Bottleneck & Upgrade

[koji]

Hi. I am definitely noob when it comes to building a PC. But somewhat I've built my own by just searching in google for cheap and good parts.

 

I just want to know if there's a bottleneck happening with the one I built before. I want to learn more and maybe I can use this as reference since im planning to upgrade in the near future.

 

Here are my specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon II x3 455

Cooler: Deep Cool Gammax 200

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2

RAM: G-skill RipjawsX 2x4GB DDR3 1600

GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 2GB

PSU: Corsair VS450

Casing: Aerocool VS-3

 

I just wanna know if there's a bottleneck in my current specs and what upgrade I can do in future and how much it'll cost. Thanks in advance!

[Redfern]

Hi. I am definitely noob when it comes to building a PC. But somewhat I've built my own by just searching in google for cheap and good parts.

 

I just want to know if there's a bottleneck happening with the one I built before. I want to learn more and maybe I can use this as reference since im planning to upgrade in the near future.

 

Here are my specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon II x3 455

Cooler: Deep Cool Gammax 200

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2

RAM: G-skill RipjawsX 2x4GB DDR3 1600

GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 2GB

PSU: Corsair VS450

Casing: Aerocool VS-3

 

I just wanna know if there's a bottleneck in my current specs and what upgrade I can do in future and how much it'll cost. Thanks in advance!

 

There should be no bottlenecks here really

[LegacyStijncat]

Hi. I am definitely noob when it comes to building a PC. But somewhat I've built my own by just searching in google for cheap and good parts.

 

I just want to know if there's a bottleneck happening with the one I built before. I want to learn more and maybe I can use this as reference since im planning to upgrade in the near future.

 

Here are my specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon II x3 455

Cooler: Deep Cool Gammax 200

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2

RAM: G-skill RipjawsX 2x4GB DDR3 1600

GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 7750 2GB

PSU: Corsair VS450

Casing: Aerocool VS-3

 

I just wanna know if there's a bottleneck in my current specs and what upgrade I can do in future and how much it'll cost. Thanks in advance!

No real bottleneck here. However, there's a lot of room for upgrading if you want to get into more intensive gaming.

Every build is unique, and is custom fit to it's user and his needs. So what do you do with your computer?

[koji]

No real bottleneck here. However, there's a lot of room for upgrading if you want to get into more intensive gaming.

Every build is unique, and is custom fit to it's user and his needs. So what do you do with your computer?

As soon as I wake up I open my PC and sit all day.

 

I do play Dota2 and Dragon Nest. If a new game interests me I give it a go as long as my PC can handle it.

If I get bored from playing I do watch Anime.

 

In-case my PC doesnt need an upgrade that will be great since my piggy bank is getting small.

But if my PC needs to be upgraded I am willing to spend for it.

[LegacyStijncat]

As soon as I wake up I open my PC and sit all day.

 

I do play Dota2 and Dragon Nest. If a new game interests me I give it a go as long as my PC can handle it.

If I get bored from playing I do watch Anime.

 

In-case my PC doesnt need an upgrade that will be great since my piggy bank is getting small.

But if my PC needs to be upgraded I am willing to spend for it.

(If you like Dragon Nest, try Mabinogi, same publisher and more solid imo #OffTopic)

But I digress.

If those two genres are your stuff (MOBA and MMORPG), you'll be fine with your current build.

But if you want to begin stuff like GTA V, Fallout 4, Guild Wars etc, you may want to upgrade later on if you want better graphical settings or framerates.

 

Side note:

Since I just realised you thought it was a bottleneck, that means you are confusing two things.

A bottleneck occurs if one component is holding back the other. For example, if your processor was a 1 core running at 1GHz (something that's so old that it doesn't or shouldn't exist anymore) while you have a 1000€ Titan X graphics card, than you would still get shitty framerates. Since your processor would be holding back the graphics card.

Basically, it's like asking a sportscar to drive at the same pace as a tricycle

 

What I presume that you think a bottleneck is, is that if your system is too weak for what you want it to handle. That's just a... well, weak system

[koji]

(If you like Dragon Nest, try Mabinogi, same publisher and more solid imo #OffTopic)

But I digress.

If those two genres are your stuff (MOBA and MMORPG), you'll be fine with your current build.

