PS4 VS.PC

[Diljot]

I've seen many places that show the Nvidia gtx 7800 running games better today, is this false?

[Vitalius]

i call this bullshit.. hardwarewise its more like a 560Ti / 7750 but with the optimizations its getting close to a 7850/660Ti.. but it has to be mentioned: the PS4 CAN NOT be overclocked from stock (i guess some guys will figure out how to OC thier PS4 lol)

Well, you sir do not know what you are talking about.

• The PS4 has more GPU cores than a 7850 but less than a 7870.
• It has 1.84 TFLOPS of power which is roughly equivalent to said GPUs.
• It has 8GB of GDDR5 memory, and it has a boost clock of 2.3GHz (from 1.6GHz), which is very low compared to most CPU/APUs but remember, it is a console. It does not need the level of clock speed PCs do thanks to optimizations.

So yes, it is a 7850/7870 roughly based purely on hardware specs and computing power without optimizations. 

[Vitalius]

No. Because you're running a certain set of hardware and software(two main competitors in the console market). While PCs run various OSes, CPUs, GPUs, etc.

Incorrect. It depends on the type of optimizations. PCs will definitely benefit. Such optimizations are primarily focused on architecture/structure, which are independent of OSs. The Hardware in consoles is effectively slightly altered hardware from a PC. However, the optimizations would translate relatively well imo.

[Godlygamer23]

However, the optimizations would translate relatively well imo.

Not necessarily. Consoles are also the majority of the market share. Most of the optimizations are going towards the consoles. Not the PCs. Yes, they are running identical hardware, but it's not the same hardware. There are variations such as drivers. The environments are not the same.

[blitz7287]

Tell me one person that have PS4 but have no PC (Kids not included). The cost of having both of them are about equal.

 

Im getting a ps4 so im gonna have both, but my pc is a hell of a lot more expensive than my ps4 is costing. I've spent around £900 on my pc so far, whereas im spending £314 (£350 but with staff discount) buying my ps4.

[Radec]

Always remember... Going console means no steam summer sale.

[Lays]

Console games run way better with the same specs on a PC - they were made just for those specifications and thus get better frame rates, they're "coded" that way. - with PC's everyone has a slightly different one, which leads to a performance drop overall.

 

Also I believe the settings on a console are "lower" than the lowest settings on a PC, ( I tested it with the 360 on bf3/black ops 2, the lowest settings on my pc were so much better than the 360's settings) Idk if this will be true for future games, but yea.

[Master Meow]

One of the downsides to PC gaming is that it is more costly than console gaming

Not once you start buying games.

[Lays]

@Calavera

 

@everyone-else

 

At the end of the day though, the amount of things you can do on a PC for the same price is astronomical compared to a console, and in a few years I'm sure we'll have much better hardware for the same or less cost anyways.

[Vitalius]

Not necessarily. Consoles are also the majority of the market share. Most of the optimizations are going towards the consoles. Not the PCs. Yes, they are running identical hardware, but it's not the same hardware. There are variations such as drivers. The environments are not the same.

 

Irrelevant. The optimizations that the Planetside 2 developers were talking about had nothing to do with drivers. They were game engine level optimizations which mean they applied to all systems. 

 

@Calavera

 

@everyone-else

 

At the end of the day though, the amount of things you can do on a PC for the same price is astronomical compared to a console, and in a few years I'm sure we'll have much better hardware for the same or less cost anyways.

Yes, and by that time, the PS4 will be discounted enough that it is still relevant. 

[Lays]

Irrelevant. The optimizations that the Planetside 2 developers were talking about had nothing to do with drivers. They were game engine level optimizations which mean they applied to all systems. 

 

Yes, and by that time, the PS4 will be discounted enough that it is still relevant. 

 

 

Idk, personally I liked having my 360, but once I got a PC it was no comparison (obviously being what I bought) 360 gave me headaches in some of the more "graphically demanding" games, bf3's lighting on 360 was horrible i couldn't play for more than 10minutes or I got a headache lol

 

After getting my pc though, being able to do multiple things at once instead of just playing a game was so much nicer, and gives a better experience overall.  I hope the PC market grows more and the PC games get bigger communities.

 

I also hope these forums continue to grow so we can spread the word about the great PC building/ enthusiast community! :D

[Godlygamer23]

Irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant. Drivers can also increase/decrease performance. The consoles may have specific drivers that have been heavily optimized(and will be optimized) for all their titles. Besides, that's one title. One title does not equate every title.

[JupiteL]

Im getting a ps4 so im gonna have both, but my pc is a hell of a lot more expensive than my ps4 is costing. I've spent around £900 on my pc so far, whereas im spending £314 (£350 but with staff discount) buying my ps4.

Let's say it's $400, and some people will spend probably $300~$500 for pc. But console is going to be the best choice for the price, agreed with the expensiveness of pc

[Vitalius]

It is not irrelevant. Drivers can also increase/decrease performance. The consoles may have specific drivers that have been heavily optimized(and will be optimized) for all their titles.

Yes, and while that is true about drivers' affect on performance, those are not the type of optimizations I am talking about at all.

For example:

The Planetside 2 developers are optimizing the game for the PS4 by taking the game engine's workload (which currently runs on one single, massive, thread on PCs which is why it is so CPU dependent) and are splitting up the workload over multiple threads so that the PS4 can handle and run the game better.

That will directly translate into better performance for the PC as well. The thing that bottlenecks Planetside 2 on PCs is the CPU because of how the game engine currently runs. The optimizations for the console will directly and massively help PC gamers.

That is just one example. I do not know if all games will be similarly optimized, but my point is that the optimizations have little to do with drivers and more to do with the game engines, at least based on how Planetside 2 is doing it.

 

 

Let's say it's $400, and some people will spend probably $300~$500 for pc. But console is going to be the best choice for the price, agreed with the expensiveness of pc

Yes, exactly this. In the short term (2-3 years), consoles are the better value. In the long term (4+ years), PCs are the better value. And it stays that way throughout a consoles entire lifespan simply because of price cuts/discounts.