Corsair VS Series

[Stuttgart]

Hi there,

 

i just finished my build last month ago, and was posting it proudly in a PC Builders forum on Facebook.

When i posted my specs all started hating on my power supply, which is "the worst of the worst" and will kill my parts like within 2 hours.

So i decided to join this forum - because i love watching ltt - to hopefully get some answers from people that do know more than a 14 year old gamer.

 

So guys - is the Corsair VS Series, especially the VS450 bad for my rig? Will it destroy my parts? This is my current build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XwCtwP

 

Thanks and sorry for my bad english.

[XCalinX]

Hey I am 14 too and have a custom loop

The wattage should be enough but it is the quality of the PSU that's bad. I strongly recommend getting something else. In that price range look at the Seasonic S12II 520W. I had one too.

[don_svetlio]

Corsair VS are indeed quite honestly crap. They are for office PCs and even then it's crap considering the price.

[Stuttgart]

Just now, XCalinX said:

Hey I am 14 too and have a custom loop

The wattage should be enough but it is the quality of the PSU that's bad. I strongly recommend getting something else. In that price range look at the Seasonic S12II 520W. I had one too.

Sorry - shouldn't be offensive. 

Its not against the age - its just about these: "its just bad, deal with it" comments that drive me crazy. I mean they can't even explain why its so bad...

 

Thanks, ill take a look at that one

[unidentical]

http://www.hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/4/#Actual-Specifications-and-Conclusions

 

actually not that bad from the looks of it, but I can't speak from any personal experience.

 

Side note, I have never heard of a bad Seasonic PSU, they make their own and are as far as I'm aware, always a safe bet.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, unidentical said:

http://www.hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/4/#Actual-Specifications-and-Conclusions

 

actually not that bad from the looks of it, but I can't speak from any personal experience.

Any site that lists "good looking" as a Pro is unreliable in my book. FSP Raider also looks good but kills GPUs with unstable voltage

[Stuttgart]

So how high are the chances that this thing will destroy the other parts? i mean COULD it actually happen?

[don_svetlio]

3 minutes ago, Stuttgart said:

Sorry - shouldn't be offensive. 

Its not against the age - its just about these: "its just bad, deal with it" comments that drive me crazy. I mean they can't even explain why its so bad...

 

Thanks, ill take a look at that one

Explanation is simple

Low quality chinese caps rated at 85*C resulting in poor electrical performance (voltage and ripple) as well as a very low 30*C temp tolerance - the average is 40*C for any half-decent PSU with good ones being rated at or above 50*C.

Couple that with the poor soldering usually associated with the 3rd grade PSUs such as this one which is the lowest of the low in CWT's  offerings then you have a poor product.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Stuttgart said:

So how high are the chances that this thing will destroy the other parts? i mean COULD it actually happen?

Yup. If your case heats up a bit it suddenly goes from a 400W PSU to a 200W PSU (assuming it's intaking 30*C air - which the GPU is responsible for). The protections in the VS series are quite honestly "lacking". I'd say the minimum PSU nowadays is the 50$ XFX 550W. It's a much better platform OEMed by SeaSonic

[JebKerman]

Just now, Stuttgart said:

So how high are the chances that this thing will destroy the other parts? i mean COULD it actually happen?

well since you use the word "could". Yes, however it's not really that likely to happen, and probably isn't in urgent need, but something to put on the to-do list and get around to at some point this year.

[Stuttgart]

Well - this is getting clearly right now.

I will change the PSU next month. I don't want to get my parts toasted just because of an budget PSU...

 

The SeaSonic PSU looks great and its affordable, but when im changing the PSU i want it to be modular at least. Also a 80+ Gold rating would be great.

 

What about the Be quiet! Pure Power CM BQT L8-CM-530W? 

[Bananasplit_00]

12 minutes ago, unidentical said:

http://www.hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/4/#Actual-Specifications-and-Conclusions

 

actually not that bad from the looks of it, but I can't speak from any personal experience.

 

Side note, I have never heard of a bad Seasonic PSU, they make their own and are as far as I'm aware, always a safe bet.

that article lists low quality capacitors, yah i dont think thats something i would trust running my PC

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Stuttgart said:

Well - this is getting clearly right now.

I will change the PSU next month. I don't want to get my parts toasted just because of an budget PSU...

 

The SeaSonic PSU looks great and its affordable, but when im changing the PSU i want it to be modular at least. Also a 80+ Gold rating would be great.

 

What about the Be quiet! Pure Power CM BQT L8-CM-530W? 