But if you want to begin stuff like GTA V, Fallout 4, Guild Wars etc, you may want to upgrade later on if you want better graphical settings or framerates.

 

Side note:

Since I just realised you thought it was a bottleneck, that means you are confusing two things.

A bottleneck occurs if one component is holding back the other. For example, if your processor was a 1 core running at 1GHz (something that's so old that it doesn't or shouldn't exist anymore) while you have a 1000€ Titan X graphics card, than you would still get shitty framerates. Since your processor would be holding back the graphics card.

Basically, it's like asking a sportscar to drive at the same pace as a tricycle

 

What I presume that you think a bottleneck is, is that if your system is too weak for what you want it to handle. That's just a... well, weak system

How much would I need to upgrade for games like GTA V, Fallout4, etc? And what are the parts that I will need?

I am looking for value parts since I want to get the most that I can for the money. Hehe.

 

Btw thanks for replying. It helps a lot for me. I want to learn more.

[LegacyStijncat]

How much would I need to upgrade for games like GTA V, Fallout4, etc? And what are the parts that I will need?

I am looking for value parts since I want to get the most that I can for the money. Hehe.

 

Btw thanks for replying. It helps a lot for me. I want to learn more.

No problem, and welcome to the PC Master Race!

 

There's a few factors to consider here.

• Graphics card (subforum).

  A gtx 960 (200 USD), as well as a Titan X (1000 USD) can run GTA V. But as you can guess, there's a difference.

  A GTX 960 should be able to handle high or very high settings at 1080p. But a Titan X can run it on 1440p very high.

  So it comes down to what you want. You can check some benchmarks of your current GPU, and see if it can handle what you want. If it doesn't, or you feel like upgrading, you need to know for yourself what resolution and what graphical settings you want, as well as what games. You can look at some benchmarks to see what's the best.

   

• Processor (subforum).

  You may want to go to my CPU guide to learn a thing (almost anything you need to know) about processors (link in my signature).

  What you currently have may be okay, I would reocmmend to look at some benchmarks and see how it performs in the game you would like to play.

  Keep in mind that upgrading a processor may mean RAM and Motherboard upgrade too.

   

• Power Supply (subforum) (a swell guide)

  You don't need to upgrade your power supply. But if you are going to be handling some more heavy stuff like overclocking and/or SLI/Crossfire (multiple graphics cards working together), you want the best stability you can get.

   

• Case (subforum ^{(the same as power supplies)})

  Make sure your case fits your graphics card. Some are longer than others, etc.

This should answer most of your questions. You can also ask for help in the new builds subforum, or come back to me. Or do both (use @Stijncat to tag me if you make a thread in the new builds though!)

[koji]

No problem, and welcome to the PC Master Race!

 

There's a few factors to consider here.

• Graphics card (subforum).

  A gtx 960 (200 USD), as well as a Titan X (1000 USD) can run GTA V. But as you can guess, there's a difference.

  A GTX 960 should be able to handle high or very high settings at 1080p. But a Titan X can run it on 1440p very high.

  So it comes down to what you want. You can check some benchmarks of your current GPU, and see if it can handle what you want. If it doesn't, or you feel like upgrading, you need to know for yourself what resolution and what graphical settings you want, as well as what games. You can look at some benchmarks to see what's the best.

   

• Processor (subforum).

  You may want to go to my CPU guide to learn a thing (almost anything you need to know) about processors (link in my signature).

  What you currently have may be okay, I would reocmmend to look at some benchmarks and see how it performs in the game you would like to play.

  Keep in mind that upgrading a processor may mean RAM and Motherboard upgrade too.

   

• Power Supply (subforum) (a swell guide)

  You don't need to upgrade your power supply. But if you are going to be handling some more heavy stuff like overclocking and/or SLI/Crossfire (multiple graphics cards working together), you want the best stability you can get.

   

• Case (subforum ^{(the same as power supplies)})

  Make sure your case fits your graphics card. Some are longer than others, etc.

This should answer most of your questions. You can also ask for help in the new builds subforum, or come back to me. Or do both (use @Stijncat to tag me if you make a thread in the new builds though!)

 

So it would be fine if I just purchase new GPU and other components will be fine?

 

Btw.. I am using an old 17" LG Monitor before. But 2 weeks ago I bought new Monitor. ASUS VC239.

