Panel types

[Moonunit707]

Can anyone please simplify the benefits and downsides of each type? I am looking at a few monitors and one is a VA panel, then next is IPS and the last is PLS. I'm familiar with IPS but not the other two. Any info is greatly appreciated!

[Altecice]

PLS/IPS = Better colour, wider viewing angle but higher response times.

VA = Colour not as good as PLS/IPS, picture colour distorts when viewing from side on but lower response times.

 

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Personally its PLS/IPS > VA for me. I would rather have the better colour and suffer the 4ms response  time increase, it makes 0 difference.

[don_svetlio]

If it's not PLS/IPS then it's not worth 2 shits.

[byalexandr]

If it's not PLS/IPS then it's not worth 2 shits.

Hey I like my VG248QE...

[don_svetlio]

Hey I like my VG248QE...

[byalexandr]

 

LOL

 

I can't even play on 60Hz anymore it looks laggy to me.

[don_svetlio]

LOL

 

I can't even play on 60Hz anymore it looks laggy to me.

 

 

Since there is no way to write the image to the second power

[byalexandr]

Since there is no way to write the image to the second power

Idk, when it switched to 60Hz it's really noticeable, I ask myself why it's so laggy and my friend is like 'What are you talking about?'... Don't get me started on those 30 FPS consoles, good lord...

[don_svetlio]

Idk, when it switched to 60Hz it's really noticeable, I ask myself why it's so laggy and my friend is like 'What are you talking about?'... Don't get me started on those 30 FPS consoles, good lord...

I find 30-40 perfectly playable, 50 feels smooth and 60 is just right for me

[byalexandr]

I find 30-40 perfectly playable, 50 feels smooth and 60 is just right for me

Dang, I can play on 60, but I find 80 and up way smoother. After 80 I can't tell the difference though. 30-40 for me is not ideal but I suppose I can play on it, just maybe.

[don_svetlio]

Dang, I can play on 60, but I find 80 and up way smoother. After 80 I can't tell the difference though. 30-40 for me is not ideal but I suppose I can play on it, just maybe.

I've grown up with 15fps on a Pentium III

30fps feels okay and 45-50 is great

[Hunched]

PLS/IPS = Better colour, wider viewing angle but higher response times.

VA = Colour not as good as PLS/IPS, picture colour distorts when viewing from side on but lower response times.

 

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Personally its PLS/IPS > VA for me. I would rather have the better colour and suffer the 4ms response  time increase, it makes 0 difference.

 

If it's not PLS/IPS then it's not worth 2 shits.

IPS/PLS/AHVA panels all can suffer from IPS glow/bleed, there isn't a single immune product line, it's a risk and a lottery.

Also, VA panels provide 4-5 times the contrast ratio of TN and IPS, it's a fact that blacks are best on VA type panels.

 

The main issue with VA type panels is worse viewing angles and slow transitions.

Viewing angles are not as detrimental as have parts of my screen destroyed by glow/bleed.

 

Every type has their weaknesses. There is no objective best, but there are things they do objectively better and worse than the others.

[Glenwing]

Just for clarification, IPS glow didn't exist before H-IPS, older panels like the S-IPS panels still used in the Apple Thunderbolt Display don't have IPS glow, and high-end H-IPS monitors used something called an A-TW polarizer which eliminated IPS glow. So not "all" IPS monitors have glow, although as a practical matter yes you won't be able to find modern IPS monitors without glow. Manufacturers have transitioned to cheaper technologies as IPS becomes more mainstream, and we're left with the IPS glow epidemic we have today

As for backlight bleed, it's an inherent problem with all LCDs, both IPS and VA can suffer from it.

On response time, VA panels have slower response time than IPS, not faster. VA being faster is outdated information, IPS response time has improved a lot since then, and VA hasn't moved as much and is now behind. Though, the fact that no one can tell is a testamate to how meaningless the number really is

On the topic of the IPS/PLS thing, they're the same. There are many variants of IPS, like S-IPS or H-IPS as mentioned above. PLS is just another one, the only difference is it doesn't have IPS in the name.

[Hunched]

Just for clarification, IPS glow didn't exist before H-IPS, older panels like the S-IPS panels still used in the Apple Thunderbolt Display don't have IPS glow, and high-end H-IPS monitors used something called an A-TW polarizer which eliminated IPS glow. So not "all" IPS monitors have glow, although as a practical matter yes you won't be able to find modern IPS monitors without glow. Manufacturers have transitioned to cheaper technologies as IPS becomes more mainstream, and we're left with the IPS glow epidemic we have today

As for backlight bleed, it's an inherent problem with all LCDs, both IPS and VA can suffer from it.

On response time, VA panels have slower response time than IPS, not faster. VA being faster is outdated information, IPS response time has improved a lot since then, and VA hasn't moved as much and is now behind. Though, the fact that no one can tell is a testamate to how meaningless the number really is

VA is much less likely to suffer from bleed, to the point it's pretty uncommon. VA is designed in a way that it lets the least light through, which combats bleed/glow and is why it has superior contrast vs IPS and TN.

 

VA panels do have slower response times, but with proper implementation of overdrive technologies it can get really close to a non-issue.

Here is an example of a VA that has faster transitions than its IPS competitors! https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/samsung-s34e790c/

It's not in the review, but on the recommended page it says

"In fact it’s faster than competing curved AH-IPS UltraWide models"

 

I'm being hopeful they can keep progressing and getting those numbers down. 

Slow transitions is the big problem with VA, which they've already improved to beating IPS in some models.

If they fix that, all you get is worse viewing angles than IPS, BUT you almost certainly don't get backlight bleed, and guaranteed get superior contrast ratio.