Don't buy into the 80+ marketing - it has nothing to do with actual quality. For instance, the Antec High Current Gamer rated at 80+ bronze is several times better than the Corsair CS rated at 80+ gold. Efficiency =/= quality

Go for a SeaSonic M12II EVO 520W

[unidentical]

7 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

Any site that lists "good looking" as a Pro is unreliable in my book. FSP Raider also looks good but kills GPUs with unstable voltage

So the second to last in a list of pros dominated by technical reasons, being that's it's designed attractively is a bad thing? That's a bit silly, no sir I want my psu to be purely functional. It should be outwardly hideous to signify this. 

 

Effort put in to styling is a pro. That's why no one makes beige computers anymore.

[Erwylh]

11 hours ago, Stuttgart said:

The SeaSonic PSU looks great and its affordable, but when im changing the PSU i want it to be modular at least. Also a 80+ Gold rating would be great.

The problem is, modularity and effiency are extra features. Modularity is important in mATX and ITX cases where you don't have space for cable management, but it can be pretty much useless in middletowers. The same goes with effiency in high wattage PCs or server computers that works 0-24 would cost a fortune in electricity. Gold or better certification may help saving money over time, however in basic builds you don't really notice the difference. 

 

They won't make a power supply better. Features like these aren't cheap and you will have to sacrifice stability if you want to stay in a certain budget. For example XFX XXX is one of the most stable PSUs out there with industrial protection and outstanding voltage regulation. Despite this it is only semi-modular and has only bronze certification.

 

So I recommend you to save up your pennies for a stable power supply without "extra" features. After that, feel free to buy modular golden power supply if you can afford. You can also buy lower wattage unit since your build hardly needs more than 200W, so you can save up more.

12 hours ago, Stuttgart said:

So guys - is the Corsair VS Series, especially the VS450 bad for my rig? Will it destroy my parts? This is my current build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/XwCtwP

Entry level product, I can't find reliable reviews so you have to be satisfied with this: it's not reliable until tested. The better CX also has bad reputation so we can draw the conclusions. Currently, low-end Corsair units (VS, CX, CS) are bad and should be avoided. Anyway, you can use it temporarily if you won't overclock anything.

 

12 hours ago, Stuttgart said:

What about the Be quiet! Pure Power CM BQT L8-CM-530W? 

Well, all I can say after watching reviews that I don't really like HEC oem but this product is "reasonable" and should be fine.

[Stuttgart]

Thank you for that detailed answer. I am really surprised how helpful you guys are on this forum.

 

9 minutes ago, Erwylh said:

 

Anyway, you can use it temporarily if you won't overclock anything.

 

 

 

Well - thats the point. 

I can't overclock the CPU because it is not unlocked, BUT i overclocked the 960 nearly to its limit. Is this a problem right now?

 

You are right about modularity, i don't really need it. 

So coming straight to the Point: My budget is 50-100€. What should i get? SeaSonic? Be Quiet? 

[Erwylh]

Well, the lack of correct ripple suppression and weak voltage regulation makes the capacitors in motherboard and videocard to do the job instead of the power supply. It means your GTX960 will produce more heat lowering its performance and lifespan. You should set your card to default instantly if you experience instability issues. As I said, I couldn't find reviews so I can't anticipate how bad it is, but I'm sure that you take some risks with overclocking.

 

1 hour ago, Stuttgart said:

My budget is 50-100€. What should i get? SeaSonic? Be Quiet? 

Don't shop by brand, always review the model. For example, you can Buy BQ Pure Power but Straight Power is obviously better. The same role applies to seasonic and every other manufacturer. Check the PSU tier list to get some clue what to buy and what to avoid.

[deWaardt]

I actually have a VS350 in my desktop right now, but my PC has nothing special and the world's crappiest graphics card, so for a PC like mine it's sufficient.
But I'm probaby upgrading when getting a new graphics card, as I was aware it wasn't that good quality since the second I bought it, but I got it for like 20 bucks and as a "temporary PSU" it works fine.

 

Does anybody know, would a GTX 750 ti work on this PSU?

Might migrate this PSU to another build that's getting a 750.

[Erwylh]

GTX750Ti is still a low-end gpu (relative). Still, PSUs are about stability so it works fine "temporarily" and you should keep in mind that it lacks of protection and correct filtering thus it negatively affects the lifespan of your components. I tell you the same thing: you can reduce the risks if you stay away from overclocking and maybe you won't experience any damage at all.

[deWaardt]

GTX750Ti is still a low-end gpu (relative). Still, PSUs are about stability so it works fine "temporarily" and you should keep in mind that it lacks of protection and correct filtering thus it negatively affects the lifespan of your components. I tell you the same thing: you can reduce the risks if you stay away from overclocking and maybe you won't experience any damage at all.

My main gaming rig is getting a proper new PSU, that's number one on my upgrade plan.

[Stuttgart]

I finally bought the SeaSonic M12 Evo 530. The price was great and the reviews were just fine.

 

thanks for the help