

 

Hey thanks for coming and posting your opinion i appreciate it alot. 

But why would you upgrade to Broadwell-E when you already have 5960x or even if you had 5820k, like what are your real benefits from it? Is it worth for you to give that extra money for lets say 10% when you already have something really good.

 

I dont know when 6800k come to market either, as i mentioned i am on 'STONEAGE' laptop at the moment and it is limited to watching videos or movies or normals tasks like web browsing etc. So i kinda dont want to wait for them for 10%, because i will lose the time between now and then.

 

Also what are my real benefits from quad channel, like will 2x4 limit me at the start? 

[done12many2]

59 minutes ago, Redjo said:

Hey thanks for coming and posting your opinion i appreciate it alot. 

But why would you upgrade to Broadwell-E when you already have 5960x or even if you had 5820k, like what are your real benefits from it? Is it worth for you to give that extra money for lets say 10% when you already have something really good.

 

I dont know when 6800k come to market either, as i mentioned i am on 'STONEAGE' laptop at the moment and it is limited to watching videos or movies or normals tasks like web browsing etc. So i kinda dont want to wait for them for 10%, because i will lose the time between now and then.

 

Also what are my real benefits from quad channel, like will 2x4 limit me at the start? 

I'm probably not the best person to be asking if something is worth it! 

 

In my case, yes it will be worth it going from a 5960x to a 6950x.  Increased IPC, better IMC, two more cores, and increased power efficiency are more than welcomed in my setup.  I overclock the piss out of my parts so I'm hoping that the 6950x will continue to OC like the 5960x.

 

Quad channel increases memory throughput substantially.  While this may have minimal impact on most games, some will benefit.  Rendering and encoding take advantage of increased throughput.  I suggest you do some research and determine if your type of productivity will benefit, but more than likely the answer will be yes.  Besides that, who builds a x99 platform and installs 8GB of RAM?  

 

The other issue with starting with 8GB of RAM as opposed to 16GB or more is the fact that you will not be using a matched set.  While you can go with 2 different sets of RAM, expect to face frequency and timing incompatibility issues when you install that second set.  If you plan on running DDR4 in quad channel faster than 2133-2666MHz, you want to avoid mixing two different sets of RAM even if they are the exact same model and speed.  Quad channel and dual channel sets are tested within their specific pairing in order to ensure that the 4 sticks work at their rated speed/timings in quad channel and that the 2 sticks work at their rated speeds/timings in dual channel.  You can't simply install a dual channel set and add another dual channel set later and expect it to work at its rated speed and timings.  Research x99 and quad channel memory issues.  You will find that the number one mistake people make is thinking they can simply add two more sticks at a later time.  As I stated, it will work, but there is a very high probability that it will not work at the rated speed/timings.

[Redjo]

18 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I'm probably not the best person to be asking if something is worth it! 

 

In my case, yes it will be worth it going from a 5960x to a 6950x.  Increased IPC, better IMC, two more cores, and increased power efficiency are more than welcomed in my setup.  I overclock the piss out of my parts so I'm hoping that the 6950x will continue to OC like the 5960x.

 

Thank you for the RAM help, now you changed my mind and definitely going for 16RAM. It is same thing anyways if i buy all at once now or later.

 

Will you sell your 5960x for 6950x, because if you save it will be waste of another 1000$ , unless you have tons of cash

[done12many2]

12 minutes ago, Redjo said:

Thank you for the RAM help, now you changed my mind and definitely going for 16RAM. It is same thing anyways if i buy all at once now or later.

 

Will you sell your 5960x for 6950x, because if you save it will be waste of another 1000$ , unless you have tons of cash

I have another Caselabs case that I really want to do a build with, but I don't know if I can justify having a 5960x and 6950x sitting next to each other just because I have an extra case.  On the other hand, I'd hate selling my 5960x because I got lucky with this chip considering that it overclocks so nicely.  I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

 

One thing is sure.  You're going to like x99 a lot.  Have fun with your decision making and good luck!

[Redjo]

3 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

I have another Caselabs case that I really want to do a build with, but I don't know if I can justify having a 5960x and 6950x sitting next to each other just because I have an extra case.  On the other hand, I'd hate selling my 5960x because I got lucky with this chip considering that it overclocks so nicely.  I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

 

One thing is sure.  You're going to like x99 a lot.  Have fun with your decision making and good luck!

''Have fun with your decision making'' hahaha Ya bro much fun That sound so wrong 

I rush 5820k / 980Ti Hybrid !!! <3 

 

You are so extreme tho Not a lot of people can afford 5960x /Asus x99 Deluxe/32Ram/2x980Ti.

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[done12many2]

Nice.  You'll love the EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid.  I've got two of them and they are fantastic.  I no longer use the Hybrid cooler because I installed EK water blocks on them and incorporated them into a custom loop, but the stock hybrid coolers work great!  You can swap fans out on the stock coolers as well.  While I'm not sure that it is the norm, both of my EVGA 980 Tis are 80+ ASIC GPUs so there is a potential of receiving a higher ASIC GPU.  I won't argue to whether or not it matters, but I prefer it.