Jump to content

Price/Performance Graphs for Electronics

Lukiose
By Lukiose
in General Discussion
 Share
Posted

Sorry for the fairly useless(?) thread  :P

Just educated someone on why they should never get a macbook or any Apple computer for that manner and drawn up a couple of graphs which i felt compelled to share.

 

983340_10201585594112110_964477267_n.jpg

1081037_10201585560911280_318952216_n.jp

 

Any tips to improve my graph / tweak the gradient?

Share your opinions on this matter as well, i wanna see the viewpoints of Apple users to be honest, take this as a discussion thread on why/why not go Apple.

No flaming please!

Credits to:

AroundWayOtherThe: Your second graph should probably spike upward around $2500. Apple does make good products, just at a very hefty premium.

Update 1: Apple graph tweaked, the Mac Pro does boast fairly powerful hardware! (Which i failed to realise) Albeit at a hefty premium.

Update 2: General graph tweaked to give a more accurate performance scale relative to the other graph.

Link to comment
https://linustechtips.com/topic/43020-priceperformance-graphs-for-electronics/
Share on other sites
Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Sorry for the fairly useless(?) thread  :P

Just educated someone on why they should never get a macbook or any Apple computer for that manner and drawn up a couple of graphs which i felt compelled to share.

 

Any tips to improve my graph / tweak the gradient?

Share your opinions on this matter as well, i wanna see the viewpoints of Apple users to be honest, take this as a discussion thread on why/why not go Apple.

No flaming please!

 

This is just bullsh*t and fyi I reported this thread, as you are clearly just here to flame ;)

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author

Not sure how that relates to anything of discussion in this thread or complies with the 'no flaming' part but let us ignore that. I'm indeed interested in some civilized Apple vs Others discussion which have frankly been lacking - the majority blows out into an uncontrollable flame war.

The first post(mine) shall be the kicker and it symbolises my opinion on the subject of discussion. Carry on please & ignore the anomaly peeps :/

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Sure mac may not be the best specs you can get for the price but I can guarantee that macs are the most reliable platform. Just my opinion. The build quality on those things are incredibly nice.

| i7 4790k | H100i | 16GB (8x2) Corsair Vengence | EVGA GTX 780 SC | ASUS Z97 Sabertooth Mark I | Samsung 840 120GB | WD 2TB Green x2 | Rosewill Hive 750W | 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

So long as it is kept civil and a mature debate on Apple vs Other products then it will be fine. If (when) it turns in a slogging and brow beating match it will be shut down.

Your statements in the OP are pretty bold and several people, including myself, have reservations about what you say. So long as people stick on topic it will stay open. Simple as.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Long story short, give me money you spend on new Apple Mac and I will build you a better PC at same or lower price point.

 

Unless you need mobility. But when you need mobility for work you are looking for best of the best and Apple 'best of the best' costs multiple of 'best of the best' of Windows/Linux based laptops. And when you need mobility for gaming Macs can barely play any games.

 

And that's basically it.

So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

CPU: Phenom II x6 1045t ][ GPU: GeForce 9600GT 512mb DDR3 ][ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ][ RAM: 2x4GB Kingston 1333MHz CL9 DDR3 ][ HDD: Western Digital Green 2TB ][ PSU: Chieftec 500AB A ][ Case: No-name without airflow or dust filters Budget saved for an upgrade so far: 2400PLN (600€) - Initial 2800PLN (700€) - Upgraded already: CPU

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author

Long story short, give me money you spend on new Apple Mac and I will build you a better PC at same or lower price point.

 

Unless you need mobility. But when you need mobility for work you are looking for best of the best and Apple 'best of the best' costs multiple of 'best of the best' of Windows/Linux based laptops. And when you need mobility for gaming Macs can barely play any games.

 

And that's basically it.

Hmm, but aren't there custom workstation laptops out there that boast monster hardware @ a lower price point?(Dell has some i think) That's what i've been wondering

 

So long as it is kept civil and a mature debate on Apple vs Other products then it will be fine. If (when) it turns in a slogging and brow beating match it will be shut down.

Your statements in the OP are pretty bold and several people, including myself, have reservations about what you say. So long as people stick on topic it will stay open. Simple as.

Noted, that's why i'm interested to see what others have on this topic in particular, whilst i see no compelling force towards grabbing an Apple over any other product, i do acknowledge that others have varying viewpoints and i hope they would come forward and share why.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Long story short, give me money you spend on new Apple Mac and I will build you a better PC at same or lower price point.

 

Unless you need mobility. But when you need mobility for work you are looking for best of the best and Apple 'best of the best' costs multiple of 'best of the best' of Windows/Linux based laptops. And when you need mobility for gaming Macs can barely play any games.

 

And that's basically it.

 

Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!

 

Let's go!

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Sure mac may not be the best specs you can get for the price but I can guarantee that macs are the most reliable platform. Just my opinion. The build quality on those things are incredibly nice.

The build quality is good, but what do you mean reliable? (Compared to other platforms).

 

(Something you can guarantee is not an opinion).

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!

 

Let's go!

How much do those macs cost?

 

And provide exact model ID so i can look up what they have inside exactly.

So... If Jesus had the gold, would he buy himself out instead of waiting 3 days for the respawn?