When I tried playing dota2 @1080p somehow it causes few lags. Now im playing dota2 w/o full screen at 1600x900.

 

Is it because my GPU is bad? I reviewed many parts last December 2013. I tried to look for good value GPU and I ended up with HD 7750.

 

Edit:

I've read your review it was nice and I learned a lot of things. Next time i'll try to get Intel cpu. Hehe. Indeed AMD is budget friendly.

Im looking at r9 380. Do you think it's good for me to purchase it for my pc?

[LegacyStijncat]

So it would be fine if I just purchase new GPU and other components will be fine?

 

Btw.. I am using an old 17" LG Monitor before. But 2 weeks ago I bought new Monitor. ASUS VC239.

When I tried playing dota2 @ 1080p somehow it causes few lags. Now im playing dota2 w/o full screen at 1600x900.

 

Is it because my GPU is bad? I reviewed many parts last December 2013. I tried to look for good value GPU and I ended up with HD 7750.

 

Edit:

I've read your review it was nice and I learned a lot of things. Next time i'll try to get Intel cpu. Hehe. Indeed AMD is budget friendly.

Im looking at r9 380. Do you think it's good for me to purchase it for my pc?

First of all, AMD isn't bad.

AMD shines at things where more than 8 cores are useable, in stuff like rendering. Yet, because of a low IPC they don't function as well as Intel for gaming in the price range.

 

Second, the 'lags' you are talking about is you confusing two things again (it's not being dumb, don't worry. It happens to me oftenly too)

Lag is when your internet connection causes you to not getting realtime information anymore. High ping, or high ping peaks (sudden increase of ping) is an example of lag. (Ping is the amount of milliseconds it takes for the server to get the information to you).

Lag can only be caused by anything involved with internet. The server, your internet service provider, ethernet port etc.

 

What I guess you mean is bad framerate or framerate drops. A bad framerate is usually defined in the pc world as when you don't reach the standard of 60 FPS, aka Frames Per Second. Framerate drops is when you suddenly lose a lot of FPS, causing stuttering.

 

Framerate drops look a lot like lag to, so it's important to know where the issue lies. Look at your ping and FPS to know what is peaking or dropping. (Keep in mind that Ping drops and FPS peaks aren't bad, yet Ping peaks and FPS drops are bad. It's complicated )

 

If it is indeed framerate problems and only caused by adjusting graphical settings (this includes resolution), than it is 90% sure that it's your GPU, unless it's some frankenstein game.

 

On the R9 380, it may be a good choice for you. I would however ask in the New Builds / Graphics Cards subforum to make sure that nobody notices a possible bottleneck.

[koji]

First of all, AMD isn't bad.

AMD shines at things where more than 8 cores are useable, in stuff like rendering. Yet, because of a low IPC they don't function as well as Intel for gaming in the price range.

 

Second, the 'lags' you are talking about is you confusing two things again (it's not being dumb, don't worry. It happens to me oftenly too)

Lag is when your internet connection causes you to not getting realtime information anymore. High ping, or high ping peaks (sudden increase of ping) is an example of lag. (Ping is the amount of milliseconds it takes for the server to get the information to you).

Lag can only be caused by anything involved with internet. The server, your internet service provider, ethernet port etc.

 

What I guess you mean is bad framerate or framerate drops. A bad framerate is usually defined in the pc world as when you don't reach the standard of 60 FPS, aka Frames Per Second. Framerate drops is when you suddenly lose a lot of FPS, causing stuttering.

 

Framerate drops look a lot like lag to, so it's important to know where the issue lies. Look at your ping and FPS to know what is peaking or dropping. (Keep in mind that Ping drops and FPS peaks aren't bad, yet Ping peaks and FPS drops are bad. It's complicated )

 

If it is indeed framerate problems and only caused by adjusting graphical settings (this includes resolution), than it is 90% sure that it's your GPU, unless it's some frankenstein game.

 

On the R9 380, it may be a good choice for you. I would however ask in the New Builds / Graphics Cards subforum to make sure that nobody notices a possible bottleneck.

 

Thanks a lot dude! I learned something again. I already posted in Graphics Card Subforum. If there's no bottleneck, I'll purchase a new GPU right away.