CPU: Phenom II x6 1045t ][ GPU: GeForce 9600GT 512mb DDR3 ][ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ][ RAM: 2x4GB Kingston 1333MHz CL9 DDR3 ][ HDD: Western Digital Green 2TB ][ PSU: Chieftec 500AB A ][ Case: No-name without airflow or dust filters Budget saved for an upgrade so far: 2400PLN (600€) - Initial 2800PLN (700€) - Upgraded already: CPU

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!

 

Let's go!

Why all in ones? What about a mini itx system with a 27" IPS 1440p touchscreen?

Like he said for mobility, Mac shines.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

How much do those macs cost?

 

And provide exact model ID so i can look up what they have inside exactly.

 

Just find the cheapest you can find with the given criteria ;)

 

 

Why all in ones? What about a mini itx system with a 27" IPS 1440p touchscreen?

Like he said for mobility, Mac shines.

Because Apple doesn't build mini itx systems, but other computer brands offer All-In Ones.

Also people buy an iMac because they want all hardware in one case.

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Hmm, but aren't there custom workstation laptops out there that boast monster hardware @ a lower price point?(Dell has some i think) That's what i've been wondering

Oh you mean the Precision M4700? That's sitting on the desk right across from me?

Which is twice the size and signficantly more heavier than a comparable macbook pro?

And which also btw costs more if you configure them somewhat equal?

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted
  • Author

Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!

 

Let's go!

The Dell XPS One outperforms/equals the All-in-one iMac at the same price point, with it's only drawback being the non-IPS panel.

http://zenbook.asus.com/zenbook/

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

The build quality is good, but what do you mean reliable? (Compared to other platforms).

 

(Something you can guarantee is not an opinion).

Although I personally think and guarantee it's the most reliable os, that still makes it an opinion. In the countless times I've used a mac I've never encountered a crash. However, on windows I've had it crash on me numerous time. Don't get me wrong, I love windows. In fact, its my operating system of choice. I just believe that ios is more reliable, especially when you're doing something important.

| i7 4790k | H100i | 16GB (8x2) Corsair Vengence | EVGA GTX 780 SC | ASUS Z97 Sabertooth Mark I | Samsung 840 120GB | WD 2TB Green x2 | Rosewill Hive 750W | 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Just find the cheapest you can find with the given criteria ;)

 

 

Because Apple doesn't build mini itx systems, but other computer brands offer All-In Ones.

Also people buy an iMac because they want all hardware in one case.

Really? How many people actually want their hardware in one object and don't just buy it because it looks cool or it has an apple logo on it?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

The Dell XPS One outperforms/equals the All-in-one iMac at the same price point, with it's only drawback being the non-IPS panel.

http://zenbook.asus.com/zenbook/

No It does not and it is NOT cheaper!

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Really? How many people actually want their hardware in one object and don't just buy it because it looks cool or it has an apple logo on it?

lol, people certainely (also) buy it for its looks?!

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Although I personally think and guarantee it's the most reliable os, that still makes it an opinion. In the countless times I've used a mac I've never encountered a crash. However, on windows I've had it crash on me numerous time. Don't get me wrong, I love windows. In fact, its my operating of choice. I just believe that ios is more reliable especially when your doing something important.

You should check the definition of guarantee on google or something. For me, windows didn't crash... at all. From my experience ios isn't "the most reliable" compared to windows. So yeah, can you still "guarantee" it?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Stats? Charts? Give me something to work with here.

 

As I already said. No more specifics, just the following criteria:

'Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!'

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

As I already said. No more specifics, just the following criteria:

'Ok, then show me an All-In-One like the iMac with a Desktop-Quadcore and 27" IPS 1440p monitor!

Or, show me a ~2kg Notebook with QC, dedicated Graphics and sRGB Display >=1920x1080 AND solid Build quality AND >6h battery!'

Why would I follow your criteria? Give me a good reason. Why not build an mini itx system and get an IPS monitor? What's so great about all in ones?

About the notebook, like the guy said before, in mobility, Mac shines.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

You should check the definition of guarantee on google or something. For me, windows didn't crash... at all. From my experience ios isn't "the most reliable" compared to windows. So yeah, can you still "guarantee" it?

Okay, regardless if I used the word correctly or not I was just trying to get my opinion out there. You are entitled to your opinion about windows and I respect that.

| i7 4790k | H100i | 16GB (8x2) Corsair Vengence | EVGA GTX 780 SC | ASUS Z97 Sabertooth Mark I | Samsung 840 120GB | WD 2TB Green x2 | Rosewill Hive 750W | 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted

Why would I follow your criteria? Give me a good reason. Why not build an mini itx system and get an IPS monitor? What's so great about all in ones?

1) Because you can't

2) Because people buy iMacs for the fact that they are (at least in the buyers eyes) good looking All-In-Ones and not for performance/price.

 

----

 

If you don't see the difference between an AIO that's smaller than many 27" monitors, with only one power cable connected and a mini+itx system with at least 3 cables, I might no be able to help you. But anyway, why mini-ITX and no Full Tower?

Mini-Desktop: NCASE M1 Build Log
Mini-Server: M350 Build Log

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing General Discussion

×